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JohnRich 4
QuoteThe President of the USofA... You can replace him by a puppet, nobody will notice any difference.
How is it possible to present such a BS to the world! What else than "business profit" is the main motor which runs GWB @ friends?
Ah yes, the American political expert, who lives in Germany...
News:
Waving black flags and carrying banners, thousands of neo-Nazis marched in Dresden on Sunday... Police said at least 3,000 people joined the march making it one of the biggest far-right demonstrations since the war...
Once a fringe group, the neo-Nazis have seized on Germany's recognition finally of its own wartime suffering to grab headlines and forge political gains...
Source: My Way
slug 1
HI TK
IMO with the modern technology available today GW could perform his presidental duties from the White House.
This would be a lot safer for our national leader, and save the taxpayers, and businesses the expense and hassle of presidental security and TFR's while the president is traveling.
One downside of the president staying in D.C. would be his inability to attend the $$$ raising dinners around the country for his political party.
Technology will continue to evolve and eventually the politicans will get the message. We hope it isn't after some confused person trys to do something stupid again and make history.
R.I.P.
IMO with the modern technology available today GW could perform his presidental duties from the White House.
This would be a lot safer for our national leader, and save the taxpayers, and businesses the expense and hassle of presidental security and TFR's while the president is traveling.
One downside of the president staying in D.C. would be his inability to attend the $$$ raising dinners around the country for his political party.
Technology will continue to evolve and eventually the politicans will get the message. We hope it isn't after some confused person trys to do something stupid again and make history.
R.I.P.
Kennedy 0
With such an astute grasp of facts and reality, I bet Cristel believes in the Krumpus, Klaubauf, and Knecht Ruprecht.
witty subliminal message
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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skydyvr 0
QuoteOnce a fringe group, the neo-Nazis have seized on Germany's recognition finally of its own wartime suffering to grab headlines and forge political gains...
Yep, looks like the allies will have to make another trip into Berlin in a few years . . . will those Germans never learn?
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tkhayes 348
QuoteAh yes, the American political expert, who lives in Germany...
Ah yes, the Iraqi political expert(s), who live in and run the USA...
TK
Yep, looks like the allies will have to make another trip into Berlin in a few years . . . will those Germans never learn?
Sounds nice. Who, do you think, would be the "allies" in few years to do another trip into Berlin?
"Those Germans..." learned. Read the entire article, come to Germany. And you will learn.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
News:
Waving black flags and carrying banners, thousands of neo-Nazis marched in Dresden on Sunday... Police said at least 3,000 people joined the march making it one of the biggest far-right demonstrations since the war...
Once a fringe group, the neo-Nazis have seized on Germany's recognition finally of its own wartime suffering to grab headlines and forge political gains...
Waving black flags and carrying banners, thousands of neo-Nazis marched in Dresden on Sunday... Police said at least 3,000 people joined the march making it one of the biggest far-right demonstrations since the war...
Once a fringe group, the neo-Nazis have seized on Germany's recognition finally of its own wartime suffering to grab headlines and forge political gains...
Posted as another red herring? Hmmmm??
dudeist skydiver # 3105
gkc1436 3
american politics....
we get attacked on our own soil
the president doesnt take any steps to secure the borders from illegals ....at all...
6000 unknowns cross into AZ every day, not counting texas and cali....
it only took 19 to rock our world
the reason the hijackers were able to get on the planes.......drivers license's....
no steps there either....
but me...an american.....my house can be searched without a warrant....without my knowlage
my library records are available without a warrant
funny...it wasnt americans that hijacked the planes
we get attacked on our own soil
the president doesnt take any steps to secure the borders from illegals ....at all...
6000 unknowns cross into AZ every day, not counting texas and cali....
it only took 19 to rock our world
the reason the hijackers were able to get on the planes.......drivers license's....
no steps there either....
but me...an american.....my house can be searched without a warrant....without my knowlage
my library records are available without a warrant
funny...it wasnt americans that hijacked the planes
Jimbo 0
QuoteThe TFR discussion had its own thread(s) many times over with all the reasons why they are plain silly. . . .
