NY Cop Trial for Self Defense Shooting

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It's easier to piss and moan and make unsubstantiated claims.

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Then show me some far righters critical of the pig function. Hell, they get all pissy when I refer to cops as pigs.... semantics, who cares?

OK, so if I refered to all cop-haters as paranoid fucktards whose mommys didn't love them enough, that would be cool with you?

It wouldn't be cool with me. It would be disrespectful, crude, and right up your alley, apparently.

I have some cold hard facts for you. I'm sure they won't match your version of reality so you'll ignore them, but they remain facts nonetheless.

First, the cops involved in the Louima thing aren't cops anymore, and I believe at least a few of them went to jail. Responsibility for cops does exist.

Second, the Diallo shooting was a bad day for everyone, but there was no criminal intent. The guy matched a violent felon's description, was in the right (wrong) area, and he made a sudden move towards his waist with guns pointed at him.

Third, I think it is wrong that cops in Virginia shot up a neighborhood while shooting at (and occasionally hitting) a violent perp. They hsould be held accountable for the rounds just as I would be. If I shot up that neighborhood, I'd have been charged with shooting into an occupied dwelling. The law needs to change for them or me to make it even again.

There, you seem to think I'm a Nazi because I don't hate America, and that's pretty far right, and I just criticized the actions of some cops.

I hope you at least consider revising your worldview before jumping back into fantasyland headfirst.

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1 - Conroy said he wanted to question the man so he drew his gun

Is this how you normally begin a line of questioning?

It is when you're alone protecting evidence and have been expecting violent resistance all night.

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2- The first time, Conroy testified, the man walked 35 feet toward him, tried to grab the gun, and then turned and ran. The second time, Conroy said, the man, after running from him, charged him and wrestled with him until the officer fired twice, hitting him.

This makes no sense....why WALK over to someone, grab their gun (or attempt to do something so stupid as that) and then run away and THEN RUN BACK AND CHARGE HIM??

Have you ever dealt with people who just don't make sense? Maybe he thought he could get away, then thought better of finishing off the officer (and thought he could because the cop didn't shoot the first time he wrestled with him.

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3 - "I got hit in the nose with his upper right shoulder," Conroy said. "We wrestled around. I'm trying to get this man off me because it's clear to me that this man wants my firearm."

Why did he draw the gun in the first place, if he wanted to question someone?

Answered for number one.

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4 - After hitting Zongo with the first two shots, Conroy said, the wounded man backed off. The officer said he fired two more shots and Zongo fell.

Why shoot twice more if someone is backing off?

The question is what happened between "backed off" and :"fired twice more." Weren't you the one wanting more information when it might exonerate the perp? Don't cops deserve the same wait for all the information?

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5 - After the shooting, Conroy said, "I couldn't believe what just happened. The last thing I wanted to do was shoot someone, much less kill anyone."


Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.

He never said he wouldn't shoot. He said it was the last thing he wanted to do. Personally I think all armed people should have that mindset. The world would be a much less violent place.

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6 - On Thursday, Dr. Nancy S. Kwon, who examined Conroy in Bellevue Hospital's emergency room after the encounter with Zongo, testified that she did not see any injuries on Conroy and that he told her he was not hurt.

But i thought he sustained injuries?

Have you ever read about the evidence missed when nurses examine rape victims? It happens all the time. It seems small at the time but can make all the difference at trial. Same thing here.

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8 - Conroy's lawyer, Stuart London, says Conroy had a red mark on his nose after the "life and death struggle" with Zongo over the officer's gun.

Where was this redmark according to the medical examination? Why was it not documented?

(what, you don't like the number seven?)

Like I said, it he's not bleeding out or broken in half, it can be left off the report sometimes. A sprained wrist, a bloody nose that was wiped, bruises and scratches under clothing, all these things and more have been left off before.

Also, just because he wasn't beaten within an inch of his life that hardly precludes this from being a life and death struggle. If someone is trying to take your service weapon from you while you're in uniform, don't you think that qualifies as life and death?

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And what if the 1-year old was killed that was in the back seat of her car?

