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craddock 0
QuoteExactly that f****ing attitude makes me shiver,
as it's given to every next generation. Access to weapons is so easy for US kids, incredible. They grow up with that f-ing attitude, that's for sure.
I really feel sorry for you that your perception of the US makes you shiver. Hell- I live over here and it does not bother me. I am around people with guns quite a bit. At the range, hunting, out in my familes back yard shooting. I would be more concerned with a police officer with a Firearm on his side exposed than I would a responsible citizen carying a conceled weapon. It does not bother me one bit.
My 11 year old brother in law has a gun safe in his bedroom
I will lay good money that that kid can handle a weapon with more confidence than yourself and be as safe as anyone you know. Not to mention you likely don't stand a chance on a round of trap(clay's) against him. You should see him shoot his REM. 700 .300 Ultra short mag. He says it doesn't hurt but you just know better. Not one person in that household considers guns as a self- defense weapon. It is not even on the list. We just like to shoot and hunt.
Yes access to guns may be easy for kids. At least it will be for my kids, I will give them their first guns.
QuoteBTW: Could it be anxiety that keeps US citizens away from shoving their nose of the plate edge, i.e. travel around, visiting other parts of the world? As they have to do this w/o carrying a hand-gun? Could be an explanation to me, somehow. Shocked
I would say it has a whole lot to do with the attitudes such as yours toward Americans and their lifestyles. I myself am in no hurry to travel to Germany if your attitude is indicitive of the german population.
QuoteMy son is preparing himself for the usual WE clubbing, starting late tonight. I am so happy, he does not need to arm himself for that.
How many times are you going to use that same line? It is Friday and I will go out somewhere for a little bit with no fear. If you really think your son could not feel safe over here at late night without a gun you have a really mixed up perception of the US. That is what I meant by a fucking stupid attitude. It is exactly that. Have you been over here and witnessed all the violence you talk about so much. Come on over. Chicago is a beautiful city. See for yourself
QuoteI agree. That's exactly the impression left in me after reading tons of statements made by gun-loving posters on this site
btw if you are using the attitudes of "gun-loving posters on this site" to deem the US unsafe, you really need to spend a couple of months over here. I can't speak much for Texas but the rest ain't so bad.
You worry way to much just because some of the skydivers here in SC feel the need to arm themselves daily. I could give a shit. I am just glad they have the right to do so.
You Christel are more likely to get hurt from you own stress than a bullet from an American owned gun, even if you move here.
Please come visit,
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
QuoteI can't speak much for Texas but the rest ain't so bad.
Texas ain't bad either. I've lived here my entire life, been around guns for most of it, and have yet to see a gun used in a crime.
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btw if you are using the attitudes of "gun-loving posters on this site" to deem the US unsafe, you really need to spend a couple of months over here.
I can only recall only one or two times when I actually felt unsafe anywhere in the US. Both were in certain areas of either dallas or ft. worth very late at night.
Where some of these people get the idea that people in the US walk around all day shooting things I don't know.
wmw999 2,588
There have been a lot of posts even on these forums about the need for guns to defend one's self, and the danger of life without guns.
Since the people who write those things are virtually all in the US, it's not surprising that people from outside the country hear that and wonder if it's safe.
I don't own any guns right now. I certainly don't ever want to live somewhere that requires a gun for personal protection. I'm 50, and I've never needed a gun. I used to target shoot; it's just not a priority.
And I feel no need to make my priority a general need. Just because something is important to me doesn't make it inherently more important than if it were silly to me an important to others.
Wendy W.
Since the people who write those things are virtually all in the US, it's not surprising that people from outside the country hear that and wonder if it's safe.
I don't own any guns right now. I certainly don't ever want to live somewhere that requires a gun for personal protection. I'm 50, and I've never needed a gun. I used to target shoot; it's just not a priority.
And I feel no need to make my priority a general need. Just because something is important to me doesn't make it inherently more important than if it were silly to me an important to others.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
HiCraddock,
I will not go and use the "quote" for each and every answer, that's just boring.
In general, I understood what you said. In general, you understood what I outlined several times.
If you tell me, this little guy of 11 years -your brother- has a gun in his bed room - Holy Moses, that's no more normal to me. Why do we - parents, I am a mother - try to protect our kids from potential dangers, hot oven, electricity, running over the street w/o watching the traffic - if there are folks like you letting those little kids with guns around? Lord, I'd just call every guardian angel for your little brother, dear.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
I will not go and use the "quote" for each and every answer, that's just boring.
