Hot for Teacher

[pleifer 0]

I would doubt also that a boy would not suffer from a lifetime of mental anguish over the event as a girl would.

The boy is going to be telling his buddies when he is twenty, yea I banged my 7th grade teacher and she was HOT!!!

If it was a older guy with a girl.... I would lead the lynch mob with a torch and pitch fork chanting "cut off his balls"

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[SkiD_PL8 0]

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But was the boy abused?

Yes.

Let's turn this around. There are sexual predators at the age of 13. What if the boy was the one that initiated the relationship?

Greenie in training.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I am not saying what she did was right as a matter of fact I know it was wrong.
But I can’t be the only one who doesn’t see it as the same if it was a male teacher and a female victim.
People say there should be no difference but the fact is that there is a difference.

I agree with you Darius.

[CornishChris 5]

I also agree that what happened was different from the actions between an older man and a younger girl. Doen't make it right - this kid still had his childhood taken away early - but it is different. He is a victim but I don't think he has undergone the same violations as would have been the case with a girl. It sounds like this happened on a number of occasions and unless he was 'up' for it this couldn't have happened.

I in no way condone this activity but it is different.

Also consider that sex with a 16 yo in the US is considered paedophilia or statuatory rape but in the UK, where the age of consent is lower, it is not. Are Britains perverts if they have sex with a 16 yo? What about the Dutch, where (correct me if wrong) the age of consent is 12?

I also think that in the UK, but again may be wrong, that there is no age of consent for boys, only girls. This does not excuse this womans actions again as she abused a position of authority. Anyway age of consent is something else to discuss.

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[funks 1]

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this kid still had his childhood taken away early - .

Like I said in an earlier statement, how do we not know that this kid hasnt already slept with half of his neighborhood. People seem to automatically assume this kid was a virgin and completely innocent because of his age. That is hardly the case nowadays for teenagers.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Let's turn this around. There are sexual predators at the age of 13. What if the boy was the one that initiated the relationship?

If consensual, he'd still not be a victim, and she'd still be wrong for taking advantage of a very young minor.

If not, it's assault or rape.

[CornishChris 5]

Good point. Taken. She was still abusing her position. He may be the coolest kid on the block now though...

CJP

Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people

[Casurf1978 0]

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If consensual, he'd still not be a victim, and she'd still be wrong for taking advantage of a very young minor.

If not, it's assault or rape.

Interesting point on it being consensual, but still it's not right IMHO. Sometimes I wonder what drives an adult to have sex with a kid. I just cant comprehend it and find it disgusting. There was a case in Sacramento a few years ago where a HS teacher had a relationship with one of his students. He was in his mid/early 20s and she was 17. The age gap was around 8 years. Any thoughts on such a case.

[SkiD_PL8 0]

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Let's turn this around. There are sexual predators at the age of 13. What if the boy was the one that initiated the relationship?

If consensual, he'd still not be a victim, and she'd still be wrong for taking advantage of a very young minor.

If not, it's assault or rape.

I am not saying consensual there are plenty of weak minded people out there that are vulnerable to sexual predators. Maybe she had a horrible childhood and she was ugly growing up. Then this kid came along and told her how beautiful she was and made her feel good about herself thereby putting himself in a position of power over her.

Greenie in training.

[wmw999 2,589]

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Maybe she had a horrible childhood and she was ugly growing up. Then this kid came along and told her how beautiful she was and made her feel good about herself thereby putting himself in a position of power over her

He's a kid. She isn't. In her case, as a teacher she has a particular responsibility to remember what appropriate relationships are. She abused her position. It doesn't matter if he's the most adult 13-year-old out there. His brain is different, it's not all there yet, even if he's really hot.

Her job is to remember that. If it's right, they can wait the 5 years until it's marginally appropriate.

A teacher should not do it with one of their students, regardless. At least wait until the kid is no longer in your class, and that's only if they're of age. It's just part of the job description to pay attention to that kind of thing.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,120]

>Maybe she had a horrible childhood and she was ugly growing up. Then
>this kid came along and told her how beautiful she was and made her feel
>good about herself thereby putting himself in a position of power over her.

Maybe, but that doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter how good a talker he was; she's an adult and responsible for her own actions.

[freeflight 0]

no sht man, if i had teachers like that when i was that age
i would have turned out a much better educated person.

the only reason everyone is so uptight about it is because there is too much religion involved in criminal law.
most of my friends started having sex around 14.

