NY Cop Trial for Self Defense Shooting

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Jurors hear grand jury testimony of police officer in fatal shooting

NEW YORK -- Jurors heard grand jury testimony Friday in which a police officer on trial for fatally shooting an unarmed African repairman describes a violent struggle over his gun and his fear that he would be killed if he lost the fight.

Prosecutors had the testimony read to the jury in Manhattan State Supreme Court, where Officer Bryan Conroy is charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Ousmane Zongo, 43. They say Conroy recklessly caused Zongo's death by chasing him and shooting at him.

Conroy, 25, said the battle for his life began around 4 p.m. on May 22, 2003, after he saw a man while guarding a bin of counterfeit CDs and DVDs that Staten Island Task Force police had seized inside Manhattan's Chelsea Mini-Storage on West 27th Street.

Zongo, the man Conroy spotted, had a nearby bin where he kept and repaired African musical instruments and art objects.

Conroy said he wanted to question the man so he drew his gun, yelled that he was a police officer, and told the man not to move. But, the officer said, the man advanced on him at two different times and tried to take his gun.

The first time, Conroy testified, the man walked 35 feet toward him, tried to grab the gun, and then turned and ran. The second time, Conroy said, the man, after running from him, charged him and wrestled with him until the officer fired twice, hitting him.

"I got hit in the nose with his upper right shoulder," Conroy said. "We wrestled around. I'm trying to get this man off me because it's clear to me that this man wants my firearm. It's clear to me that if this man gets my gun, I'm dead."

After hitting Zongo with the first two shots, Conroy said, the wounded man backed off. The officer said he fired two more shots and Zongo fell.

Assistant District Attorney Armand Durastanti said Zongo, who was married and the father of two, was shot in the upper back, the left chest and the lower center chest, and a bullet grazed his right arm. He died a short time later at a nearby hospital.

During the grand jury testimony, Conroy never reported that Zongo, a Burkina Faso native who spoke French and understood little English, said anything. The officer said several times that Zongo was "growling" at various points during the struggle.

After the shooting, Conroy said, "I couldn't believe what just happened. The last thing I wanted to do was shoot someone, much less kill anyone."

"I'm not a head hunter," Conroy continued. "I wanted to see the guy go home. I did what I did but he forced me to do it."

In his opening statement, Durastanti noted that the grand jury heard Conroy's testimony and indicted him.

There were no witnesses to the shooting, so the case turns on expert medical testimony, very little physical evidence, and whether the jury believes the defense.

On Thursday, Dr. Nancy S. Kwon, who examined Conroy in Bellevue Hospital's emergency room after the encounter with Zongo, testified that she did not see any injuries on Conroy and that he told her he was not hurt.

Conroy's lawyer, Stuart London, says Conroy had a red mark on his nose after the "life and death struggle" with Zongo over the officer's gun.

Conroy faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted. Trial resumes Tuesday at 9:30 a.m.

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http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--policeshooting0218feb18,0,2379034.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

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Jurors hear grand jury testimony of police officer in fatal shooting

NEW YORK -- Jurors heard grand jury testimony Friday in which a police officer on trial for fatally shooting an unarmed African repairman describes a violent struggle over his gun and his fear that he would be killed if he lost the fight.

Prosecutors had the testimony read to the jury in Manhattan State Supreme Court, where Officer Bryan Conroy is charged with first-degree manslaughter in the death of Ousmane Zongo, 43. They say Conroy recklessly caused Zongo's death by chasing him and shooting at him.

Conroy, 25, said the battle for his life began around 4 p.m. on May 22, 2003, after he saw a man while guarding a bin of counterfeit CDs and DVDs that Staten Island Task Force police had seized inside Manhattan's Chelsea Mini-Storage on West 27th Street.

Zongo, the man Conroy spotted, had a nearby bin where he kept and repaired African musical instruments and art objects.

Conroy said he wanted to question the man so he drew his gun, yelled that he was a police officer, and told the man not to move. But, the officer said, the man advanced on him at two different times and tried to take his gun.

The first time, Conroy testified, the man walked 35 feet toward him, tried to grab the gun, and then turned and ran. The second time, Conroy said, the man, after running from him, charged him and wrestled with him until the officer fired twice, hitting him.