You see a need to protect our great leader. I see a chicken-shit President who is paranoid and fearful for his life everywhere he goes, but instead of doing soemthing about it with foreign and popular policies, he uses MY tax dollars to surround himself with a wall.
Silly by whose standards? Did you know that every single President since Gerald Ford (and including Gerald Ford) has been the subject of an assanation attempt? It was/is the Secret Service that decides how to best protect the President, and while several Presidents have lamented about the hassle caused by the increased security none have thought it was unnecessary.
You think things are bad now, just wait until we make it easy to murder our President and have a change of government every time somebody gets away with it.
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Jim
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tkhayes 348
you missed my point (again)
Yes, protect the President. But at what cost? At ANY cost? Any radius of no-fly zones?
Answer these questions.....
If Presidential security rose to a cost of $100B per year, would you be OK with that? If it rose to the equivalent cost of the War in Iraq, would you be OK with that? Do you feel there is a limit, or no limit to what should be spent? Do you think the majority of Americans would be OK with that?
NO president has been the subject of an attack by General Aviation (ever), so then why do we persecute GA for this?
Seems to me, Ford was shot at, Reagan was shot at, Kennedy was shot.......
hmm does this sound like a gun-ban thread now?
Protect the President sure, but from REAL threats, not perceived ones.
TK
Yes, protect the President. But at what cost? At ANY cost? Any radius of no-fly zones?
Answer these questions.....
If Presidential security rose to a cost of $100B per year, would you be OK with that? If it rose to the equivalent cost of the War in Iraq, would you be OK with that? Do you feel there is a limit, or no limit to what should be spent? Do you think the majority of Americans would be OK with that?
NO president has been the subject of an attack by General Aviation (ever), so then why do we persecute GA for this?
Seems to me, Ford was shot at, Reagan was shot at, Kennedy was shot.......
hmm does this sound like a gun-ban thread now?
Protect the President sure, but from REAL threats, not perceived ones.
TK
Jimbo 0
[QUOTE]If Presidential security rose to a cost of $100B per year, would you be OK with that? If it rose to the equivalent cost of the War in Iraq, would you be OK with that? Do you feel there is a limit, or no limit to what should be spent? Do you think the majority of Americans would be OK with that? [/QUOTE]
I suspect that I'd have to evaluate the threat against the amount of money being spent.
Nobody had ever used a commercial airliner as missle before 9/11/2001. It seems now that that particular threat has gone from Tom Clancy to reality. It's something we need to be concerned with today.
Any radius? Of course not. Simply a radius that allows the Presidential detail to detect and respond to a threat in time to prevent it.
No, but if you want to put it in that context we do have laws preventing people from carrying guns while near the President, right?
Weren't you spouting off earlier that the FAA should have done more to prevent 9/11? What's that about perceived vs. real?
Just so I'm clear on this, which threats are REAL and which are perceived?
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Jim
I suspect that I'd have to evaluate the threat against the amount of money being spent.
QuoteNO president has been the subject of an attack by General Aviation (ever), so then why do we persecute GA for this?
Nobody had ever used a commercial airliner as missle before 9/11/2001. It seems now that that particular threat has gone from Tom Clancy to reality. It's something we need to be concerned with today.
QuoteYes, protect the President. But at what cost? At ANY cost? Any radius of no-fly zones?
Any radius? Of course not. Simply a radius that allows the Presidential detail to detect and respond to a threat in time to prevent it.
QuoteSeems to me, Ford was shot at, Reagan was shot at, Kennedy was shot.......
hmm does this sound like a gun-ban thread now?
No, but if you want to put it in that context we do have laws preventing people from carrying guns while near the President, right?
QuoteProtect the President sure, but from REAL threats, not perceived ones.
Weren't you spouting off earlier that the FAA should have done more to prevent 9/11? What's that about perceived vs. real?
