rhino 0 #1 February 24, 2005 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/23/eveningnews/main676101.shtml As it should be.. The arm chair quarterback folks can sit down and ZIP IT!! Case closed!@!@ Semper Fi! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #2 February 24, 2005 "Case closed" As well it should beI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #3 February 24, 2005 too many people look at that incident with out considering the context that it took place in. War is not pretty and an enemy playing possum can cause a lot of damage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #4 February 24, 2005 its only a war crime if it happens to the good guysLife is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
white_falcon 0 #5 February 24, 2005 I am starting to think that Canada never did "cede" from France. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #6 February 24, 2005 ...Waiting for the bunny hugging liberals to start whining... EDIT: The same liberals who would cheer the insurgent for killing the Marine. People like that make me want to vomit. GET THE FUCKING JOURNALISTS OUT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 February 24, 2005 > I am starting to think that Canada never did "cede" from France. Enough of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #8 February 24, 2005 Quoteits only a war crime if it happens to the good guys Just like when Iraqi insurgents shot up an entire busload of unarmed Iraqi National Guard Trainees... what ever happened with that investigation? Oh yeah, there wasn't one... Well, how about the torture and rape of Pfc Jessica Lynch? How many Iraqi suspects have been charged in that investigation? None. I wonder if Iraq has bleeding heart liberals that ensure their interrogation techniques aren't too harsh... probably not, since they were all executed and thrown into mass graves years ago... JeffShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #9 February 24, 2005 >Well, how about the torture and rape of Pfc Jessica Lynch? ?? She wasn't raped. No semen, no physical evidence, and she has no memory of any rape. You've been watching FOX News a little too much, I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #10 February 24, 2005 Quote> I am starting to think that Canada never did "cede" from France. Enough of that. To about half of Canada that's a compliment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #11 February 24, 2005 Quote?? She wasn't raped. No semen, no physical evidence, and she has no memory of any rape. You've been watching FOX News a little too much, I think. Did FOX say she was raped? I don't remember that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #12 February 24, 2005 >Did FOX say she was raped? I don't remember that one. From a FOX News special report: ----- The American public was first alerted to the intensity under which women were serving with the news of Jessica Lynch (search), Lori Piestewa and Shoshana Johnson, three female soldiers who were captured by enemy forces when their convoy was ambushed in March. Lynch and Johnson, both severely wounded, were eventually rescued and made it home; Piestewa died after the attack. Further news reports indicate women are returning with wounds similar to their male counterparts, including lost limbs from mortar attacks and suicide bombings. Others have conditions unique to their sex — unplanned pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and sexual trauma, resulting from assault. ------ No suprise that FOX viewers have such impressions about the war. In a recent poll, FOX viewers were more likely than viewers of any other network to have misconceptions about the war (i.e. the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, the WMD caches have been found etc.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #13 February 24, 2005 QuoteFrom a FOX News special report: ----- The American public was first alerted to the intensity under which women were serving with the news of Jessica Lynch (search), Lori Piestewa and Shoshana Johnson, three female soldiers who were captured by enemy forces when their convoy was ambushed in March. Lynch and Johnson, both severely wounded, were eventually rescued and made it home; Piestewa died after the attack. Further news reports indicate women (inserted by me: “generally speaking”) are returning with wounds similar to their male counterparts, including lost limbs from mortar attacks and suicide bombings. Others have conditions unique to their sex — unplanned pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and sexual trauma, resulting from assault. ------ Ok, the first paragraph is speaking specifically about the women involved in the attack where Lynch was taken as a POW in an attempt to describe the conditions under which women have to endure in the war in Iraq. The second paragraph is speaking generally about the different kinds of injuries or physical conditions that women are coming back from the war in Iraq with. Nowhere in there does it mention or even allude to Jessica Lynch being raped or even having symptoms of rape. Quote No suprise that FOX viewers have such impressions about the war. In a recent poll, FOX viewers were more likely than viewers of any other network to have misconceptions about the war (i.e. the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, the WMD caches have been found etc.) As with many other topics we’ve discussed, Bill, it’s all in the details and context. I know that’s a real pain in the ass but that’s just the way it is. From your comments, it appears that there are many misconceptions on both sides of the fence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #14 February 24, 2005 Did you post the right link? There is nothing in that one about her being raped? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #15 February 24, 2005 >Nowhere in there does it mention or even allude to Jessica Lynch >being raped or even having symptoms of rape. Correct. It just mentions Jessica Lynch being injured in Iraq, then describes how injured women are coming back after being sexually assaulted in Iraq (implication - by Iraqis.) Similarly, FOX would mention that they had solid evidence that Iraq was involved in supporting terrorists; terrorists pulled off the 9/11 hijackings. It is because of clever tricks like this that FOX is so popular among conservatives, and also why FOX viewers end up so misinformed - you have to read very carefully to see through their spin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #16 February 25, 2005 Quote>Well, how about the torture and rape of Pfc Jessica Lynch? ?? She wasn't raped. No semen, no physical evidence, and she has no memory of any rape. You've been watching FOX News a little too much, I think. Not only that but she denounced the entire "rescue" saying it was grandstanded for pub. