Zep 0 #1 February 18, 2005 Now as of midnight in the UK no more fox hunts the animal rights people have won, I hope they are happy, their win is a death sentance for hundreds of fox hounds these dogs cannot be turned into pets so they will have to be shot all for the sake of a couple of dozen foxes Blair makes me sick. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JesseP 0 #2 February 18, 2005 So why not turn hunting your fox hounds into a sport? Sounds like the only logical solution to me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #3 February 18, 2005 > So why not turn hunting your fox hounds into a sport? Good point! Set em free, give them a five minute head start, and then mount up and go after them! Might have to prod them with something to get them running first, but that's doable. Hey, if they're so vicious they can't be around people, you'd be doing society a favor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #4 February 18, 2005 QuoteSo why not turn hunting your fox hounds into a sport? Sounds like the only logical solution to me We could'nt do that. That would be cruel. But we could use them for hunting polititians an animal rights people Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 February 19, 2005 Dogs and cats rank just slightly higher than humans on the value scale for those activists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #6 February 19, 2005 They are not vicious, just not pet material, An I'll do society a favour. I'll ask Tonto to introduce you to a Ridgeback an we'll see if you can run Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #7 February 19, 2005 Get even, go out and lamp a dozen foxes tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #8 February 19, 2005 >I'll ask Tonto to introduce you to a Ridgeback an we'll see if you can run . . Had a friend who was a vet who had a Rhodesian Ridgeback. Beautiful animal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #9 February 19, 2005 QuoteGet even, go out and lamp a dozen foxes tonight. No I could'nt do that. thats no sporting. It's a bit of a catch 22. Foxes are legitimate prey for the hunter. When I lived in the rural SW of England I rescued more than one fox from a snare I would heal it's leg an let it go, But then while out shooting if I saw a fox it would be fair game an get shot.or I'd miss What I feel is unfair is that all those poor mutts have to die just because a group of people who no nothing about the countryside an have decided it's cruel to hunt foxes with dogs edit: spelling and missed words Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #10 February 19, 2005 >We could'nt do that. That would be cruel. But tearing wild foxes apart isn't? They are both canines. If you think that hunting foxes is wrong but hunting dogs (dogs that no one cares about enough to take as a pet) isn't, there's something wrong with your values system. If you're going to hunt foxes, admit to yourself what you're doing. You're killing animals that are every bit as intelligent and capable of feeling pain as dogs are. Which, honestly, is OK with me. Killing another hundred dogs a year is nothing compared to the 6-7 million dogs that get euthanized every year in the UK. Whether they die in a gas chamber, or by a hunter's bullet, doesn't matter all that much in the end. Just don't start with some nonsense about how hunting foxes is noble and hunting dogs is evil. >What I feel is unfair is that all those poor mutts have to die just >because a group of people who no nothing about the countryside >an have decided it's cruel to hunt foxes with dogs No more unfair than all those foxes that have to die. A canine is a canine. Whether it's an unwanted dog or a fox in your sights, you're killing basically the same animal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #11 February 19, 2005 Quote>I'll ask Tonto to introduce you to a Ridgeback an we'll see if you can run . . Had a friend who was a vet who had a Rhodesian Ridgeback. Beautiful animal. You know what I ment. Pity they are a banned dog in England and other European countries and yes a well trained Ridgeback or doggo are beautiful animals Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #12 February 19, 2005 Quote>We could'nt do that. That would be cruel. But tearing wild foxes apart isn't? They are both canines. If you think that hunting foxes is wrong but hunting dogs (dogs that no one cares about enough to take as a pet) isn't, there's something wrong with your values system. If you're going to hunt foxes, admit to yourself what you're doing. You're killing animals that are every bit as intelligent and capable of feeling pain as dogs are. Which, honestly, is OK with me. Killing another hundred dogs a year is nothing compared to the 6-7 million dogs that get every year in the UK. Whether they die in a gas chamber, or by a hunter's bullet, doesn't matter all that much in the end. Just don't start with some nonsense about how hunting foxes is noble and hunting dogs is evil. The British hunt is a bit of a joke in as much as actually catching foxes, it's more of a social get togeather