And what if she didn't get shot, but wrecked the car and killed everyone inside? You probably wouldn't like that as much because it would be harder to blame the police for. She put herself in that position, and endangered the lives of her kids in the process because she wanted drugs. IMHO, people like that deserve a bullet more than anyone.

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Truth is, 3 witnesses testified that the pig ran after the fleeing car and drew and shot as her charged from behind the car.

There are probably a handful of people who know what actually happened, and my guess is you're not one of them. If the witnesses were anything like you, they would have probably lied just to see the cop get f*cked.

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Now the question is about how I know that, must have heard it on the news, news is all liberal...blaaa-de-blaa-blaa... I watched 3 days of the trial in person and was filled in by others there while I wasn't there, but I did watch the witnesses testify.

Ah, so you're the expert now.

Personally I think being a police officer is one of the most selfless things someone can do. They put their lives on the line everyday, and get paid jack shit for it. Just like any group of people, there are a few bad ones out there. Their crimes shouldn't go unpunished.

I'm not sure why you hate them so much, but hating them all because of one bad one is pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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The police are there to enforce our laws. If they fail to abide by them, then they should be subjected to the same consequences as everyone else. I think all repubs and dems would agree with that. If some cop robbed you, and his station nor IA would listen to you, your responsibility as a citizen should lead you to your state's bureau of investigation, then the FBI or to a private attorney to act on your behalf.

I have a lawsuit filed and am in discovery. I have most of an AG report done, and I think the FBI is a good idea. However, it is not my responsiblity as a citizen, as if it's my duty.

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However, it is not my responsiblity as a citizen, as if it's my duty.

It's not your responsibility to call all cops pigs either, but you don't seem to have any trouble doing that.

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Considering....

1. That same murdering pig, . . .

2. . . . I tried to make a report with his pig station . . .

4. The pig was all . . . was put up by the pig association. I know that his defense was paid for by the pig association t . . .

5. . . .to retire after this pig's killing, . . .

6. Now the victimized pig . . .

Your contempt and disrespect towards the police pollute any reasonable argument you might make. You should stop while you're behind.

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You should stop while you're behind.

"HEY YOU UP THERE . . . throw me a shovel!"

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Then show me some far righters critical of the pig function. Hell, they get all pissy when I refer to cops as pigs.... semantics, who cares?

OK, so if I refered to all cop-haters as paranoid fucktards whose mommys didn't love them enough, that would be cool with you?

It wouldn't be cool with me. It would be disrespectful, crude, and right up your alley, apparently.

I have some cold hard facts for you. I'm sure they won't match your version of reality so you'll ignore them, but they remain facts nonetheless.

First, the cops involved in the Louima thing aren't cops anymore, and I believe at least a few of them went to jail. Responsibility for cops does exist.

Second, the Diallo shooting was a bad day for everyone, but there was no criminal intent. The guy matched a violent felon's description, was in the right (wrong) area, and he made a sudden move towards his waist with guns pointed at him.

Third, I think it is wrong that cops in Virginia shot up a neighborhood while shooting at (and occasionally hitting) a violent perp. They hsould be held accountable for the rounds just as I would be. If I shot up that neighborhood, I'd have been charged with shooting into an occupied dwelling. The law needs to change for them or me to make it even again.

There, you seem to think I'm a Nazi because I don't hate America, and that's pretty far right, and I just criticized the actions of some cops.

I hope you at least consider revising your worldview before jumping back into fantasyland headfirst.

OK, so if I refered to all cop-haters as paranoid fucktards whose mommys didn't love them enough, that would be cool with you?

It would be ok if you didn't mind me calling people that love pigs no matter what a bunch of slimebag, Nazi pig lovers who's daddy loved them too much.

It wouldn't be cool with me. It would be disrespectful, crude, and right up your alley, apparently.


Apparently it is - you wrote it.

First, the cops involved in the Louima thing aren't cops anymore, and I believe at least a few of them went to jail. Responsibility for cops does exist.

The HPIC (head pig in charge) received 30 years, but was then released on a technicality. Funny how cops turn to liberal appellate courts crying and whining like other criminal defendants when they convicted, huh?

