christelsabine 1 #26 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuote I decided not to put a foot on US-Territory a few months ago.... .... And certainly NOT a Semtex clad foot!? Mike. Edited to add.... Semtex Socke und Sprengkapseln oder streikholtz sind sehr verboten!!!! Alternative translations Oh man, just noticed your modification on original post. Like it hard, right? No soft gloves, must be the full range. Let them freeze: No gloves, not even a Streichholz, That's hard core, I tell you. Oh Lord, c'est dure. That's English torture, yeah dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #27 February 12, 2005 Why? The guy was a mental case idot, trying to light semtex with a match???? What a dickhead, he should have got that sentance just for bringing the British into disrepute. However I liked your post, just stay where you are and I'll tell you when its safe to come out from under the bridge. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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EBSB52 0 #29 February 12, 2005 QuoteI must say I liked this: QuoteWe are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. YAWN - more rhetoric. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. If not, then why the drastic measures with the TSA and Patriot Act? We can'thave it nboth ways; scared then not scared. I know your response - we are being prepared and secure. My reply would be that the conservs use this fear mongering to pass this kind of legislation. So, are we scared? Selectively. ...as human beings we reach out for justice. Tell that to the people you execute for juvenile crimes, judge. Tell that to the innocent adults you've executed and their families, judge. It sounds so John Wayne to espouse this shit, but the truth is that we're a rung or two above China when it comes to our justice system. My comments have nothing to do with Reid, who needs to be jailed forever. I've read this rhetoric from this sentencing before and it struck me the same way. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals... No preference for economic class or other preferences... You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. Pure perspective. To his country he is a combatant. But since we usually win, we write history. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. And we're here to demoralize you, just as we did at Abu Graib. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. Unless our Fascist in Chief tells us to via Iran-Contra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #30 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuote8 life sentences + 110 years Is the USA totally getting mad? I decided not to put a foot on US-Territory a few months ago and nearly every week I read about a new reason why this still is a good idea. Happy to be in "old europe" Benedikt Yes our gov is. See, no one is here to say, "that's enough" as we and aour allies did to Japan, Germany and Italy in WWII. Now N Korea is arming to disuade us from going after them next - some say it's a bluff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #31 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote8 life sentences + 110 years Is the USA totally getting mad? I decided not to put a foot on US-Territory a few months ago and nearly every week I read about a new reason why this still is a good idea. Happy to be in "old europe" Benedikt That sentence is fitting for this lawn-shitting waste of space. Would you rather we withhold his pudding for a few weeks or spank him? He fucking said he'd never stop trying to destroy freedom. Why does Europe insist on coddling criminals? Why do Europeans think we care about what they think of how we prosecute crime? Putting this dickhead in jail for the rest of his existence denies him the martyr status he so wanted, and proves that one ought not fuck with the US, lest you enter a world of shit. And the world is going after Scandinavian countries. Start shit and someone will be there to engage - the US has started shit pretty much every place on Earth and has the gall to be offended when they strike back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #32 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteI am not giving up hope that th US gets back freedom. Freedom of mind! And I will never give up hoping that Euros get back some common sense and and some resolve when it comes to dealing with terrs.....Freedom from spinelessness Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. We have a funny way of defining liberty and freedom, but we are the best spin doctors when it comes to writing history. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #33 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy is it mad? How would your legal system have handled such a case. I possibly over-reacted what lead to an easy misunderstanding of my point. (OK, to be honest - there was no point in my post.) First: I dislike this guy and thing let him run after a few years would be an totaly bad idea. This guy is dangerous! But not dangerous to "the freedom" or "the free world". He is dangerous for the community of human beings. Second: I would sentence him for attempted murder in as many cases as persons where on board of the plane. And put him to a closed psychiatric institution. So he would not see freedom again when I was the judge. What I dislike is the following: What for did he get a life sentences? Here you only get a whole life in prison when you committed a murder. There is no other way. So whom did he kill? He tried to do so and should be punished for trying to do so. He probably is dangerous so he should stay in custody after his sentence for the security of the people around him. What I also dislike very much are sentences like "He fucking said he'd never stop trying to destroy freedom." Can someone quote where he said that? I just read that he felt threaded by western states and that he is a fanatic person. This sentence sounds like "Everyone who is against us is against freedom!" Hey, wake up! People are of different opinions how "freedom" looks like! correct would be "He fucking said he'd never stop trying to destroy the United States of America and maybe some more." USA = Freedom? I do think that this guy should stay locked up all his life as well but I sometimes have the feeling that some people don't lock him up thinking "sad but there is no other way" but "Fu*ck you and go to hell". Revenge is nothing a community should be based on in my eyes. Hope this made some points clearer. Best wishes to _all_ the world Benedikt What I dislike is the following: What for did he get a life sentences? Here you only get a whole life in prison when you committed a murder. There is no other way. You get life here for many things, which is why we have one of the highest rates of incarrcearation in the world. 