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites craddock 0 #17 February 25, 2005 No Bill, I need you to spin it for me. Until you explain what they are trying to spin, I wouldn't have thought to combine the seperate paragraphs to come to your conclusion. Dunno- mabey the conservatives are just smarter. Fox should dumb down their coverage for thr liberals That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #18 February 25, 2005 Their isn't a doubt in my mind that Jessica Lynch was raped REPEATEDLY... Not a single solitary doubt... She will never admit it.... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #19 February 25, 2005 Quoteits only a war crime if it happens to the good guys Why is that some folks think that just because the prickbag who is shooting at you all day suddenly runs out of ammunition he should be treated more fairly than those who still have ammunition. Fuck the dirtbag, shoot them where they lay and pray. That is the only way those boys over in hell are going to survive. The very people (used loosely) they are to flushout would cut their throats while they slept, if given a chance. Fuck civility. What really fucks the wad is the tax dollars wasted trying to imprison the very people that the feds sent into a wasteland of confusion to do a job that is the most critical."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #20 February 25, 2005 >No Bill, I need you to spin it for me. Don't worry about figuring out the spin. Just keep watching FOX. After a while, everything else will seem like a liberal conspiracy. Ann Coulter will start to make sense. You'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy." You'll believe there were WMD's in Iraq, that Saddam Hussein masterminded 9/11, and that gays are trying to shove things down your throat. Watch FOX long enough, and soon everyone _but_ FOX will seem like they are spinning things. After all, they're fair and balanced! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AdD 1 #21 February 25, 2005 QuoteTheir isn't a doubt in my mind that Jessica Lynch was raped REPEATEDLY... Not a single solitary doubt... She will never admit it.... I'm sure you'd know better than she would. I remember reading that she was given blood transfusions from a family member of one of the Iraqi doctors who treated her... maybe that was what you were thinking aboutLife is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 February 25, 2005 Quotehttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/23/eveningnews/main676101.shtml As it should be.. The arm chair quarterback folks can sit down and ZIP IT!! Case closed!@!@ Semper Fi! So freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteYou'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy Do you have the slightest clue where O'Reilly stands on the issues? I doubt it. Ever actually watched the show? I don't care for O'Reilly based on his noisy personality, but he DOES nail the Bush administration regularly on just about half of everything they do. The man is not a partisan. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 February 26, 2005 QuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #25 February 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... You post this: Quotesit down and ZIP IT!! in SC on a hot topic and you expect people to not say anything?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
pajarito 0 #11 February 24, 2005 Quote?? She wasn't raped. No semen, no physical evidence, and she has no memory of any rape. You've been watching FOX News a little too much, I think. Did FOX say she was raped? I don't remember that one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 February 24, 2005 >Did FOX say she was raped? I don't remember that one. From a FOX News special report: ----- The American public was first alerted to the intensity under which women were serving with the news of Jessica Lynch (search), Lori Piestewa and Shoshana Johnson, three female soldiers who were captured by enemy forces when their convoy was ambushed in March. Lynch and Johnson, both severely wounded, were eventually rescued and made it home; Piestewa died after the attack. Further news reports indicate women are returning with wounds similar to their male counterparts, including lost limbs from mortar attacks and suicide bombings. Others have conditions unique to their sex — unplanned pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and sexual trauma, resulting from assault. ------ No suprise that FOX viewers have such impressions about the war. In a recent poll, FOX viewers were more likely than viewers of any other network to have misconceptions about the war (i.e. the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, the WMD caches have been found etc.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #13 February 24, 2005 QuoteFrom a FOX News special report: ----- The American public was first alerted to the intensity under which women were serving with the news of Jessica Lynch (search), Lori Piestewa and Shoshana Johnson, three female soldiers who were captured by enemy forces when their convoy was ambushed in March. Lynch and Johnson, both severely wounded, were eventually rescued and made it home; Piestewa died after the attack. Further news reports indicate women (inserted by me: “generally speaking”) are returning with wounds similar to their male counterparts, including lost limbs from mortar attacks and suicide bombings. Others have conditions unique to their sex — unplanned pregnancies, sexually transmitted diseases and sexual trauma, resulting from assault. ------ Ok, the first paragraph is speaking specifically about the women involved in the attack where Lynch was taken as a POW in an attempt to describe the conditions under which women have to endure in the war in Iraq. The second paragraph is speaking generally about the different kinds of injuries or physical conditions that women are coming back from the war in Iraq with. Nowhere in there does it mention or even allude to Jessica Lynch being raped or even having symptoms of rape. Quote No suprise that FOX viewers have such impressions about the war. In a recent poll, FOX viewers were more likely than viewers of any other network to have misconceptions about the war (i.e. the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, the WMD caches have been found etc.) As with many other topics we’ve discussed, Bill, it’s all in the details and context. I know that’s a real pain in the ass but that’s just the way it is. From your comments, it appears that there are many misconceptions on both sides of the fence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #14 February 24, 2005 Did you post the right link? There is