Zep 0 #1 February 22, 2005 With the new F1 season soon to start I was wondering why the Americans havent enterd into this international scene. You have some damb fine enginneers, an drivers also some good engines, I'm shure comming up with a competative 3ltr motor would'nt be to difficult I know you have your Indy racing and formula style racing, So why not enter into the International scene. I for one think it would be great to see you Guys competing. This is not a dig at the Americans so no flaring please. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #2 February 22, 2005 QuoteF1 season soon to start I was wondering why the Americans havent enterd into this international scene. Because after three beers, the average American cannot mentally process both left AND right turns. QuoteThis is not a dig at the Americans so no flaring please. Opps, sorry. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 February 22, 2005 Because, Budwiser, Home Depot, and Busch beer already have race teams in NASCAR. Plus more Americans can visualize themesleves in a NASCAR vehical, vs an F1 car.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #4 February 22, 2005 Most Indy cars are designed and built in the UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #5 February 22, 2005 heh...what skydyvr said. Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #6 February 22, 2005 IMHO, Its has to do with marketability. NASCAR markets their drivers to be approachable. Go to any Busch series race, and you can walk right through the pits. 90% of drivers are meeting the fans and signing autographs. Does that happen in F1? The sponsorships in NASCAR are more palletable too. I/E Home Depot, Hershey's Chocolate, Budweiser etc.... Bill France Sr. once said that the manfacturer that wins on Sunday sells more cars on Monday. You cant go out on Monday and buy a McClaren F1 car. I personally like both series. I think that NASCAR markets itself better. There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #7 February 22, 2005 Ok I can understand the marketing side. an formula one dosent have the same appeal in the States as it does in other countrys but it would be nice to see a Kenny Rodgers equivelent doing the laps. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 February 23, 2005 Honestly (bare with me here) I think that the majority of people into racing in the US see F1 as a prissy "Eurotrash" thing and not something they could enjoy. That and the racing sports entrenched in the US market started in the US. Car drag racing, NASCAR, etc all started with normal folks with normal cars working in their garage on their daily driver, etc. Even NASCAR racing has a "farm team" available to the average joe. Anyone can spend a few grand and make a race car to go race a couple times a month at their local track. Same with sprint racing, midget cars, etc. Infact some of the best racing I've ever seen in my life were at home town dirt tracks with home built cars.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #9 February 23, 2005 Prissy Prissy, Just for you AggieDave I'll ask them if they can include a few circuits where they go backwards Europe has it's smaller races too, like run what ya brung or demolition derby we've even got drag, Look up Santa Pod race track http://www.santapod.com/ An for real life road racing ask any tearaway in Northern Ireland Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 February 23, 2005 QuotePrissy Prissy, Just for you AggieDave I'll ask them if they can include a few circuits where they go backwards Naw, what they need is when there's a wreck the drivers get out and start kicking the shit out of each other...it would be even better if there's a tire iron pulled and people rushing over there to break up the fight... I've seen that more then once at a local dirt track. Ok, gotta run, I'm gonna be late if I don't.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #11 February 23, 2005 QuoteQuotePrissy Prissy, Just for you AggieDave I'll ask them if they can include a few circuits where they go backwards Naw, what they need is when there's a wreck the drivers get out and start kicking the shit out of each other...it would be even better if there's a tire iron pulled and people rushing over there to break up the fight... I've seen that more then once at a local dirt track. That would be entertaining, but ya know we're Europeans above that sort of thing Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 February 23, 2005 Unfortunately, F1 really won't fare well here. One of the problems with it is that it seems that F1 has a "no passing" rule in effect. I've seen a couple of races, and I just think it'd be nice to see one without Schumacher in front. There's a lot that goes into F1 - fuel management, brake pad management, etc. But I simply don't think that American audiences will go for it. I started getting into it. Then Senna died... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #13 February 23, 2005 QuoteUnfortunately, F1 really won't fare well here. One of the problems with it is that it seems that F1 has a "no passing" rule in effect. I've seen a couple of races, and I just think it'd be nice to see one without Schumacher in front. There's a lot that goes into F1 - fuel management, brake pad management, etc. But I simply don't think that American audiences will go for it. I started getting into it. Then Senna died... I don't think Americans understand the concept of turning both left and right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kai2k1 0 #14 February 23, 2005 QuoteNaw, what they need is when there's a wreck the drivers get out and start kicking the shit out of each other...it would be even better if there's a tire iron pulled and people rushing over there to break up the fight... Ever watched Bristol ?? It used to be that way minus the tire iron There's no truer sense of flying than sky diving," Scott Cowan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 February 23, 2005 Formula 1 cars make Indy cars look like go-karts. Ever since the Indy Car-CART split in this country. I think open wheel racing has taken a big hit. Indy cars have been dumbed down to the point where you really can't say they are cutting edge. Don't know if the quality of F-1 would really sell over here. Nascar seems to have captured the racing interest in the U.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #16 February 23, 2005 You are so right. I think it is so much more exciting to watch open-wheel and two-wheel racing, but for some reason, Joe Blow American seems to like to watch slow cars going around in a circle for 3 hours. The split killed open-wheel racing in the US, but the Champ Car series (used to be CART) actually had a decent year this past year, plus the US Grand Prix (the F1 race in Indy) is gaining popularity among fans. As for the most exciting of all, if you think the American bias against F1 is bad, try getting into motorcycle roadracing! Yeesh...the most exciting thing on any track by far, and you can't fill the stands at a Superbike race. Seriously, folks, what's more exciting, watching someone go 200 mph whilst protected from the pavement by a car chassis, or watching someone going 200 mph protected from the pavement by a rawhide knee puck and a quarter inch of reinforced leather? That being said, I would like to gloat: I'm going to the MotoGP race at Laguna Seca! nyah nyah nyah!!!Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skykittykat 0 #17 February 23, 2005 My cousin used to be a F1 racer and my father's cousin set up the deal for Frank Williams' team. F1 is mainly the glamour and the culture. I think that F1 has been associated with the upper classes in Europe as when it started, it was only people with money/glamour who could do it . The culture in Europe is way different from the States - there is much more glamour associated with sports than in America. To be fair there is the Indiannopolis race on F1 now... NASCAR is accessible to everyone. Grab a beer in the tailgate and all that! Liz Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #18 February 23, 2005 For an insight to F1 check out the link . The 'power battle' of the last few years has seen outputs creeping back towards the 1000 bhp barrier, some teams producing more than 300 bhp / litre from the current generation of 3 litre engines. Revving to over 18,000 RPM a modern Formula One engine will consume a phenomenal 650 litres of air every second, with race fuel consumption typically around the 75 l/100 km (4 mpg) mark. Revving at such massive speeds equates to an accelerative force on the pistons of nearly 9000 times gravity. http://www.formula1.com/insight/technicalinfo/11/467.html Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #19 February 23, 2005 Surely BAR represents a reasonable interest from the US? But I'd agree with Aggie's take on it, the 'psyche' of the US people is slightly different, they like to feel they can, at some level or another, partake in the sports they watch.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #20 February 23, 2005 QuoteSurely BAR represents a reasonable interest from the US? BARf1, Brackley, Northants, UK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #21 February 23, 2005 BAR = British American Racing... even if it is just down the road from Hinton DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #22 February 23, 2005 Thank you captain obvious. For some reason unknown to me, America has no interest in producing top tier racing cars. Instead they buy them from the UK. Newman Haas racing, built by Lola cars, UK. Chevrolet Indy car engines, built by Ilmor, UK. Ford indy car engines, built by Cosworth, UK. BARf1, built in the UK. Even Ferrari F1 engines were built in the UK until the Tifosi found out. Ferrari then shipped the plant and UK workforce to Maranello to shut them up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #23 February 23, 2005 My apologies – I read your post as saying that because BAR was based in the UK it wasn’t an American interest in F1... sure their interest is more financial than practical - but it's still an interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #24 February 23, 2005 I love F1 racing. I think F1 racing and Rally have the best drivers. I watch NASCAR once in a blue moon. I honestly don’t see the talent of going in a circle if they put some turns in it I might watch more. Plus F1 has real speed 200mph+ I am not sure if we are capable of producing the same HP out of the same size engine, and make it run for a while. When you look the cars that are made the Europeans, and Japanese always produce more HP per liter then the domestic cars we (the USA) make.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #25 February 23, 2005 SPEED channel used to be one of my favorites. F1 is great but I love the Rally races.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