1:150 Americans are in prison, so that means the rate is almost twice that, or half that (1:80) for males. Does that scare anyone? There was a guy that received 200 years for downloading and viewing child porn. I think he's a SOB and should get some jail time and be watched via lifetime registerring as an offender, but 200 years? That is fucked. But don't worry, prisons are run by corporations that profit from his labor and will expolit him, so that is part of the real agenda. Revenge is nothing a community should be based on in my eyes. The US judicial system is based upon that; we call it retribution which is a concept from the Old Testament. Then we hide behind the concept of deterrence, which is unproven to be effective. If it was imperically provable, then why does crime seem to maintain or rise as punishments seem to esacalte by number and severity? The US is a bullshit place and I will be in your country, brother. Funny thing is, this angers my current countrymen and women.... go figure, I would think they would enjoy different opinions leaving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #34 February 12, 2005 Quote Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others.....and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society.....Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #35 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuote Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others.....and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Bought into what? Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Marc You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #36 February 12, 2005 QuoteYou assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... And you seem to think that free thinking will lead everyone to believe, as you do, that Che Guevera or the Bolshevics running the country would be our best recourse. Some of us learn from history and disagree with you. Every time you spout off with your ideals, you ensure they will never come to pass. People in this country don't want your big government solutions. Do I need to quote for you where you stated in your own definition that socialism requires the government running things? Or are you really goiing to sit there and claim that there is a difference between government intervention and government control?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #37 February 12, 2005 Fanaticism tends to blind one to a lot of things,doesnt it? Quote Bought into what? Ward Churchill blames Western Civilization for all the ills that have befallen indigenous Americans,sounds like you do too ***Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? If you wont support your argument with facts,why should I support the refutation of it with facts? So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. Well, lets see, China......."Think Tibet" Sweden.........Religious purges of the 16th and 17th century France.......Cathar massacres and Huguenot persecutions Nazi Germany........too many too list Fascist Italy...........see above Stalinist Russia.....see above Quote I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. Your opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. You stated "Anglo" pioneers...........I took exception to it due to the gross inaccuracies that go with a statement like that.......and would point out not all were "Anglo" or "Evil" *** You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Constitutional protection of free speech is a given in this country no matter how idiotic,wrongminded or non-sensical it may be EnjoyMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #38 February 14, 2005 QuoteYour opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Maybe not commonly held in the states... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #39 February 14, 2005 Quote QuoteI must say I liked this: QuoteWe are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. YAWN - more rhetoric. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. If not, then why the drastic measures with the TSA and Patriot Act? We can'thave it nboth ways; scared then not scared. I know your response - we are being prepared and secure. My reply would be that the conservs use this fear mongering to pass this kind of legislation. So, are we scared? Selectively. ...as human beings we reach out for justice. Tell that to the people you execute for juvenile crimes, judge. Tell that to the innocent adults you've executed and their families, judge. It sounds so John Wayne to espouse this shit, but the truth is that we're a rung or two above China when it comes to our justice system. My comments have nothing to do with Reid, who needs to be jailed forever. I've read this rhetoric from this sentencing before and it struck me the same way. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals... No preference for economic class or other preferences... You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. Pure perspective. To his country he is a combatant. But since we usually win, we write history. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. And we're here to demoralize you, just as we did at Abu Graib. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. Unless our Fascist in Chief tells us to via Iran-Contra. QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. This is the best way to describe your posts...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #40 February 14, 2005 QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. And more from you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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EBSB52 0 #33 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy is it mad? How would your legal system have handled such a case. I possibly over-reacted what lead to an easy misunderstanding of my point. (OK, to be honest - there was no point in my post.) First: I dislike this guy and thing let him run after a few years would be an totaly bad idea. This guy is dangerous! But not dangerous to "the freedom" or "the free world". He is dangerous for the community of human beings. Second: I would sentence him for attempted murder in as many cases as persons where on board of the plane. And put him to a closed psychiatric institution. So he would not see freedom again when I was the judge. What I dislike is the following: What for did he get a life sentences? Here you only get a whole life in prison when you committed a murder. There is no other way. So whom did he kill? He tried to do so and should be punished for trying to do so. He probably is dangerous so he should stay in custody after his sentence for the security of the people around him. What I also dislike very much are sentences like "He fucking said he'd never stop trying to destroy freedom." Can someone quote where he said that? I just read that he felt threaded by western states and that he is a fanatic person. This sentence sounds like "Everyone who is against us is against freedom!" Hey, wake up! People are of different opinions how "freedom" looks like! correct would be "He fucking said he'd never stop trying to destroy the United States of America and maybe some more." USA = Freedom? I do think that this guy should stay locked up all his life as well but I sometimes have the feeling that some people don't lock him up thinking "sad but there is no other way" but "Fu*ck you and go to hell". Revenge is nothing a community should be based on in my eyes. Hope this made some points clearer. Best wishes to _all_ the world Benedikt What I dislike is the following: What for did he get a life sentences? Here you only get a whole life in prison when you committed a murder. There is no other way. You get life here for many things, which is why we have one of the highest rates of incarrcearation in the world. 1:150 Americans are in prison, so that means the rate is almost twice that, or half that (1:80) for males. Does that scare anyone? There was a guy that received 200 years for downloading and viewing child porn. I think he's a SOB and should get some jail time and be watched via lifetime registerring as an offender, but 200 years? That is fucked. But don't worry, prisons are run by corporations that profit from his labor and will expolit him, so that is part of the real agenda. Revenge is nothing a community should be based on in my eyes. The US judicial system is based upon that; we call it retribution which is a concept from the Old Testament. Then we hide behind the concept of deterrence, which is unproven to be effective. If it was imperically provable, then why does crime seem to maintain or rise as punishments seem to esacalte by number and severity? The US is a bullshit place and I will be in your country, brother. Funny thing is, this angers my current countrymen and women.... go figure, I would think they would enjoy different opinions leaving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #34 February 12, 2005 Quote Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others.....and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society.....Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #35 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuote Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others.....and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Bought into what? Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Marc You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #36 February 12, 2005 QuoteYou assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... And you seem to think that free thinking will lead everyone to believe, as you do, that Che Guevera or the Bolshevics running the country would be our best recourse. Some of us learn from history and disagree with you. Every time you spout off with your ideals, you ensure they will never come to pass. People in this country don't want your big government solutions. Do I need to quote for you where you stated in your own definition that socialism requires the government running things? Or are you really goiing to sit there and claim that there is a difference between government intervention and government control?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #37 February 12, 2005 Fanaticism tends to blind one to a lot of things,doesnt it? Quote Bought into what? Ward Churchill blames Western Civilization for all the ills that have befallen indigenous Americans,sounds like you do too ***Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? If you wont support your argument with facts,why should I support the refutation of it with facts? So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. Well, lets see, China......."Think Tibet" Sweden.........Religious purges of the 16th and 17th century France.......Cathar massacres and Huguenot persecutions Nazi Germany........too many too list Fascist Italy...........see above Stalinist Russia.....see above Quote I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. Your opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. You stated "Anglo" pioneers...........I took exception to it due to the gross inaccuracies that go with a statement like that.......and would point out not all were "Anglo" or "Evil" *** You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Constitutional protection of free speech is a given in this country no matter how idiotic,wrongminded or non-sensical it may be EnjoyMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #38 February 14, 2005 QuoteYour opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Maybe not commonly held in the states... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #39 February 14, 2005 Quote QuoteI must say I liked this: QuoteWe are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. YAWN - more rhetoric. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. If not, then why the drastic measures with the TSA and Patriot Act? We can'thave it nboth ways; scared then not scared. I know your response - we are being prepared and secure. My reply would be that the conservs use this fear mongering to pass this kind of legislation. So, are we scared? Selectively. ...as human beings we reach out for justice. Tell that to the people you execute for juvenile crimes, judge. Tell that to the innocent adults you've executed and their families, judge. It sounds so John Wayne to espouse this shit, but the truth is that we're a rung or two above China when it comes to our justice system. My comments have nothing to do with Reid, who needs to be jailed forever. I've read this rhetoric from this sentencing before and it struck me the same way. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals... No preference for economic class or other preferences... You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. Pure perspective. To his country he is a combatant. But since we usually win, we write history. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. And we're here to demoralize you, just as we did at Abu Graib. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. Unless our Fascist in Chief tells us to via Iran-Contra. QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. This is the best way to describe your posts...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #40 February 14, 2005 QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. And more from you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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EBSB52 0 #35 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuote Ya, we (Anglo pioneers) came over here from the UK in search of freedom, killed approx 6 million occupants of what is now called the USA, and took over their country. We allowed the ones to live that would buy into and assume our ethnicity, hence Indian Schools. Yes, we are the beacon of liberty and freedom. Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others.....and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Wow......I thought Ward Churchill was the only one that bought in to that Bought into what? Not entirely accurate............but if that's truly what you want to believe,you go right ahead Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? Pick any society and I will show you the barbarism of each........ So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. so U S history BY COMPARISON is no better or no worse than others I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. and I'm not Anglo by the way.......but most of my ancestors were from various parts of the British Isles Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. And the fact that you are able to form such a hypotheses indicates to me a free-thinking U S society..... Marc You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #36 February 12, 2005 QuoteYou assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... And you seem to think that free thinking will lead everyone to believe, as you do, that Che Guevera or the Bolshevics running the country would be our best recourse. Some of us learn from history and disagree with you. Every time you spout off with your ideals, you ensure they will never come to pass. People in this country don't want your big government solutions. Do I need to quote for you where you stated in your own definition that socialism requires the government running things? Or are you really goiing to sit there and claim that there is a difference between government intervention and government control?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites markd_nscr986 0 #37 February 12, 2005 Fanaticism tends to blind one to a lot of things,doesnt it? Quote Bought into what? Ward Churchill blames Western Civilization for all the ills that have befallen indigenous Americans,sounds like you do too ***Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? If you wont support your argument with facts,why should I support the refutation of it with facts? So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. Well, lets see, China......."Think Tibet" Sweden.........Religious purges of the 16th and 17th century France.......Cathar massacres and Huguenot persecutions Nazi Germany........too many too list Fascist Italy...........see above Stalinist Russia.....see above Quote I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. Your opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. You stated "Anglo" pioneers...........I took exception to it due to the gross inaccuracies that go with a statement like that.......and would point out not all were "Anglo" or "Evil" *** You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Constitutional protection of free speech is a given in this country no matter how idiotic,wrongminded or non-sensical it may be EnjoyMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CornishChris 5 #38 February 14, 2005 QuoteYour opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Maybe not commonly held in the states... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #39 February 14, 2005 Quote QuoteI must say I liked this: QuoteWe are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. YAWN - more rhetoric. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. If not, then why the drastic measures with the TSA and Patriot Act? We can'thave it nboth ways; scared then not scared. I know your response - we are being prepared and secure. My reply would be that the conservs use this fear mongering to pass this kind of legislation. So, are we scared? Selectively. ...as human beings we reach out for justice. Tell that to the people you execute for juvenile crimes, judge. Tell that to the innocent adults you've executed and their families, judge. It sounds so John Wayne to espouse this shit, but the truth is that we're a rung or two above China when it comes to our justice system. My comments have nothing to do with Reid, who needs to be jailed forever. I've read this rhetoric from this sentencing before and it struck me the same way. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals... No preference for economic class or other preferences... You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. Pure perspective. To his country he is a combatant. But since we usually win, we write history. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. And we're here to demoralize you, just as we did at Abu Graib. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. Unless our Fascist in Chief tells us to via Iran-Contra. QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. This is the best way to describe your posts...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #40 February 14, 2005 QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. And more from you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Kennedy 0 #36 February 12, 2005 QuoteYou assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... And you seem to think that free thinking will lead everyone to believe, as you do, that Che Guevera or the Bolshevics running the country would be our best recourse. Some of us learn from history and disagree with you. Every time you spout off with your ideals, you ensure they will never come to pass. People in this country don't want your big government solutions. Do I need to quote for you where you stated in your own definition that socialism requires the government running things? Or are you really goiing to sit there and claim that there is a difference between government intervention and government control?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #37 February 12, 2005 Fanaticism tends to blind one to a lot of things,doesnt it? Quote Bought into what? Ward Churchill blames Western Civilization for all the ills that have befallen indigenous Americans,sounds like you do too ***Ok, I made an assertion, you disagree and support it with.... ZERO. Please, tell me where the great pioneers didn't do as I stated. Where did I err, was it oly 5 million, was it 7???? If you wont support your argument with facts,why should I support the refutation of it with facts? So here we go with this; let's compare the US to China. I know, let's compare the US to Sweeden or many other parts of Europe. Well, lets see, China......."Think Tibet" Sweden.........Religious purges of the 16th and 17th century France.......Cathar massacres and Huguenot persecutions Nazi Germany........too many too list Fascist Italy...........see above Stalinist Russia.....see above Quote I don't agree withthat, we're better than some, worse than others, but the major differenc eis that we mask and/or justify our imperialism with the crap about beacon of liberty and freedom, so we kind of establish a standard then fail to live up to it. Your opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Your origin isn't really important for the sake of this argument, nor is mine. What is important is what we understand the history of the US to be, and the current state of affairs. You stated "Anglo" pioneers...........I took exception to it due to the gross inaccuracies that go with a statement like that.......and would point out not all were "Anglo" or "Evil" *** You assume there will be no repercussion now or ever for such free thinking.... Constitutional protection of free speech is a given in this country no matter how idiotic,wrongminded or non-sensical it may be EnjoyMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #38 February 14, 2005 QuoteYour opinion only and it is not a commonly held one Maybe not commonly held in the states... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #39 February 14, 2005 Quote QuoteI must say I liked this: QuoteWe are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. YAWN - more rhetoric. We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. If not, then why the drastic measures with the TSA and Patriot Act? We can'thave it nboth ways; scared then not scared. I know your response - we are being prepared and secure. My reply would be that the conservs use this fear mongering to pass this kind of legislation. So, are we scared? Selectively. ...as human beings we reach out for justice. Tell that to the people you execute for juvenile crimes, judge. Tell that to the innocent adults you've executed and their families, judge. It sounds so John Wayne to espouse this shit, but the truth is that we're a rung or two above China when it comes to our justice system. My comments have nothing to do with Reid, who needs to be jailed forever. I've read this rhetoric from this sentencing before and it struck me the same way. Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals... No preference for economic class or other preferences... You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. Pure perspective. To his country he is a combatant. But since we usually win, we write history. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. And we're here to demoralize you, just as we did at Abu Graib. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. Unless our Fascist in Chief tells us to via Iran-Contra. QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. This is the best way to describe your posts...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 February 14, 2005 QuoteYAWN - more rhetoric. And more from you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