14 year olds may be too young to have children, but that's only because of the structure of modern society. it is just too difficult and too expansive.

as far as screwing around goes, 14 year olds are already sexually developed humans. (smarter kind of monkey)they can do it with each other but not with those older thn 18 or so? ridiculous!
every 14 year old should have a 27 year old teacher assigned to them for sex and homework.

when my kid turns 14 i will recruit a hot skydiving chic to teach him to fly and the ways with women.
when legislators introduced a new bill in moscow to make a new marrying age 14, i was shoked at first. after all it is a bunch of old men talking about what seems children. but hey, they only seem children because in this country people don't grow up at all.

[skydyvr 0]

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Let's turn this around. There are sexual predators at the age of 13. What if the boy was the one that initiated the relationship?

The teacher is a child molester no matter who initiated things.

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[flyangel2 2]

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The teacher is a child molester no matter who initiated things.

Agreed.

It seems that someone else in Bon Fire thinks this teacher is an angel.

My reply to him was:

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You say Angel, I say Sicko.


What if the role was reversed, some male PE teacher was having sex with a 13 year old girl. What would you call him?

This is a thread that makes me sick, to think you guys are all excited about a woman that is put in a position of trust, and has sex with a young boy. You guys need to grow up. I hope you never become parents.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[Michele 1]

Hi, Darius. I've been at work all day...sorry for the delayed reply.

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Do you think it is as damaging to the kid if it is a female teacher and a male victim and not vice versa?

What comes to mind is ask Billy Fuulau, Mary Kay Latoureau's victim. That's a seriously damaged guy...and he was 13 (iirc) when the first encounter happened.

As for me, yes, I do think there is damage done. I think we may not understand it as much as we do for female sexual abuse victims, because it's likely about as underreported a crime as any other. Because we don't have the understanding of the damage doesn't mean there isn't any/much done, it simply means we don't understand the long term damage done in male sexual assault victims.

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When i was 16 i had a 23 yearold GF. I never felt used or violated. I think of it as some of the best times i had

Very different circumstances. 16 is a far cry from 13, physically, mentally and emotionally. A girlfriend is a far cry from a teacher; the authority is not there, to start with, and the manipulation (which I am sure happened) from an authority figure is a significant violation.

In your situation, perhaps, there wasn't anything problematic. But at 13 it's a far cry from your situation on many levels.

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Let me add this disclaimer as many times my posts are misunderstood.
I am not saying what she did was right as a matter of fact I know it was wrong.

Oh, I understood that from the first. I know what you're trying to say...I just don't agree with it.

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But I can’t be the only one who doesn’t see it as the same if it was a male teacher and a female victim.

No, there are many people who will see it as you do. I happen to think that your perspective (or double standard, if you will) is seriously flawed. I don't care if a child sees having sex as a "badge of honor," they are still a child without the judgment to determine what is really a badge of honor or what could hurt them long term. For heaven's sake, long term for them is spring semester. They aren't even thinking about college or retirement or careers or whatever else constitutes long term...they haven't been on the planet long term yet, and their awareness of what is right and/or wrong is not fully formed.

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People say there should be no difference but the fact is that there is a difference.

I don't think there's a difference. Whether or not there should be one or not doesn't factor into my thinking. It's a 27 y/o teacher with a 13 year old. End of story for me.

Can you (or anyone) really articulate why there's a difference?

If one thinks that a 13 year old is mature enough to make decisions about who they will have sex with, and understands all the attendent ramifications (AIDs, children, emotional involvement [which does happen, again referencing Billy Fuulau], and so on), then one can extrapolate that the child is fully capable of right and wrong, and when, having committed and been found guilty of a death penalty case, should be judged on that level of maturity and no allowances be made for that. We, as a society, do not look at it that way. We have separate courts for juviniles, and treat them accordingly (with rare exception). So if they're fully capable of consenting, then perhaps they are fully capable of being sentenced to death.

I know that's rather extreme, but I am trying to draw a parallel about mentality and capable consent.

I really am lost as to why this is not seen as a victim/criminal situation...

And I'd also pose the question: do we as a society treat female child sexual abusers with the same ferocity as we do the male child sexual abusers? Do we have a societal double standard in this regard?

Some on this thread have already stated they wouldn't...I know I would.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[skydyvr 0]

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The teacher is a child molester no matter who initiated things.

Agreed.

Yea, I guess we're farther away from androgeny than I thought. Bummer.

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[newsstand 0]

Complete agreement here. The only harm done to this boy will be by the counselers that get ahold of him after the fact and explain how he was abused

Yes it is a double standard but I guarantee you he enjoyed what happened and if left alone about it won't be any worse for wear.