Just so I'm clear on this, which threats are REAL and which are perceived?
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Jim
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tkhayes 348
All valid points there, so again, my 'limits' are different to yours obviously.
thanks for supporting my thread - I think we pay a lot of people a lot of money to do that thinking for us.
I really doubt the the FAA, Secret Service, CIA or whomever will come and ask TK Hayes, JohnRich, Kennedy or JimBo what should be done to protect the President or ensure national security. But the fact remains that we have these agencies in place to do all that and as the thread, the articles, the news stories and such all report - they apparently failed.
What else has failed:
WMD's - none,
Iraq blamed for 9/11 - not a chance
hmm, strange that anyone would put so much faith in these organizations. No wonder they have to put a 30NM radius around the president, they apparently do not know much about what they are doing..... so they go to extremes to get the job done.
TK
QuoteWeren't you spouting off earlier that the FAA should have done more to prevent 9/11? What's that about perceived vs. real?
Just so I'm clear on this, which threats are REAL and which are perceived?
thanks for supporting my thread - I think we pay a lot of people a lot of money to do that thinking for us.
I really doubt the the FAA, Secret Service, CIA or whomever will come and ask TK Hayes, JohnRich, Kennedy or JimBo what should be done to protect the President or ensure national security. But the fact remains that we have these agencies in place to do all that and as the thread, the articles, the news stories and such all report - they apparently failed.
What else has failed:
WMD's - none,
Iraq blamed for 9/11 - not a chance
hmm, strange that anyone would put so much faith in these organizations. No wonder they have to put a 30NM radius around the president, they apparently do not know much about what they are doing..... so they go to extremes to get the job done.
TK
Ron 10
QuoteI really doubt the the FAA, Secret Service, CIA or whomever will come and ask TK Hayes, JohnRich, Kennedy or JimBo what should be done to protect the President or ensure national security. But the fact remains that we have these agencies in place to do all that and as the thread, the articles, the news stories and such all report - they apparently failed.
Thats cause you only read about the failures.
How many attempted assasinations do you think the SS prevents each year?
You only hear about the ones that get through.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
Jimbo 0
QuoteI really doubt the the FAA, Secret Service, CIA or whomever will come and ask TK Hayes, JohnRich, Kennedy or JimBo what should be done to protect the President or ensure national security.
If you're so sure that the SS won't be asking you for your advice on how to best protect the President then why is it that you feel qualified to comment on it?
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billvon 3,111
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>why is it that you feel qualified to comment on it?
If people here only posted on things they were qualified to discuss, this forum would consist of posts about beer, sex and farting. It's more or less intended for people to rail about topics they only dimly understand.
If people here only posted on things they were qualified to discuss, this forum would consist of posts about beer, sex and farting. It's more or less intended for people to rail about topics they only dimly understand.
tkhayes 348
because MY TAX DOLLARS pay for it. and I would prefer that my tax dollars pay for education, better health care and not some delusional 'threat' to the president by a guy in a Cessna 182......
Do you REALLY feel that we as citizens do not have the right to comment on how the country is run? Get real......
TK
Do you REALLY feel that we as citizens do not have the right to comment on how the country is run? Get real......
TK
Jimbo 0
QuoteDo you REALLY feel that we as citizens do not have the right to comment on how the country is run? Get real......
Of course not. If you'll go back and read my post again you'll see that I didn't say that. What I did say is that since you admit that the SS is better qualified than you to determine what the REAL threats are to the President that I find it odd that you feel compelled to criticize them, to criticize something that by your own admission you don't understand.
TK, I asked you a question in an earlier post - what are the REAL threats to the President?
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tkhayes 348
I do not know what the real threats are to the President - but I know that my skydiving airplane, within even 10 NM of him is NOT a threat. But I have to shut down every time he comes to town.
I know that if I break that rule, my pilot and my business will be SEVERELY reprimanded, which in a free country, is just bullshit.