"I got hit in the nose with his upper right shoulder," Conroy said. "We wrestled around. I'm trying to get this man off me because it's clear to me that this man wants my firearm. It's clear to me that if this man gets my gun, I'm dead."

After hitting Zongo with the first two shots, Conroy said, the wounded man backed off. The officer said he fired two more shots and Zongo fell.

Assistant District Attorney Armand Durastanti said Zongo, who was married and the father of two, was shot in the upper back, the left chest and the lower center chest, and a bullet grazed his right arm. He died a short time later at a nearby hospital.

During the grand jury testimony, Conroy never reported that Zongo, a Burkina Faso native who spoke French and understood little English, said anything. The officer said several times that Zongo was "growling" at various points during the struggle.

After the shooting, Conroy said, "I couldn't believe what just happened. The last thing I wanted to do was shoot someone, much less kill anyone."

"I'm not a head hunter," Conroy continued. "I wanted to see the guy go home. I did what I did but he forced me to do it."

In his opening statement, Durastanti noted that the grand jury heard Conroy's testimony and indicted him.

There were no witnesses to the shooting, so the case turns on expert medical testimony, very little physical evidence, and whether the jury believes the defense.

On Thursday, Dr. Nancy S. Kwon, who examined Conroy in Bellevue Hospital's emergency room after the encounter with Zongo, testified that she did not see any injuries on Conroy and that he told her he was not hurt.

Conroy's lawyer, Stuart London, says Conroy had a red mark on his nose after the "life and death struggle" with Zongo over the officer's gun.

Conroy faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted. Trial resumes Tuesday at 9:30 a.m.

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Dirty Murdering Pig Walks

Officer Lovelace, a former neighbor of mine, shot a mother of 3 from a semi-affluential area in the back of the arm (thru her heart) while she was driving away after trying pass a forged prescription at a Walgreen's. He was tried for 2nd degree murder after 3 witnesses and expert testimony substantiated that she was never driving toward him, but that he chased her from behind and shot her in the back of the arm, thru her heart.

Of course he was exonerated, like every good murdering pig will be, so will this one. Why the 2 extra shots? He fell back, but as the article states, there is only one person testifying; smart police work - dead people don't testify.

The reason pigs are generally exonerated is due to the fact that local and state governmental agencies want the pigs in their corner in the event of any civil unrest and exonerating them for killing people that don't matter is perfect for this. If the courts and general government were tough on cops who commit crime, some cops would wander over to the civilian sector when it comes to choosing sides.

Cops = King's henchmen

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So does anyone have anything useful, non-inflamitory, and not insane to add to the conversation?

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Looks like someone is certainly harboring a little bit of hate for the police....

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Of course he was exonerated, like every good murdering pig will be, so will this one. Why the 2 extra shots? He fell back, but as the article states, there is only one person testifying; smart police work - dead people don't testify.

I love how people also forget that these people are criminals that are running from the law.

Don't wanna get in trouble?

Don't break the law.

If you do break the law don't run, or try to kill a cop.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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murdering pig

Dude, I think it's great that you like to post inflammatory material identifying cops as pigs, or comparing America to the Nazis, or whatever else you post, but could you PLEASE not re-quote ENTIRE news articles or other lengthy posts unnecessarily?

Why force people to scroll through material repetitively when you could quite easily chop it down a little. Just think -- you could save a few pixels of phosphorus AND get your points across more effectively at the same time! Wow!

Your habit of re-quoting entire news articles and other material without cause is bad netiquette and a sign of plain old laziness.

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Maybe he just likes pissing people off.

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Where's the link to that Chris Rock instructional video when you really need it?

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Where the link to that Chris Rock instructional video when you really need it?

Yes, someone PLEASE link to it...I loved it, and have not been able to find it.

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http://www.erikhoover.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=16

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Looks like someone is certainly harboring a little bit of hate for the police....

Considering....

1. That same murdering pig, who was my neighbor, helped a real estate broker rob my house 8 days prior to murdering that lady. I spoke with the lovely man 3 days b4 he smoked her.

2. After the robbery ocurred, I tried to make a report with his pig station, they refused to hear it or even take it. No report - no crime.

3. I filed an internal invest report and spoke with an IA agent for 40 mins, he told me there was a crime committed, but that the prosecutor wouldn't act on it so why write it? He refused to write it.