Furthermore, that cements my contention that a badge is a commit one felony free card. That is sad - they aren't cops anymore....whatever, how about jail time?

Second, the Diallo shooting was a bad day for everyone, but there was no criminal intent. The guy matched a violent felon's description, was in the right (wrong) area, and he made a sudden move towards his waist with guns pointed at him.

Ya, wrong place/wrong time, person dies, pig walks. Where are your facts and what do they support? My arguments.

The law needs to change for them or me to make it even again.


Should, might, etc.... It's not the fault of the pigs - they just have an easy job where they drive around and fuck with people. The fault is with the courts. See, US Sup Ct decisions come down in the form of "Bright-line" rules. The Terry pat and frisk is one, Miranda is another. These simple terms represent guidlelines drawn from 300-page decisions that most cops couldn't comprehend. Point is, how can the cops uphold the law when much of the time they don't knwo what it is. Furthermore, most cops are hired as the ultra-conservative type, so they interpret things a bit different from howthe courts intended, butthe courts won't eradicate the problem - hell, judges want immunity too.

There, you seem to think I'm a Nazi because I don't hate America, and that's pretty far right, and I just criticized the actions of some cops.

No, I think your a blind nationalist, mean ing whatever the government does domestically or abroad is ok, because, hell, we did it and we're the beacon of freedom so it must be good.

As for your criticisms, well, they hardly even register on the handslap meter. Cops do some pretty bad shit, worse than many bona fide criminals, but you have yet to say, "fry em" about the pigs the way you would about a so called criminal.

I hope you at least consider revising your worldview before jumping back into fantasyland headfirst.

No revision, just more affirmation from you.

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And what if the 1-year old was killed that was in the back seat of her car?

And what if she didn't get shot, but wrecked the car and killed everyone inside? You probably wouldn't like that as much because it would be harder to blame the police for. She put herself in that position, and endangered the lives of her kids in the process because she wanted drugs. IMHO, people like that deserve a bullet more than anyone.

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Truth is, 3 witnesses testified that the pig ran after the fleeing car and drew and shot as her charged from behind the car.

There are probably a handful of people who know what actually happened, and my guess is you're not one of them. If the witnesses were anything like you, they would have probably lied just to see the cop get f*cked.

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Now the question is about how I know that, must have heard it on the news, news is all liberal...blaaa-de-blaa-blaa... I watched 3 days of the trial in person and was filled in by others there while I wasn't there, but I did watch the witnesses testify.

Ah, so you're the expert now.

Personally I think being a police officer is one of the most selfless things someone can do. They put their lives on the line everyday, and get paid jack shit for it. Just like any group of people, there are a few bad ones out there. Their crimes shouldn't go unpunished.

I'm not sure why you hate them so much, but hating them all because of one bad one is pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

And what if she didn't get shot, but wrecked the car and killed everyone inside?

And what if pink elephants flew out of her ass? It is considered consensus by the authorities that there was more danger in shooting than letting her go and picking her up at her home - they had her lic plate #.

You probably wouldn't like that as much because it would be harder to blame the police for. She put herself in that position, and endangered the lives of her kids in the process because she wanted drugs. IMHO, people like that deserve a bullet more than anyone.


Well, you represent like 1% of the Phoenix area opinion, so you must be a revolutionary trend-setter. I bet you are that 1% that hopes he gets his job back - he can go for the trifecta with just one more killing.

There are probably a handful of people who know what actually happened, and my guess is you're not one of them. If the witnesses were anything like you, they would have probably lied just to see the cop get f*cked.


This says nothing. The witnesses were young college girls and an older person. They seemed to have no bias. The witnesses were nothing like me, so your ad hominem ends there - sorry.

Ah, so you're the expert now.

Again, this is not about me. It occurred 2 1/2 years ago and there's still tons of media about it. It is a big deal and it is not about me, so why don't you review some of the sites I posted or just look more up. Keyword - *murdering pig*

Personally I think being a police officer is one of the most selfless things someone can do.