I also know that Presidential security as a whole costs more than it needs to. And I know that i am willing to speak up about it when I see tax dollars abused in that manner.
What elsew do I know?
- I know that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11
- I know that Iraq has no WMD's
- i know that we will be paying for this war for a very long time, but I do not feel much more secure in the world.
- I know that i do feel more secure when I fly in an airplane (something they improved on but still overdid it)
- I know that my personal freedoms are LESS than they were before 9/11 and that it may only get worse, not better.
- I know that the mroe I rant about the government, the more likely it is that I will end up on some 'watch list'
I know that the American people in general are fearful and the government plays on that to get them to agree to do pretty much anything they want.
TK
I know that if I break that rule, my pilot and my business will be SEVERELY reprimanded, which in a free country, is just bullshit.
I also know that Presidential security as a whole costs more than it needs to. And I know that i am willing to speak up about it when I see tax dollars abused in that manner.
What elsew do I know?
- I know that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11
- I know that Iraq has no WMD's
- i know that we will be paying for this war for a very long time, but I do not feel much more secure in the world.
- I know that i do feel more secure when I fly in an airplane (something they improved on but still overdid it)
- I know that my personal freedoms are LESS than they were before 9/11 and that it may only get worse, not better.
- I know that the mroe I rant about the government, the more likely it is that I will end up on some 'watch list'
I know that the American people in general are fearful and the government plays on that to get them to agree to do pretty much anything they want.
TK
Jimbo 0
QuoteI do not know what the real threats are to the President
If that's the case then why did you make this statement?
Protect the President sure, but from REAL threats, not perceived ones.
Quotebut I know that my skydiving airplane, within even 10 NM of him is NOT a threat.
It's unfortunate, but the SS can't effectively check every single person's intentions before allowing them off the ground.
QuoteI also know that Presidential security as a whole costs more than it needs to. And I know that i am willing to speak up about it when I see tax dollars abused in that manner.
TK, you seem to 'know' an awful lot, why don't you share with us some of your solutions to the problem at hand.
QuoteI know that the American people in general are fearful and the government plays on that to get them to agree to do pretty much anything they want.
Elected by the people . . .
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Ron 10
QuoteI do not know what the real threats are to the President - but I know that my skydiving airplane, within even 10 NM of him is NOT a threat. But I have to shut down every time he comes to town.
Well how is anyone supposed to know who is a threat and who is not? Why should your plane be allowed to fly, but I would not be allowed to go rent a helicopter for a little sight seeing?
Fact is that you don't know what the possible threats to the President might be.
The SS might be going to far, but they have a job to protect the President. Before 9/11 no one really thought that comercial Aircraft would be used to kill 3,000 people, who knows what the next attack will be from.
QuoteI also know that Presidential security as a whole costs more than it needs to
And you know this based off of what, your deep understanding of "Precious Cargo" military operations from your time in the Delta Force?
TK, being a DZM of a great DZ does not make you an expert in personal security.
Your time at IBM might make you an expert in computer security and computer firewalls, but that does not mean you know about physical security or body armor.
QuoteWhat elsew do I know?
sure we can play this game.
Quote- I know that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11
Nope. But he did harbor terrorists and in fact gave money to the familes of suicide bombers...Not what I would call "innocent".
Also in a report from Douglas Feith:
QuoteThe memo’s contents reflected years of reporting compiled by U.S. intelligence agencies from various sources.
According to Hayes, fifty individual items (which he infers must be just the tip of the proverbial iceberg, since the bulk of materials seized from Iraqi files have yet to be analyzed) establish that Saddam Hussein collaborated extensively with bin Laden and his ilk in, for example, the following ways:
• Top Iraqi intelligence officials and other trusted representatives of Saddam Hussein met repeatedly with bin Laden and his subordinates. Since Saddam personally insisted that the relationship between the two be kept secret, the contents of their conversations have apparently not yet been discovered. It is a safe bet, though, that operational cooperation was among the topics discussed.