In general, I understood what you said. In general, you understood what I outlined several times.
If you tell me, this little guy of 11 years -your brother- has a gun in his bed room - Holy Moses, that's no more normal to me. Why do we - parents, I am a mother - try to protect our kids from potential dangers, hot oven, electricity, running over the street w/o watching the traffic - if there are folks like you letting those little kids with guns around? Lord, I'd just call every guardian angel for your little brother, dear.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
craddock 0
QuoteThere have been a lot of posts even on these forums about the need for guns to defend one's self, and the danger of life without guns.
I have not read these posts and came to the same conclusion as you.(except from a guy in Texas). Mostly what I have read talks about their right to use a gun to defend themselves. Even those who carry mostly have said they might never need it but want to be prepared just in case. That's a far cry from the "need for guns to defend one's self, and the danger of life without guns." A far far cry, but those that don't believe in CCW or owning a weapon for self protection put a spin on everything. Whether it is intentional or not I think varies from person to person. I think some people really are that naive about our culture, others just hate guns out of ingorance and purposely spin it. Not sure about you.
One things for sure though, some people don't eat enough meat.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteI think some people really are that naive about our culture, others just hate guns out of ingorance and purposely spin it. Not sure about you.
because there only are those two options.
One things for sure though, some people don't eat enough meat.
Hahaha, thats too funny, mate. You somewhere read about vegearians? Oh yeah, I am one. But love to go for hunting with my own weapons, yep
If you would ever have a look on me you would not say: She needs to eat meat. I grew up to proper 175 cm at 140 (European) pounds. But I always would avoid the wonderful fast food the Americans love so much
dudeist skydiver # 3105
craddock 0
QuoteIf you tell me, this little guy of 11 years -your brother- has a gun in his bed room - Holy Moses, that's no more normal to me. Why do we - parents, I am a mother - try to protect our kids from potential dangers, hot oven, electricity, running over the street w/o watching the traffic - if there are folks like you letting those little kids with guns around? Lord, I'd just call every guardian angel for your little brother, dear.
I hope your sitting down for this, but besides owning a gun, he is allowed to use the oven, use electricity, and cross the street all by himself! He is not however allowed to run around with guns for the hell of it. Nowhere did I ever say that. 50 - 100 years ago it would never have been that big of deal for a kid to go out rabbit or squirrel hunting with his dog. I have a friend in Tennesee that has an 8 year old. He has already killed two dear and a turkey, hunting with his dad at his side(1st one when he was 7).
For a 12 year old to go out on his Grandpa's land hunting squirel is not that big of deal. Not for this kid it's not anyway. He has more gun smarts than most adults. Why- Education. That's how we protect our kids from dangers.
No offence to you, but since I really don't know you I would feel much more comfortable around him with guns than yourself or anyone else who may not be exposed to guns much.
Now I do know that you hunt so you are somewhat familar with guns. You did once make a comment that makes me wonder how comfortable you are around guns. You said something along the lines of having to go out by yourslf every year before hunting to handle and learn how to be safe with every different gun. Something to the effect that it takes a lot of time with every different gun to be safe before you go in the woods. I really don't understant that. Most guns are very simple to operate. There are only a handful of actions and types of feed. Other than practicing for accuracy, you should not need to become acquainted with a gun again for a lengthy period just to learn how to handle it. Surely not if you have been handling firearms since you were young.
So you go ahead and worry about an 11 year old with a gun, and I will worry about you with one. Fair enough?
Please, I have no insult intended. Just trying to get my point across although our cultures may be to far apart for that to work.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
Thx. Your post is appreciated.
You are right: I used to talk about my guns. But this is not in the connection with present thread. My man, my big son are not interested in hunting and skydiving. But I am. I enjoy to be a hunter but, have troubles to see a boy of 11 yrs playing with any deadly weapon. No excuse on that, it's just my opinion. I protect my child against any possible dangers, and then, let it play with a gun? No.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
You are right: I used to talk about my guns. But this is not in the connection with present thread. My man, my big son are not interested in hunting and skydiving. But I am. I enjoy to be a hunter but, have troubles to see a boy of 11 yrs playing with any deadly weapon. No excuse on that, it's just my opinion. I protect my child against any possible dangers, and then, let it play with a gun? No.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
wmw999 2,588
QuoteA far far cry, but those that don't believe in CCW or owning a weapon for self protection put a spin on everything. Whether it is intentional or not I think varies from person to person. I think some people really are that naive about our culture, others just hate guns out of ingorance and purposely spin it. Not sure about you.