4. The pig was allowed out on 50k bond for 2nd degree and felony child endangerment, which I believe was put up by the pig association. I know that his defense was paid for by the pig association to the tune of 40-50k with expert witnesses.

5. The police chief, who was a scumbag in his own right, was forced to retire after this pig's killing, his 2nd in as many years.

6. Now the victimized pig wants his job back and has filed a 1 million dollar suit against that very chief, the prosecutor, the city, the county, and about 13 of his fellow cops that made statements against him at trial or on docs.

7. The city is mulling it over, but protesting it very adamently.

Oh, and the AZ police Licensing board refused to revoke anything, so the 2 time killer could be hired with a different agency now.

Do you get it? Is it this murdering pig? Is it this state? Is it the courts? Was it the jury? It's pretty much all of it - this pig love or fear is what allows these killings to go on. Conservatives, who often love the pigs, often talk of personal responsibility - let's see it.

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Of course he was exonerated, like every good murdering pig will be, so will this one. Why the 2 extra shots? He fell back, but as the article states, there is only one person testifying; smart police work - dead people don't testify.

I love how people also forget that these people are criminals that are running from the law.

Don't wanna get in trouble?

Don't break the law.

If you do break the law don't run, or try to kill a cop.

I love how people also forget that these people are criminals that are running from the law.

And many criminals run the law.

If you do break the law don't run, or try to kill a cop.

Run and be killed/murdered.

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And many criminals run the law.

Your opinon and it is based off of a personal experince that you clearly are deeply personally involved in...You have used this same story (With no proof) several times.

You assume that if one cop is bad they all are.

That is false thinking.

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Run and be killed/murdered

Unlike you, I have no problem with criminals caught in the act who refuse to surrender being shot.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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murdering pig

Dude, I think it's great that you like to post inflammatory material identifying cops as pigs, or comparing America to the Nazis, or whatever else you post, but could you PLEASE not re-quote ENTIRE news articles or other lengthy posts unnecessarily?

Why force people to scroll through material repetitively when you could quite easily chop it down a little. Just think -- you could save a few pixels of phosphorus AND get your points across more effectively at the same time! Wow!

Your habit of re-quoting entire news articles and other material without cause is bad netiquette and a sign of plain old laziness.

I'll tell ya what, to ease yer pain I'll omit from the quoted text what I post as a quote in bold. To me, it makes reading the quote and my reply easier for the reader when I post quotes in bold - it shows contrast.

Your habit of re-quoting entire news articles and other material without cause is bad netiquette and a sign of plain old laziness.

When I reply I don't read the entire post, just take each a sentence or paragraph at a time so as to keep things in context. I posted that last sentence promising to remove from the quote what I post in bold b4 I read this insult, so I will keep doing it the way Ihave been.

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Maybe he just likes pissing people off.

Not at all. I can post details of our city's murderer if you like the details. Why not reply to substance of police immunity from the law? Isn't that 1/2 of what this issue is about; cops shooting people and will they be exonerated?

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One would think that after the Abner Louima and Amadou Diallo cases that the cops would be more careful.

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One would think that after the Abner Louima and Amadou Diallo cases that the cops would be more careful.

Why would one think that after the pigs were let go? That's what I mean, the courts refuse to side with the people so as to keep the pigs on their side.

For all that don't know, the Louima case involves out our lovely pigs in blue (NY in this case) shoving a toilet plunger up the ass of this suspect as an interogative technique. I wonder if lawrocket wants punitive damages capped for civil cases now?

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And many criminals run the law.

Your opinon and it is based off of a personal experince that you clearly are deeply personally involved in...You have used this same story (With no proof) several times.

You assume that if one cop is bad they all are.

That is false thinking.

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Run and be killed/murdered

Unlike you, I have no problem with criminals caught in the act who refuse to surrender being shot.

Unlike you, I have no problem with criminals caught in the act who refuse to surrender being shot.

Even for misdemeanor flight? This mother of 3, with a 1-year old in the back seat was gunned down because she fled after she was likely going to be cited for passing a false prescription, a misdemeanor. And Ron might remark as to the decay of society, well Ron, mommies getting shot intheback by our pigs in blue in witnessed by our future generations, who will in turn grow up with this message.