• According to the memo, U.S. intelligence received reports that Iraq provided safe havens, money, weapons and fraudulent Iraqi and Syrian passports to al Qaeda. It also provided training in the manufacture and use of sophisticated explosives. In that connection, bin Laden reportedly specifically requested that “[Brigadier Salim al-Ahmed,] Iraqi intelligence's premier explosives maker – especially skilled in making car bombs – remain with him in Sudan. The Iraqi intelligence chief instructed Salim to remain in Sudan with bin Laden as long as required.”
• A Malaysia-based Iraqi national, Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, reportedly secured a job at the airport in Kuala Lumpur thanks to help from Iraq’s embassy in Malasia. He subsequently facilitated the movement of two of the September 11 hijackers, Khalid al Midhar and Nawaq al Hamzi, through passport control and customs en route to an operational meeting in Kuala Lumpur on January 5, 2000. The memo notes that “One of the men at that al Qaeda operational meeting in the Kuala Lumpur Hotel was Tawfiz al Atash, a top bin Laden lieutenant later identified as the mastermind of the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole.”
• “Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi [a senior al Qaeda operative] said he was told by an al Qaeda associate that he was tasked to travel to Iraq (1998) to establish a relationship with Iraqi intelligence to obtain poisons and gases training. After the USS Cole bombing in 2000, two al Qaeda operatives were sent to Iraq for [Chemical and Biological Weapons] CBW-related training beginning in December 2000. Iraqi intelligence was ‘encouraged’ after the embassy and USS Cole bombings to provide this training.”
• The memo indicates that there were as many as four meetings between the alleged mastermind of the September 11th hijackings, Mohamed Atta, and the former Iraqi intelligence chief in Prague, Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al Ani. “During one of these meetings, al Ani ordered the Iraqi Intelligence Service [IIS] finance officer to issue Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office.”
So intel pointed to the fact that while Iraq had little or nothing to do with 9/11....Reports DID show a connection between SH and Al Qaeda.
Quote- I know that Iraq has no WMD's
Yes as far as we know he HAS none. However, we know he had them (since we sold/gave them to him.) And we know he never complied with the UN resolution that stated he had to show the world what he did with them.
Reference http://www.un.int/usa/sres-iraq.htm
QuoteRecognizing the threat Iraq’s non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,
Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,
Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,
Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,
Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,
A little bit of UN resolution 687 for ya:
Quote8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:
(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities;
(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;
9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above, the following:
(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;
They never did that in 12 years, and they had 15 days.
Also, several Democrats thought he had them as well..:
Quote"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country" --Gore, September 23,2003
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."--Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime...now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued decit and his consistant grasp for weapons of mass destruction...So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" --John F. Kerry, Jan 23, 2003.
Quote- i know that we will be paying for this war for a very long time, but I do not feel much more secure in the world.
We will be paying for this for a while...Thats a fact. Not feeling good is an opinion.
I bet that the people he oppressed didn't feel very good though...again an opinion from me.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
kallend 2,146
Quote>why is it that you feel qualified to comment on it?
If people here only posted on things they were qualified to discuss, this forum would consist of posts about beer, sex and farting. It's more or less intended for people to rail about topics they only dimly understand.
Just thought I'd mention that I have, in the past, been consultant to the SS. So I guess that makes me the most qualified around here. I have never been consulted about farting.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
"I have never been consulted about farting."
Welcome back John.
Welcome back John.
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He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson
rehmwa 2
QuoteI have never been consulted about farting.
What kind of diet would you recommend to maximize the volume/sound effect of a fart yet still minimize the olfactory impact?
Just need a little consulting here.
Welcome back. It's been kind of slow and not nearly as fun.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
What would the cost be to business, to freedom, and to the entire world, if the President was assassinated by terrorists?
How is it possible to present such a BS to the world! What else than "business profit" is the main motor which runs GWB @ friends? On the account of the average JoeInTheStreet???
dudeist skydiver # 3105
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