Damn. No middle ground, no options for disagreement but "hate guns or misunderstand culture" and even there it's all spin.
Just because someone else can look at evidence and come to a different conclusion doesn't mean they're wrong. It doesn't mean you're wrong. When it comes to people's priorities, right and wrong aren't bipolar.
There are people who, based on their experience, are against CCW. There are others who, again based on their experience, are for it.
You cannot take people's experiences away from them. You might think they misinterpreted what happened. But, ya know, they might think you misinterpreted.
Think about skydiving. Our experiences are quite different, I'm sure. Are you going to tell me that what I do is wrong because it's not what you do? Am I going to tell you that what you do is wrong because it's not what I do (well, if you have 230 jumps and you jump a 1.7 wing loading "because you're better than average" I probably think you're wrong
).
Not everything is relative. But neither is it all black and white, and when you try to push people into categories that you choose you lose the chance to interact with them on equal ground.
Wendy W.
BTW -- while it's not germane, because what I know doesn't depend on you, I used to target shoot and shoot skeet, I've rebuilt at least one gun, and used to have a gun safe in the room. It's not a priority for me, but guns aren't unfamiliar by a long shot.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
craddock 0
What do you mean when you say "play" It sounds like you are trying to put a spin on it like he plays with real guns the way he would play with toys with friends or video games. "play" is not a word that is usually used to describe responsible use of a firearm. This kid was on an Adult Trap league this past year. I really feel that if you spent time with him and around him handling guns you would have a different feeling. It is not like he is taking guns out of his safe and handing them other young kids without their parents permission. I realize that you may find it hard to believe that you can raise a kid that can be trusted this much. He has nothing to gain by "playing" with a gun, and everything to lose.
We are never going to understand each others culture completely.
For instance- I feel that not educating a child(in the culture that I live)about a possible danger is quite the opposite as protecting them from the vary same thing. We teach our kids how to use stoves, cross streets, drive cars(we do that at a pretty young age in some places over here also), so why not teach them how to handle firearms? I don't expect you to understand really, but I do wish you would use a little more discretion in the way you try to portray the enviroment we live in over here.
You have the Autobahn-no chance that would ever be built over here, yet is is much safer than my grandma would ever imagine driving on it.
Your children are usually allowed to consume alcohol before they are 21 years old. How can you allow that to happen. Should we not protect outr children from that danger?
We learn how to use guns at an early age and those that do are much safer than you will ever imagine.
We are never going to understand each others culture completely.
For instance- I feel that not educating a child(in the culture that I live)about a possible danger is quite the opposite as protecting them from the vary same thing. We teach our kids how to use stoves, cross streets, drive cars(we do that at a pretty young age in some places over here also), so why not teach them how to handle firearms? I don't expect you to understand really, but I do wish you would use a little more discretion in the way you try to portray the enviroment we live in over here.
You have the Autobahn-no chance that would ever be built over here, yet is is much safer than my grandma would ever imagine driving on it.
Your children are usually allowed to consume alcohol before they are 21 years old. How can you allow that to happen. Should we not protect outr children from that danger?
We learn how to use guns at an early age and those that do are much safer than you will ever imagine.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
craddock 0
I agree with pretty much everything you have said. Hey I never said I was without faults. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me and words fly off my keyboard to quick
I do stand my gound however that some people just don't eat enough meat
Also I appreciate that you are familar with guns and yes I understood that from your previous post.
I do stand my gound however that some people just don't eat enough meat
Also I appreciate that you are familar with guns and yes I understood that from your previous post.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
A lot of newsworthy crime in the US is done by ethnic gangs. Latino or Afro-American gangs that feel disenfranchised for racial reasons. For some, it is easier to be criminals.
In Canada, these gangs are starting to build for Vietnamese, Russian, and a few other ethno-centric groups.
Studies in the US developed an 80/20 rule. 80% of the crime is done by 20% of the criminals. Longer sentences for gun crimes have reduced crime in many places.
Canada is seeing a shift in the structure of criminal organizations and Candian authorities are reacting to it already. They will soon be seeing the armed conflict between gangs that occurs in the US. It is not targeted against the general population, but it does inflate gun-crime statistics.
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