Yep, Bush is still a pathetic jackass

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I'm all for cutting program and taxes.

I am too as long as it is not the result of or a consequence of funding one mans war. Program elimination is taking place across many federal agencies solely based on the fact that funding has been yanked to funnel into dhs and the war effort.

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no it was for funding well needed tax cuts. Tax cuts that are causing the economy to expand as well as employment.

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Tax cuts that are causing the economy to expand as well as employment.

examples please.

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And you don't think the 80 billion is needed there? And think that programs that don't work should continue to be funded?

Quite odd.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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And you don't think the 80 billion is needed there? And think that programs that don't work should continue to be funded?

Quite odd.

Thats where you fail to understand the depth of this problem. Failed programs are cut all the time, failing programs are now being cut due to funds going towards the war. HOWEVER, failed programs are not the only programs being eliminated. Critical programs furthering technology in the government space are being crushed based solely on the fact that the money is going elsewhere. And it is not just technology programs, the budgets as a whole are being hit hard and it is effecting every single government agency outside of DHS.

Iraq is nothing more than a money pit to us now that is not only gobbling up federal funds but also taking unnecessary lives. IT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT ON ALL FRONTS

I am still waiting for a bush supporter to comment on my statement in my original post. Why the fuck did dipshit bush declare the war was over almost a year ago??? When in fact the heaviest fighting took place after that declaration and more money is being spent now than when we were "at war".

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Well, you shall wait no longer. Bush - not a dipshit - declared the war over because active resistance by Iraqi military units had ceased to exist. Insurgents and terrorists are taking lives now. The costs of rebuilding the infrastructure, maintaining security/stabilization forces in theater, and getting the new gov't up and running are being increased exponentially by these terrorist attacks. Hence the increase in costs

DHS is a completely new department for all intents and purposes. Where did you think money to fund it would come from - the Easter Bunny? And DoD is sucking up a ton of $$ as well - the Army in particular. Ask any program manager about $$ within DoD and you'll find out what a tight budget everyone is on these days.

Programs will be cut and as the SS fiasco deepens as the baby boomers exit the work force and become eligible for SS more and more programs will be cut. Get used to it.

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The costs of rebuilding the infrastructure, maintaining security/stabilization forces in theater, and getting the new gov't up and running are being increased exponentially by these terrorist attacks. Hence the increase in costs

And it is totally acceptable with you that we are spending all this money to do all this? Why is it our responsibility to rebuild? Let me guess, this is where you tell me that we are responsible because we were the invading force that caused the destruction? What other country did we spend billions on rebuilding after invading during wartime? I'm sure halliburton has nothing to do with our "extended stay"

Guess I now know why we didnt invade afghanistan hunting down our true enemy. That country couldnt have provided the long term benefits that our president is reaping from invading iraq.

the funny thing, well actually it is pretty sad is that bush failed at every business venture he embarked on and now he has billions of dollars at his disposal. Seems like a recipe for disaster to me. Track records speak for themselves.

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From my understanding Bush had to cut out over 140 programs for this budget.

I don't think congress will give him everything he wants to cut. A couple that I would like to see trimmed: farm subsidies (especially corporate farms) and that boondoggle dam building Corps of Engineers. It's very ironic we have to have a war to do this. Watch out. Here comes those crybaby lobbyists

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

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And your solution for 100% accurate intelligence, the location of the WMD's given Hussein in the wake of the Iranian hostage crisis whilst Iraq was engaged in a war with Iran, and erroneous cost estimation would be.....what, exactly? Looking forward to your response.

I don't go in front of the nation and the entire Congress and make claims that I can't back up. Bush did.

I didn't claim funks didn't know the cause of the war - you did. You and Bush seem to have different reasons for the war (now), though. Revisionism at it's best.

I didn't make ridiculously optimistic statements about the length and cost of the war. Bush's White House staff did - on the record.

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I am still waiting for a bush supporter to comment on my statement in my original post. Why the fuck did dipshit bush declare the war was over almost a year ago???

Simple, and it has been explained about a million times...
But I'll do it again.

Bush called an end to the war when the uniformed troops controlled by Saddam had been defeated. Now we are fighting non-uniformed combatants that some call "Terrorists", but you might call "heros."

As for your favorite rant about Bush and th WMD's...Remember these voices from the past? Notice the dates?

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"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" --Gore, September 23,2003

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."--Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime...now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued decit and his consistant grasp for weapons of mass destruction...So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" --John F. Kerry, Jan 23, 2003.

So even the "other side" thought Saddam had WMD's.

You guys really need to get over that. The intel said he had them. The intel could be wrong, or he could have sold/hidden/given them away. It is also possible that the sanctions prevented him from building or maintaining the ones he had...But one thing is clear, he never complied with the UN resolutions....The fat he may not have had any WMD's does not change that he was not co-operating like the resolutions required.