Your opinon and it is based off of a personal experince that you clearly are deeply personally involved in...

It's based upon a lifetime of experiences and I'm not anywhere close to a criminal. I'm a process server and am going to be a nurse, so I'm continually having NCIC checks done. I work in aviation, so I'm continually donating piss for testing. I went to Comm College and ASU for a BS in Justice, where I was fortunate enough to sit with mostly pigs and pig wanna-bee's who laughed at the same Constitution you guys brag about. Don't wanna beleive me, OK. They were especially critical of the 4th, that goes w/o saying. But if it ws there liberty or privacy on the block... well, that's different.

You have used this same story (With no proof) several times.


If I were going to make it up I would do better thna this.

http://www.ahwatukee.com/afn/community/articles/021108a.html

http://arizona.indymedia.org/print.php?id=4228

http://the_phoenix_news.tripod.com/ib100058.html

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0124evlovelace-ON.html

AND LOVELACE'S SUIT AGINST ALL THE PEOPLE I TOLD ABOUT:

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/civil/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CV2004-092518

- of course no attorney would touch it -

HIS 1ST CRIMINAL TRIAL, THROWN OUT ON A GRNAD JURY TECHNICALITY

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/criminal/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2002-099534

HIS ACTUAL TRIAL WHERE HE WAS ACQUITTED

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/criminal/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2003-015458


You assume that if one cop is bad they all are.

Some of his buddies are reported to call him, "Lovelace the lowlife." But they pretty much all support the notion of police immunity from criminal prosecution, which does make them generally bad. I have met a couple bright spots in law enforcement, but most enjoy the immunity.

BTW, this is Chandler's finest - rookie of the year. But that was 4 years before his first killing.

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Looks like someone is certainly harboring a little bit of hate for the police....

Considering....

1. That same murdering pig, who was my neighbor, helped a real estate broker rob my house 8 days prior to murdering that lady. I spoke with the lovely man 3 days b4 he smoked her.

2. After the robbery ocurred, I tried to make a report with his pig station, they refused to hear it or even take it. No report - no crime.

3. I filed an internal invest report and spoke with an IA agent for 40 mins, he told me there was a crime committed, but that the prosecutor wouldn't act on it so why write it? He refused to write it.

4. The pig was allowed out on 50k bond for 2nd degree and felony child endangerment, which I believe was put up by the pig association. I know that his defense was paid for by the pig association to the tune of 40-50k with expert witnesses.

5. The police chief, who was a scumbag in his own right, was forced to retire after this pig's killing, his 2nd in as many years.

6. Now the victimized pig wants his job back and has filed a 1 million dollar suit against that very chief, the prosecutor, the city, the county, and about 13 of his fellow cops that made statements against him at trial or on docs.

7. The city is mulling it over, but protesting it very adamently.

Oh, and the AZ police Licensing board refused to revoke anything, so the 2 time killer could be hired with a different agency now.

Do you get it? Is it this murdering pig? Is it this state? Is it the courts? Was it the jury? It's pretty much all of it - this pig love or fear is what allows these killings to go on. Conservatives, who often love the pigs, often talk of personal responsibility - let's see it.

Oops.. I must have forgot. If one is bad, they're all bad. I'll try to get it right next time.

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Even for misdemeanor flight?

I have no problem with criminals being shot.

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This mother of 3, with a 1-year old in the back seat was gunned down because she fled after she was likely going to be cited for passing a false prescription, a misdemeanor

then if it was such a small offense maybe she should not have fled?

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well Ron, mommies getting shot intheback by our pigs in blue in witnessed by our future generations, who will in turn grow up with this message.

Good, the message should be "Break the law, pay the price."

The other message is the one you are giving..."All cops are bad, and crime is never your fault."..

I'd rather they learn the first one.

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It's based upon a lifetime of experiences and I'm not anywhere close to a criminal

You are still close to this case since you always use it....

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so I'm continually having NCIC checks done. I work in aviation, so I'm continually donating piss for testing.

Like any of this matters? I hold a secret clearance. Whoop-de-do. I also have a 10 year check, work in aviation, and pissed just last mth. agin this qualifies me for bupkiss.

