Duckwater 0 #1 February 23, 2005 It has been a wild day here in Denton. I live and work less than 5 miles from where the bodies of a 7 year old boy and his pregnant mother were found. The car was found in the creek that runs through my pasture. HOW CAN YOU STRANGLE A 7 YEAR OLD BOY???? I want this fucker to die so much. Leathal injection is too kind. If he gets sent to Huntsville, the other prisoners will get to him for killing a kid. I want him to suffer, alot. So, just let him get life. I want him to die a nasty death. I am so pissed. -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #2 February 23, 2005 How do you know its a 'him' ? How did the mother die?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #3 February 23, 2005 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=523917&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312 QuoteFORT WORTH, Texas Feb 23, 2005 — Lisa Underwood was devoted to her 7-year-old son and excited about soon having a baby girl. Friends said she was planning to raise her daughter without help from the baby's father. That's why many of Underwood's friends are stunned that the father of her unborn child has been charged with suffocating her and her son, Jayden, apparently after an argument over his refusal to leave his wife. "She was warm and loving, but she was also very independent," said Leah Huff, a friend and longtime customer at Boopa's Bagel Deli, the bagel shop Underwood co-owned. "She raised Jayden by herself, and Jayden was awesome. Being a single mother was no big deal to her." Hours after the arrest of 37-year-old Stephen Dale Barbee, authorities found two bodies matching the description of Underwood, 34, who was seven months pregnant, and her son. Court records show Barbee admitted arguing with Underwood over leaving his wife. Barbee allegedly said he suffocated Underwood, then suffocated the boy after he interrupted the attack. Court papers said Barbee was the father of Underwood's fetus. Barbee told investigators he put the bodies in the back of Underwood's SUV and drove to Denton County and dug a shallow grave, according to the affidavit. Underwood was reported missing Saturday along with her son after she failed to show up at her baby shower, prompting an Amber Alert. A pool of blood was found in her Fort Worth home. After Barbee's arrest and en route to jail in Fort Worth, police took him to a rural area of Denton County near Northlake, about 25 miles north of Fort Worth, and he led them to the bodies, authorities said. Underwood and Barbee met about two years ago at the bagel store but split up last fall because Barbee had another girlfriend, said Debbie Lindley, a neighbor of Underwood's. About 200 people gathered Tuesday night for a candlelight vigil outside Underwood's bagel shop, where they placed dozens of balloons, flower bouquets, cards and pictures of the victims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 February 23, 2005 Thanks for the update Keely. Sad.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 February 23, 2005 That's one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. It's too damn easy. Let them rot in jail...lots of time to think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #6 February 23, 2005 Agreed. People should get what they deserve....not the mercy a quick painless death would provide. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #7 February 23, 2005 QuoteThat's one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. It's too damn easy. Let them rot in jail...lots of time to think. To a degree, I could agree with that logic, however, why should they also continue to be allowed to be a burden on society for the rest of their lives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #8 February 23, 2005 A friend of mine's brother spent a few years in Cummins (Arkansas prison). He got out about a week before her wedding. Of course this was 15-16 years ago, but he said he missed life inside. He had pool tables and free cable tv where he was.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #9 February 23, 2005 Quote...I want him to suffer, alot. So, just let him get life. I want him to die a nasty death... I'm thinking rape-caused HIV. That ought to do nicely... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 February 23, 2005 Because financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. Defendants can have problems with incompetant council, shoddy police work, and biased judges (doesn't happen often, but it does happen), along with issues of new evidence. You can always let someone out of jail if there is new evidence. You can't un-execute them, so, as a society, we have to be certain, and certainty can be expensive. Also, one could make an argument that the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society, because as part of society we are somewhat responsible for the acts of society. Many people aren't too fond of the idea of breaking the "do not kill" commandment. Lock them up for good. If there is new evidence, they can be released. If they are guilty, they have a long time to think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #11 February 23, 2005 QuoteQuote...I want him to suffer, alot. So, just let him get life. I want him to die a nasty death... I'm thinking rape-caused HIV. That ought to do nicely... Yep. If someone doesn't kill him within the first year, he'll be someone's bitch for the next 40. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tcnelson 1 #12 February 23, 2005 two words: hard labor. there's plenty of stuff that needs to be done that these assbags can work on night and day. bring back the chain gang is what i'm sayin'. "Don't talk to me like that assface...I don't work for you yet." - Fletch NBFT, Deseoso Rodriguez RB#1329 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmanpilot 0 #13 February 23, 2005 QuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld._________________________________________ -There's always free cheese in a mouse trap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 February 23, 2005 and if there's new evidence that turns up one day after that single appeal? or new technology to analyze existing evidence? Do you send a potentially innocent man to his death, or do you allow the evidence to be evaluated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #15 February 23, 2005 QuoteTo a degree, I could agree with that logic, however, why should they also continue to be allowed to be a burden on society for the rest of their lives? It's a lot cheaper to put someone in prison for life than it is to go for a DP conviciton. Several studies in many different states from Ohio to Ca have shown this. In Fla it cost aprox $3.18M to execute someone, while to incarcerate them costs aprox $17K a year. Assuming the average life span of a human is 75 years, that would cost $1.275M for 75 years. Even if that person lives to 150yo its still cheaper to keep him in jail. Some may argue that all these cost are incurred in the appeals process, but the truth is most around 75% of these are on the trial level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #16 February 23, 2005 I have no problem,repeat NO PROBLEM with the death penalty for bottom feeding scum like this asshole. There is no doubt that he did this crime, he led the cops to the graves for crying out loud! Anyone that can kill a child deserves to not be taking up space and air on this planet. The cost of carrying out a death sentence is horrible, agreed. They should get one state appeal and one federal appeal after their conviction. Then kill em! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #17 February 24, 2005 the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society very true. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #18 February 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld. There are some 15 innocent people free in Illinois who would now be dead under your system.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #19 February 24, 2005 Quoteb]HOW CAN YOU STRANGLE A 7 YEAR OLD BOY???? He killed this woman knowing she was pregnant. He took 3 lives.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #20 February 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld. I believe that there is legislation somewhat like this in the works here in Texas, but it would only speed up the death penalty in cases where there were more than 3 credible witnesses,video of the crime, etc.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #21 February 24, 2005 I didn't read the article, but if he confessed then just take him out back and shoot him and if not wait until trial is over and if found guilty then take him out back and shoot him....... I'm very sick of seeing people commiting such crimes and getting life..F that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #22 February 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. It's too damn easy. Let them rot in jail...lots of time to think. To a degree, I could agree with that logic, however, why should they also continue to be allowed to be a burden on society for the rest of their lives? The costs are far greater to prosecute for cap pun than for life, so theburden goes the other way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteA friend of mine's brother spent a few years in Cummins (Arkansas prison). He got out about a week before her wedding. Of course this was 15-16 years ago, but he said he missed life inside. He had pool tables and free cable tv where he was.... linz Please... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #24 February 25, 2005 QuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. Defendants can have problems with incompetant council, shoddy police work, and biased judges (doesn't happen often, but it does happen), along with issues of new evidence. You can always let someone out of jail if there is new evidence. You can't un-execute them, so, as a society, we have to be certain, and certainty can be expensive. Also, one could make an argument that the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society, because as part of society we are somewhat responsible for the acts of society. Many people aren't too fond of the idea of breaking the "do not kill" commandment. Lock them up for good. If there is new evidence, they can be released. If they are guilty, they have a long time to think. Also, one could make an argument that the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society, because as part of society we are somewhat responsible for the acts of society. Many people aren't too fond of the idea of breaking the "do not kill" commandment. That's a very ornate way to state that. Well out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #25 February 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld. A case I often cite is the Ray Krone case where he had 2 trials by jury - 2 convictions. Spent 2 years aon death row and 8 years in prison on top of that. Finally took 3ook from his family to do their own investigation to get a judge to throw it our. See, our system did it's designed job and almost killed a guy; think it's the only time? It's a circular argument to say we should abbreviate the system/process, then talk about more safeguards. Either we need to decide that killing innocent people is OK, or we need to abolish the DP. Horrific countries (jk) like Russia have come to that conclusion, why don't we? Answer is in many places, but primarily that rich people don't get executed, rich people make laws. Also, the US is bent on revenge rather than compassion, so it's just par. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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justinb138 0 #20 February 24, 2005 QuoteQuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld. I believe that there is legislation somewhat like this in the works here in Texas, but it would only speed up the death penalty in cases where there were more than 3 credible witnesses,video of the crime, etc.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #21 February 24, 2005 I didn't read the article, but if he confessed then just take him out back and shoot him and if not wait until trial is over and if found guilty then take him out back and shoot him....... I'm very sick of seeing people commiting such crimes and getting life..F that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #22 February 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's one of the reasons I'm against the death penalty. It's too damn easy. Let them rot in jail...lots of time to think. To a degree, I could agree with that logic, however, why should they also continue to be allowed to be a burden on society for the rest of their lives? The costs are far greater to prosecute for cap pun than for life, so theburden goes the other way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #23 February 25, 2005 QuoteA friend of mine's brother spent a few years in Cummins (Arkansas prison). He got out about a week before her wedding. Of course this was 15-16 years ago, but he said he missed life inside. He had pool tables and free cable tv where he was.... linz Please... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #24 February 25, 2005 QuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. Defendants can have problems with incompetant council, shoddy police work, and biased judges (doesn't happen often, but it does happen), along with issues of new evidence. You can always let someone out of jail if there is new evidence. You can't un-execute them, so, as a society, we have to be certain, and certainty can be expensive. Also, one could make an argument that the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society, because as part of society we are somewhat responsible for the acts of society. Many people aren't too fond of the idea of breaking the "do not kill" commandment. Lock them up for good. If there is new evidence, they can be released. If they are guilty, they have a long time to think. Also, one could make an argument that the death penalty is a spiritual burden on society, because as part of society we are somewhat responsible for the acts of society. Many people aren't too fond of the idea of breaking the "do not kill" commandment. That's a very ornate way to state that. Well out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #25 February 25, 2005 QuoteQuoteBecause financially, the death penalty is more of a drain on society, as we have to allow appeals in order to be very careful that we don't execute an innocent. That's part of the problem, too many appeals. Give em one appeal in the proper venue and with a competent attorney, then let the community determine the penalty if the conviction is upheld. A case I often cite is the Ray Krone case where he had 2 trials by jury - 2 convictions. Spent 2 years aon death row and 8 years in prison on top of that. Finally took 3ook from his family to do their own investigation to get a judge to throw it our. See, our system did it's designed job and almost killed a guy; think it's the only time? It's a circular argument to say we should abbreviate the system/process, then talk about more safeguards. Either we need to decide that killing innocent people is OK, or we need to abolish the DP. Horrific countries (jk) like Russia have come to that conclusion, why don't we? Answer is in many places, but primarily that rich people don't get executed, rich people make laws. Also, the US is bent on revenge rather than compassion, so it's just par. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
