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"My first thought is to put a homing beacon up each of their asses... but thats probably not right..."
Yeah, I'd agree with you Josh, not all the folks were nabbed in Afghanistan though.
EG Bisher al-Rawi an Iraqi with UK residency---nabbed in Gambia.
Jamil al-Banna, a Jordanian with refugee status living in the UK--- nabbed in Gambia.
Shaker Abdur-Raheem Aamer, a Saudi nabbed in Aghanistan.
Omar Deghayes--a Libyan refugee living in the UK nabbed in Pakistan.
"What have we done about the ones that we have released to their home countries that turned around and released them?"
I can only speak for those that were repatriated to the UK, they were released as there was no evidence to charge them. In many cases it is not known why they were nabbed in the first place. We have a policy of not repatriating refugees to countries where they face torture or the death sentence, so its what we call a bit a of a sticky wicket.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really believe all these guys are whiter than white, the problem is following due process, with robust evidence.
IMHO, the whole process of handling repatriates (real word?), and refugees needs a good coat of looking at.
My guess is that these guys will be being watched pretty closely though.
Yeah, I'd agree with you Josh, not all the folks were nabbed in Afghanistan though.
EG Bisher al-Rawi an Iraqi with UK residency---nabbed in Gambia.
Jamil al-Banna, a Jordanian with refugee status living in the UK--- nabbed in Gambia.
Shaker Abdur-Raheem Aamer, a Saudi nabbed in Aghanistan.
Omar Deghayes--a Libyan refugee living in the UK nabbed in Pakistan.
"What have we done about the ones that we have released to their home countries that turned around and released them?"
I can only speak for those that were repatriated to the UK, they were released as there was no evidence to charge them. In many cases it is not known why they were nabbed in the first place. We have a policy of not repatriating refugees to countries where they face torture or the death sentence, so its what we call a bit a of a sticky wicket.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really believe all these guys are whiter than white, the problem is following due process, with robust evidence.
IMHO, the whole process of handling repatriates (real word?), and refugees needs a good coat of looking at.
My guess is that these guys will be being watched pretty closely though.
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
jdhill 0
Obviously, its not a one size fits all, but it does fit the majority... those capured in other places should be looked at on a case by case basis... but the ones captured in Afganistan should be turned back over to that government, no matter what country they are from...
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J
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke
"but the ones captured in Afganistan should be turned back over to that government, no matter what country they are from..."
We can't, not if they face the death penalty in Afghanistan, there's no point in having no death penalty and exporting our criminals for punsihment, might as well save the air fare and hang them in Gitmo.
A lot of other countries have the same policy, its a similar situation if we decide to revoke any permits visas etc.
Like I said, this all needs a good review, our legislation wasn't devised with this situation in mind.
Me? I'd just turn them loose in Texas.......
We can't, not if they face the death penalty in Afghanistan, there's no point in having no death penalty and exporting our criminals for punsihment, might as well save the air fare and hang them in Gitmo.
A lot of other countries have the same policy, its a similar situation if we decide to revoke any permits visas etc.
Like I said, this all needs a good review, our legislation wasn't devised with this situation in mind.
Me? I'd just turn them loose in Texas.......
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
jdhill 0
If we called them POWs there would be no question about it... at normalization of relations, you return the POWs... we have not charged them with anything, so they are not our criminals... but they might be theirs, we don't know... and the US does not have a prohibition of returning someone that may face a death penanlty... and the other thing, they are not refugees, at least not in the US... they are detainees and illegal combatants... if they are terrorists, charge them, if not, send them back.
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke
Me? I'd just turn them loose in Texas.......
Brilliant!
Texans would clean up the "mess",No problemaMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004
Trent 0
We can't, not if they face the death penalty in Afghanistan, there's no point in having no death penalty and exporting our criminals for punsihment, might as well save the air fare and hang them in Gitmo.
Or you could look at that particular policy another way, the non-activist (meaning governmentst who are opposed to the DP), take-responsibility-for-yourself way. If someone does something that could get them the death penalty in country A, they should either do whatever they were going to do somewhere else that won't execute them, or face the consequences when they get caught. Of course, that wouldn't apply to REAL refugees, who are innocent. But WTF, kill someone here, then run to GB and they won't extradite if the death penalty is possible?
These guys who DO face trial in the countries where they were picked up, should be returned to those countries with all the evidence we have on them. Let Afghanistan decide if they want to use them to clear minefields or not.
Oh, hello again!
JohnRich 4
I don't suppose there's any chance of a mass escape attempt through the minefield between gitmo and the rest of cuba?
Hey, now that gives me an idea! Remember how Castro emptied his prisons a few decades ago and dumped all his criminals on our shores?
Well, this is a prime opportunity for payback!
wmw999 2,567
Now that's funny
Wendy W.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
"But WTF, kill someone here, then run to GB and they won't extradite if the death penalty is possible?"
Yep, as fucked up as it sounds, Trent, thats the way it is. We can extradite as long as countries promise not to invoke capital punishment. I'm sure MrM2 knows more on the details.
Of course, if someone is wanted, or on the run, they may not even get past emigration, the security services are getting better in this regard. Then there is the thorny issue of covert kidnappings and subsequent extradition, that I'm quite sure goes on fairly regularly.
Like I said, its not just GB that does this, almost every country that doesn't uphold the death penalty has a similar approach.
Yep, as fucked up as it sounds, Trent, thats the way it is. We can extradite as long as countries promise not to invoke capital punishment. I'm sure MrM2 knows more on the details.
Of course, if someone is wanted, or on the run, they may not even get past emigration, the security services are getting better in this regard. Then there is the thorny issue of covert kidnappings and subsequent extradition, that I'm quite sure goes on fairly regularly.
Like I said, its not just GB that does this, almost every country that doesn't uphold the death penalty has a similar approach.
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
rhino 0
My first thought is to put a homing beacon up each of their asses... but thats probably not right...
If we sould do it to fat bastard we can do it to the Taliban!!
gitmo and the rest of cuba?
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