Really, get over that. Also since GWB won again, you should realize that most people do understand it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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The fat he may not have had any WMD's does not change that he was not co-operating like the resolutions required.

But it's so much more fun to say it this way:
Bush lied about WMD! There were never any! The US is evil! Democrats are always right! Governments make jobs! Blah blah blah...

See? Just spout off a sentence of four words or less. What? A whole paragraph of facts and reasoned logic? Borrrrinngggg...

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"C'mon Brits and Euros,heres your chance to chime in too......dont disappoint me"

Nah, this is a domestic policy thread, you guys sort that out, it doesn't affect us.Yep, you are in Iraq, yep its a money pit, I don't have an alternative solution but for the coalition to sit there and suck it up.

Bagels, I like bagels.
Cream cheese bagels, yeppers, thats what I like.

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job growth, expanding economy, high home ownership, just to name a few.

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job growth, expanding economy, high home ownership, just to name a few.

1) Jobs are going to be the west's biggest challenge in the decades to come. The far east is where all the growth is and will continue to be for years to come. Life as we know it in North America and Europe is about to change (if it hasn't started already).

2) Economies expand and contract all the time. You can always bet on a cyclical economy. It's the long term growth that matters.

3) Home ownership is a good thing to strive for. I own about 90% of a home. Do you own a home? If you do, then good on you. If you don't, hmmm ... well kind of ironic wouldn't you say.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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Does the Marshall Plan ring a bell?

If you think Halliburton received any sole source contracts illicitly then by all means spend the massive $0.37...well, you'd have to have paper and an envelope too, so let's say $1.00...it requires to protest the contract. Let us know what you find wrong with the J&A - if you're familiar with gov't contracting you're no doubt familiar with the term.

Being as my brother has been to Afghanistan several times now I find your 'didn't invade Afghanistan' comment most amusing.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[TheAnvil 0]

Never claimed you did any of those things. Now answer my question please vice dodging.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
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mmmm, plain bagels with scrambled eggs and cheese on them, mmmm

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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"mmmm, plain bagels with scrambled eggs and cheese on them, mmmm"

With perhaps just a dash of Tabasco, and fresh ground black pepper.

Yeah, I can see your point of view.

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Isn't a cross-pond meeting of the minds a wonderful thing?

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"Isn't a cross-pond meeting of the minds a wonderful thing?"

I reckon most folks here have more in common than they care to admit sometimes.

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Of course they do, ARRRRRRRrrgh

Everybody wants to be a sometimes.
Too bad most of them act like

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1) Jobs are going to be the west's biggest challenge in the decades to come. The far east is where all the growth is and will continue to be for years to come. Life as we know it in North America and Europe is about to change (if it hasn't started already).

manufacturing jobs have been on the way out for the last 30 some years. Some dem this fact seems lost on. I do shop for the Made in USA label and will not buy "made in france." Here in my local area we have such a shortage of bus drivers and building trades, mechanics that it is a real problem.

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Economies expand and contract all the time. You can always bet on a cyclical economy. It's the long term growth that matters.

and the last and longest period of growth was created by the Reagan with his tax cuts.

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Home ownership is a good thing to strive for. I own about 90% of a home. Do you own a home? If you do, then good on you. If you don't, hmmm ... well kind of ironic wouldn't you say.

Yes I will soon own my home. Free and clear with in the next 60 months or less. One of the best long term investments. Lower taxes and low interest] rates help home ownership.

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Screw Iraq and its so called "brave people"(they were too chickenshit to stand up themselves). Let them pay for their own rebuild and make them pay for what they got. Whatever the hell it is.
My tax dollars would be better spent here where I fully expected them to be spent when I payed them. As someone with a deadly illness and no insurance I am in need of the very programs that Bush wants to cut. If he wants to make cuts he should cut funding to the rest of the world, a world that detest us yet stand with hands out for American cash. I much rather see my taxes go to help myself and other Americans in need and to hell with everyone else.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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Screw Iraq and its so called "brave people"(they were too chickenshit to stand up themselves). Let them pay for their own rebuild and make them pay for what they got. Whatever the hell it is.
My tax dollars would be better spent here where I fully expected them to be spent when I payed them. As someone with a deadly illness and no insurance I am in need of the very programs that Bush wants to cut. If he wants to make cuts he should cut funding to the rest of the world, a world that detest us yet stand with hands out for American cash. I much rather see my taxes go to help myself and other Americans in need and to hell with everyone else.

AMEN!!

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Never claimed you did any of those things. Now answer my question please vice dodging.

Your question is not relevant to my comment or this thread. It is a transparent attempt to distract attention from your revisionist version of history.

You might find the following interesting:
www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

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