nothing in that one about her being raped? That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #15 February 24, 2005 >Nowhere in there does it mention or even allude to Jessica Lynch >being raped or even having symptoms of rape. Correct. It just mentions Jessica Lynch being injured in Iraq, then describes how injured women are coming back after being sexually assaulted in Iraq (implication - by Iraqis.) Similarly, FOX would mention that they had solid evidence that Iraq was involved in supporting terrorists; terrorists pulled off the 9/11 hijackings. It is because of clever tricks like this that FOX is so popular among conservatives, and also why FOX viewers end up so misinformed - you have to read very carefully to see through their spin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #16 February 25, 2005 Quote>Well, how about the torture and rape of Pfc Jessica Lynch? ?? She wasn't raped. No semen, no physical evidence, and she has no memory of any rape. You've been watching FOX News a little too much, I think. Not only that but she denounced the entire "rescue" saying it was grandstanded for pub. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #17 February 25, 2005 No Bill, I need you to spin it for me. Until you explain what they are trying to spin, I wouldn't have thought to combine the seperate paragraphs to come to your conclusion. Dunno- mabey the conservatives are just smarter. Fox should dumb down their coverage for thr liberals That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #18 February 25, 2005 Their isn't a doubt in my mind that Jessica Lynch was raped REPEATEDLY... Not a single solitary doubt... She will never admit it.... Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #19 February 25, 2005 Quoteits only a war crime if it happens to the good guys Why is that some folks think that just because the prickbag who is shooting at you all day suddenly runs out of ammunition he should be treated more fairly than those who still have ammunition. Fuck the dirtbag, shoot them where they lay and pray. That is the only way those boys over in hell are going to survive. The very people (used loosely) they are to flushout would cut their throats while they slept, if given a chance. Fuck civility. What really fucks the wad is the tax dollars wasted trying to imprison the very people that the feds sent into a wasteland of confusion to do a job that is the most critical."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #20 February 25, 2005 >No Bill, I need you to spin it for me. Don't worry about figuring out the spin. Just keep watching FOX. After a while, everything else will seem like a liberal conspiracy. Ann Coulter will start to make sense. You'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy." You'll believe there were WMD's in Iraq, that Saddam Hussein masterminded 9/11, and that gays are trying to shove things down your throat. Watch FOX long enough, and soon everyone _but_ FOX will seem like they are spinning things. After all, they're fair and balanced! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AdD 1 #21 February 25, 2005 QuoteTheir isn't a doubt in my mind that Jessica Lynch was raped REPEATEDLY... Not a single solitary doubt... She will never admit it.... I'm sure you'd know better than she would. I remember reading that she was given blood transfusions from a family member of one of the Iraqi doctors who treated her... maybe that was what you were thinking aboutLife is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 February 25, 2005 Quotehttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/23/eveningnews/main676101.shtml As it should be.. The arm chair quarterback folks can sit down and ZIP IT!! Case closed!@!@ Semper Fi! So freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteYou'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy Do you have the slightest clue where O'Reilly stands on the issues? I doubt it. Ever actually watched the show? I don't care for O'Reilly based on his noisy personality, but he DOES nail the Bush administration regularly on just about half of everything they do. The man is not a partisan. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #24 February 26, 2005 QuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ChasingBlueSky 0 #25 February 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... You post this: Quotesit down and ZIP IT!! in SC on a hot topic and you expect people to not say anything?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,120 #20 February 25, 2005 >No Bill, I need you to spin it for me. Don't worry about figuring out the spin. Just keep watching FOX. After a while, everything else will seem like a liberal conspiracy. Ann Coulter will start to make sense. You'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy." You'll believe there were WMD's in Iraq, that Saddam Hussein masterminded 9/11, and that gays are trying to shove things down your throat. Watch FOX long enough, and soon everyone _but_ FOX will seem like they are spinning things. After all, they're fair and balanced! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdD 1 #21 February 25, 2005 QuoteTheir isn't a doubt in my mind that Jessica Lynch was raped REPEATEDLY... Not a single solitary doubt... She will never admit it.... I'm sure you'd know better than she would. I remember reading that she was given blood transfusions from a family member of one of the Iraqi doctors who treated her... maybe that was what you were thinking aboutLife is ez On the dz Every jumper's dream 3 rigs and an airstream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #22 February 25, 2005 Quotehttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/23/eveningnews/main676101.shtml As it should be.. The arm chair quarterback folks can sit down and ZIP IT!! Case closed!@!@ Semper Fi! So freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteYou'll start to say things like "that Bill O'Reilly sure is a middle of the road kind of guy Do you have the slightest clue where O'Reilly stands on the issues? I doubt it. Ever actually watched the show? I don't care for O'Reilly based on his noisy personality, but he DOES nail the Bush administration regularly on just about half of everything they do. The man is not a partisan. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #24 February 26, 2005 QuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #25 February 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo freedom of speech and expression aren't allowed on this topic? Excuse me, but why is that? Whatever do you mean? You seem to be voicing your free speech just fine... You post this: Quotesit down and ZIP IT!! in SC on a hot topic and you expect people to not say anything?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