These people have a good time riding across the country side with the dogs, which by the way normally do not kill the fox it's shot by the hunt master. The fox is clasified as vermin. The dog is a protected animal, Have you ever tried training a fox. I have its a no go.The dogs that are euthanized are euthanized because their owners were not fit to own them. The hunt dogs create employment or created employment. Any way I'm not going to argue with you because at the end of the day the labour party wants votes an the anti blood sports have more votes than the landed gentry so the dogs die. Blair gets his votes his wife can be queen of downing street for another 4 years, an the dogs are dead next year she'll probably have a new coat made out of fox hound hair As for me I'm a ex pat in Spain, now I'm hunting wild boar, unless you object. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #13 February 19, 2005 FOX HUNTING, what a crock of shit. One little fox, a pack of hungry hounds and a shitload of rich, drunk , pompous assholes on horses. That is not hunting. I hunt whitetail. I spend time looking for rubs and scrapes during the rut. I am in the woods two hours before the sun is up. I will walk for miles to get to my spot. When I see my deer I shoot, kill, field dress it, haul it out, take it home and eat it. I only kill for food not for fun. Really, it is not much fun freezing your butt off for hours on end and not, at times, see a single deer all day. Fox hunting is purely a bloodlust sport and not very sporting at that."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #14 February 19, 2005 "Blair makes me sick. " Well, if you don't like it, move away...ah, you've already done that, so why are you still whingeing?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #15 February 19, 2005 QuoteWhat I feel is unfair is that all those poor mutts have to die just because a group of people who no nothing about the countryside an have decided it's cruel to hunt foxes with dogs I'm guessing that "The Daily Mail" is the only "news"papaer to make it out to where you live! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4279065.stm covers what's still legal. Like Drag-Hunting for example! There's absolutely NO reason for the fox-hunting culture to collapse. Personally, the vixen that lives about 200yards away from me doesn't cause me any problems. What WOULD cause me problems is a hunt deciding to chase her through my garden with the hounds fighting with my dogs & over-excited horses carrying under-intelligent inbreds near my kids!!! At least with a drag-hunt (one where an artificial trail is laid by a human"fox) the route and the land it crosses can be controlled, and it can stay the hell away from me. Mike. Edited to add: QuoteYou know what I ment. Pity they (Rhodesian Ridgebacks) are a banned dog in England Err... http://www.rhodesianridgebacks.org/ Thends to suggest that Ridgebacks ARE NOT banned. Maybe it was a misprint in the Spanish Edition of The Daily Faschist!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #16 February 19, 2005 At the end of the day passing this law was just a joke. It is not going to do anything for the welfare of the fox, they will still get hunted in one way or another. The thing that bothers me most is that our joke of a government has spent over 270 hours on this subject which could have been spent on much more pressing issues like the health care, education and the environment. Also policing this new law is just going to cause more and more problems, taking officers away from the real crime out there and filling our courts. Whether you think fox hunting is morally right or wrong makes no diffence here, there are no winners in passing this law. What also annoys the living shit out of me is that so many people have had such strong views about this subject and have spent so much time and effort in expressing them when there are far more important issues that the goverment needs pressuring on. You never see these people getting on the streets and protesting about the incompetence of our government to run the NHS or education systems do you? Waste of fucking time. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #17 February 19, 2005 QuoteAt the end of the day passing this law was just a joke. It is not going to do anything for the welfare of the fox, they will still get hunted in one way or another. The thing that bothers me most is that our joke of a government has spent over 270 hours on this subject which could have been spent on much more pressing issues like the health care, education and the environment. Look on the bright side, at least they didn't spend that much time trying to find out if your leader got a hummer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #18 February 19, 2005 Quote Err... http://www.rhodesianridgebacks.org/ Thends to suggest that Ridgebacks ARE NOT banned. Maybe it was a misprint in the Spanish Edition of The Daily Faschist!? Mike. Sorry my bad I thought they were banned Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #19 February 19, 2005 QuoteLook on the bright side, at least they didn't spend that much time trying to find out if your leader got a hummer! Hahaha good point! Damn you Americans, always have to go one better don't you. I heard from someone today that during the 270 hours they spent wasting their time on the hunting ban they spent only 6 hours on Iraq!! How fucked up is that, if the info I got is correct. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #20 February 19, 2005 >The fox is clasified as vermin. The dog is a protected animal. . . . And now so is the fox! >Have you ever tried training a fox. Well, no, but I've trained rats, and they're about as vermin as you can get. But they're also amazingly smart and kinda fun once trained. >so the dogs die. My question is - if someone wants these dogs, why kill them? If their owners want to feed them and keep them in a kennel, then they should do so. If they want to kill them, then do so. Even hunt them, if the hunting is the fun part. But outlawing fox hunting has zero to do with killing dogs. It sounds like "oh the poor dogs that must die!" is the same sort of sentimental claptrap that the other side is using - "oh the poor foxes that are killed!" Neither has to die unless people want to kill them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #21 February 19, 2005 QuotePity they are a banned dog in England and other European countries Eh? The one I meet some days when walking our dogs doesnt appear to know that's banned... and a gorgeous beast she is too, really friendly... nice dog. Whoops sorry already sorted.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #22 February 19, 2005 The fox has not become a protected animal, it can still be hunted. The ban on local hunt will in my opinion be worse for the fox as farmers now will turn to using more "snares" which are legal. Terrible for the animal but legal all the same. The snare has to be checked within 48 hours of setting it, plenty of time for an animal to chew it's leg off Some people are going to lose their jobs and tied houses in area's of high unemployment Other small countryside industries will suffer, like the pheasant or grouse shoot ie: a growth in the fox population will see the reduction of other wild life > My question is - if someone wants these dogs, why kill them? The hunt dog has been reared to hunt so cannot be turned into a pet The upkeep of these dogs is expensive, now with no hunt the dogs have to go remember these dogs had one purpose in life to hunt foxes. Question answered. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #23 February 19, 2005 QuoteQuotePity they are a banned dog in England and other European countries Eh? The one I meet some days when walking our dogs doesnt appear to know that's banned... and a gorgeous beast she is too, really friendly... nice dog. Whoops sorry already sorted.... Yeah I got the Japenese dog mixed up with the Ridgeback Can't work out why the dogo is banned it's a friendly dog as well personally I'd ban Yorkshire terriers, snappy little buggers Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #24 February 19, 2005 What's surprising to me: Nobody is talking about a possible increase of rabies... or don't you have it on the Islands? OK OK, I could do a Google search.. Foxes > rabies: that's so close together. For us over here it still is a big issue and it's danger should not be underestimated. I shot several foxes and it was always a big story with removing skin, wearing masks, gloves.... When watching those pretty animals hunting mice, I still have troubles to shoot at them. But if necessary, I do it. 2 km from to my home, there is a cemetry. 2 years ago, some hunters and me were going over there to shoot foxes. There were too much. Incredible how close and in which quantities they live to houses, even in big cities, they are masters of surviving. Pretty creatures, but I think they have to be controlled. In which way, that depends on the country. I am not for banning fox hunting. That's nonsense. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #25 February 19, 2005 Quote What's surprising to me: Nobody is talking about a possible increase of rabies... or don't you have it on the Islands? Christel Hi Christel, We are lucky. Being an island we have managed to eradicate rabies, and we work hard at keeping it out. That's why we have the strict quarantine laws & pet passports. That was actually one of the big arguments against the Channel Tunnel - How to make sure no rabies-infected animal could use it! In the meantime, what this law bans is using packs of hounds to hunt foxes. That suits me. I had one "run-in" with a hunt some years ago! Let's just say that any future hunt that comes near me & mine is going to be met with a suitable hammer for their hounds & horses! I intensely dislike the arrogant bastards who think they can go where they wish and do as they wish while hunting a fox! Obviously I fully support the new law. Mike. Edited to add: The short version of main UK Dog Legislation is at: http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/domestic/dogs.htm Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