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I went to Comm College and ASU for a BS in Justice, where I was fortunate enough to sit with mostly pigs and pig wanna-bee's who laughed at the same Constitution you guys brag about.

See you think all cops are bad. No point in trying to have adiscussion with you since you already know it all.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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So does anyone have anything useful, non-inflamitory, and not insane to add to the conversation?

LOL

Ok a few things that step out from this report:



1 - Conroy said he wanted to question the man so he drew his gun

Is this how you normally begin a line of questioning?

2- The first time, Conroy testified, the man walked 35 feet toward him, tried to grab the gun, and then turned and ran. The second time, Conroy said, the man, after running from him, charged him and wrestled with him until the officer fired twice, hitting him.

This makes no sense....why WALK over to someone, grab their gun (or attempt to do something so stupid as that) and then run away and THEN RUN BACK AND CHARGE HIM??

3 - "I got hit in the nose with his upper right shoulder," Conroy said. "We wrestled around. I'm trying to get this man off me because it's clear to me that this man wants my firearm."

Why did he draw the gun in the first place, if he wanted to question someone?

4 - After hitting Zongo with the first two shots, Conroy said, the wounded man backed off. The officer said he fired two more shots and Zongo fell.

Why shoot twice more if someone is backing off?


5 - After the shooting, Conroy said, "I couldn't believe what just happened. The last thing I wanted to do was shoot someone, much less kill anyone."


Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.


6 - On Thursday, Dr. Nancy S. Kwon, who examined Conroy in Bellevue Hospital's emergency room after the encounter with Zongo, testified that she did not see any injuries on Conroy and that he told her he was not hurt.

But i thought he sustained injuries?

8 - Conroy's lawyer, Stuart London, says Conroy had a red mark on his nose after the "life and death struggle" with Zongo over the officer's gun.

Where was this redmark according to the medical examination? Why was it not documented?


The facts just don;t add up here....

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I have no problem with criminals being shot.

Even on the far right I find it hard to justify the death of a mother because she passed a fake prescription. What happens if a kid lifts an apple from a market store - shoot him in the back of the head? Parking tickets - compulsary death penalty? Man - I wouldn't want to live in that world.

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Even on the far right I find it hard to justify the death of a mother because she passed a fake prescription. What happens if a kid lifts an apple from a market store - shoot him in the back of the head? Parking tickets - compulsary death penalty? Man - I wouldn't want to live in that world.

If you believe the "far right" subscribes to a criminal punishment system as described above, then the name of your world would be "fantasyland".

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I have no problem with criminals being shot.

Even on the far right I find it hard to justify the death of a mother because she passed a fake prescription. What happens if a kid lifts an apple from a market store - shoot him in the back of the head? Parking tickets - compulsary death penalty? Man - I wouldn't want to live in that world.

And what if the 1-year old was killed that was in the back seat of her car? Would the poor pig's ego justify that too? He testified he knew the infant was back there, so he pointed at the woman's chest. Question is, how did he shoot her in the back of the arm, going thru her heart. The defense attny claimed the time delay between the point where he decided to shoot and the point of the shot was why the delay. So if he's that clouded that he can't change his mind as to whether or not to shoot then he shouldn't be a pig. Truth is, 3 witnesses testified that the pig ran after the fleeing car and drew and shot as her charged from behind the car.

Now the question is about how I know that, must have heard it on the news, news is all liberal...blaaa-de-blaa-blaa... I watched 3 days of the trial in person and was filled in by others there while I wasn't there, but I did watch the witnesses testify.

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Even on the far right I find it hard to justify the death of a mother because she passed a fake prescription. What happens if a kid lifts an apple from a market store - shoot him in the back of the head? Parking tickets - compulsary death penalty? Man - I wouldn't want to live in that world.

If you believe the "far right" subscribes to a criminal punishment system as described above, then the name of your world would be "fantasyland".

Then show me some far righters critical of the pig function. Hell, they get all pissy when I refer to cops as pigs.... semantics, who cares?

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The police are there to enforce our laws. If they fail to abide by them, then they should be subjected to the same consequences as everyone else. I think all repubs and dems would agree with that. If some cop robbed you, and his station nor IA would listen to you, your responsibility as a citizen should lead you to your state's bureau of investigation, then the FBI or to a private attorney to act on your behalf.