It's a lazy job where you get to commit crimes all you want and get away with it, not that I think that's a good thing.

They put their lives on the line everyday, and get paid jack shit for it.

Ya, most of the time they are bored and writing tickets. As for low pay, not so much anymore - they get paid well now for having jackshit for an education.

Just like any group of people, there are a few bad ones out there.

Ya, it just seems there are a few more, or a higher rate amongst cops.

I'm not sure why you hate them so much, but hating them all because of one bad one is pretty much the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


I don't hate them, honest. I blame the courts for allowing such lattitude on the front end, and then giving immunity on the back end. Cops are often reallystupid people that follow orders too well w/o thought. But I don't hate them.

Exonerating them all behind some lame rationalization is the stupidest thing I've heard of.

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However, it is not my responsiblity as a citizen, as if it's my duty.

It's not your responsibility to call all cops pigs either, but you don't seem to have any trouble doing that.

No, just my pleasure. Actually it's a test of semantic sensitivity.

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Considering....

1. That same murdering pig, . . .

2. . . . I tried to make a report with his pig station . . .

4. The pig was all . . . was put up by the pig association. I know that his defense was paid for by the pig association t . . .

5. . . .to retire after this pig's killing, . . .

6. Now the victimized pig . . .

Your contempt and disrespect towards the police pollute any reasonable argument you might make. You should stop while you're behind.

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Hmmmmmmm, I wonder how the parents of the the PIGS first killing would feel if they read this thread? They would probably make my posts look like lemonaide.

He was a fantastic son of a doctor, U of A college kid and the pig was chasing a stolen vehicle but couldn't let his precious ego allow the truck to go, evenafter dispatch told him to let it go. So the stolen truck, with the pig close behind, ran a red and killed the 19 YO college kid in the intersection. Of course the blame all goes to the driver of the stolen truck, right? Typical pig-loving statement. Well, the city claimed no wrongdoing, but paid 1.4 to the mom and 1.4 to the dad. Ya, corporations and people pay out millions when they're not wrong all the time.

Then 1 1/2 years later the pig helps some brokers rob my house and then 8 days later murders a woman for passing a forged prescription. This time they had to fire him, prosecute him, pig-loving jury acquits and now he's suing for a million cause they won't let him back on the force to finish his trifecta.

Your contempt and disrespect towards the police pollute any reasonable argument you might make. You should stop while you're behind.


Your blind nationalism destroys any possible chance of objective commentary, but I won't promote censorship as you do.

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And what if pink elephants flew out of her ass? It is considered consensus by the authorities that there was more danger in shooting than letting her go and picking her up at her home - they had her lic plate #.

Ok, he screwed up. How does that make all cops bad?

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Well, you represent like 1% of the Phoenix area opinion, so you must be a revolutionary trend-setter. I bet you are that 1% that hopes he gets his job back - he can go for the trifecta with just one more killing.

Well, I can bet that you represent far less than that. I have no opinion on whether he gets his job back or not.

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It's a lazy job where you get to commit crimes all you want and get away with it, not that I think that's a good thing.

That's got the be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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Ya, most of the time they are bored and writing tickets. As for low pay, not so much anymore - they get paid well now for having jackshit for an education.

If they didn't write tickets, there would be alot more deaths from motor vehicle accidents. As far as education goes, many departments in my area require a 4-year degree.

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Ya, it just seems there are a few more, or a higher rate amongst cops.

Really? I'd like to see some information to back that claim up. I doubt there is any.

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I don't hate them, honest. I blame the courts for allowing such lattitude on the front end, and then giving immunity on the back end. Cops are often reallystupid people that follow orders too well w/o thought. But I don't hate them.

Thats 100% Grade A bullshit. Should I count the number of times the word pig was used?

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Exonerating them all behind some lame rationalization is the stupidest thing I've heard of.

Have you read your own posts?

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>Your blind nationalism . . .

And your one warning. Cut it out.

I am locking this thread because you are clearly doing your level best to piss people off. "Pig" "kike" "nazi" etc are words often used purely for their offensive effect, and you are doing that here. Don't do that in the future.