Is the reverse abuse 99.99% of the time yes because an adult male is taking advantage of different feelings from his victims. Was what this teacher did right, absolutely not but again long term harm is not likely.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[newsstand 0]

Watch the news and see how involved and when involved his mother was in the case. Money and fame were the motivaters not abuse.

"Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening."
-- Oliver Wendell Holmes

[happythoughts 0]

The basic thing that everyone is arguing about is the definition of abuse. There seems to be a different definition for men/women.

In this article, the definition of abuse and how questions are constructed during studies is defined in as clear a manner as I have seen.

Items that determine abuse:
Age of the person
Power differential - trusted adult, teachers, age differences.
Emotional response to the incident.

Large age differences were considered abuse quite frequently.

However, emotional response was a large factor also.
A child who observes a single incident of "flashing", may not consider it as important on a long-term basis. Just a shocking, odd event, but not life-altering.

Thirteen was one of the dividing lines for males.

For this person, the emotional response may vary.

For males, sometimes sex is just sex and it is great to have it. Sex without initimacy at a young age can have little painful consequences, but it also may cause problems establishing intimate relationships at an older age. Of course, even at an older age, a calloused attitude towards initimacy can be caused by any relationship.

Again, it depends on the emotional character of what happened.

Illegal? Yes. A bad idea? Yes. Harmful in the long-term? Doubtful.

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

Excellent Mar! MY reply right after yours to that same thread was the following:

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Agreed.

What kind of a demented pervert has sex with a child? I used to be a teacher, and I am completely disgusted by this pathetic excuse for a woman. If she was a physically disgusting-looking female, would everyone be calling her an angel, then? Would you all feel the same way if years down the road, she had sex with YOUR 13 years old? What if one of you men was married to her and knew she was cheating on you with 13 year old penis?

Jesus.

I am shocked at how far this double standard has gone. This teacher sexually seduced this 13-year old. It is morally unethical of her and against the law, no matter what the gender of the parties involved. Period. Even if he was already having sex with other 13-year old girls, it doesn't make what this teacher was doing to him any less sick and demented.

Think about it, everyone. This 13-year old may have some emotional and sexual problems within future relationships from this. This kid is probably just beginning to go through puberty and is emotionally not ready to have such an intense experience. Having sex with an authoritative figure in his life, who is more than double his age, much more sexually experienced and also MARRIED woman is just incredibly complex for ANYONE. What is this teaching him? He had been seduced by her looks and sexuality into being more promiscuous and less respectful of another person's wife. That is so wrong. Some of you may not understand, but let's face it, having sex at such a young age under such explosive circumstances is going to somehow affect his future sexual conduct...I promise you.

To everyone who is saying that this child was just having sex and was lucky...would he have been lucky if the teacher that had sex with him was a male? OR, would you call that sexual exploitation of a minor by a pedophile?

[miked10270 0]

Hi All,

This discussion is fascinating!
Firstly, there may be no doubt that the teacher has abused her position of trust & power over her pupil! But beyond that, the condemnation becomes somewhat blurred depending on the posters age, sex, and country of upbringing.

Speaking as a Western European Male who has lived in countries where the "age of consent" has been as low as twelve (!), and whose initial adult experiences were at a similar age & also at the hands (if that's the correct term) of an older woman, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the 13 year-old will be emotionally scarred. I do worry that his "dating expectations" are now more sophisticated than similarly aged females should he date them in the next few years, but any emotional scarring he will now suffer will be at the hands of the community he lives in!

IN THESE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES and assuming that the boy consented (& I have little doubt that he did!), then the less fuss that's made, the better. Further, I think that the "teacher" wasn't professionally involved with the child & if that is so then there wouldn't be a case of professional misconduct.

As the father of young boys, I also have to say that I would be comfortable with my boys losing their virginity at 13-14 years with a somewhat older, more experienced, more responsible woman. I'd certainly prefer that to them having sex with a similarly aged girl where NEITHER were mature enough to deal with the slightly embarrassing issue of contraception.

Plus it'd free up the bathroom for the rest of the family!!!

At the end of the day, the age that a child becomes sexually active is a matter of personal morality within the laws of the country/state. Any LAW on the "age of consent" is only a law, NOT a moral judgement.

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

[flyangel2 2]

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As the father of young boys, I also have to say that I would be comfortable with my boys losing their virginity at 13-14 years with a somewhat older, more experienced, more responsible woman. I'd certainly prefer that to them having sex with a similarly aged girl where NEITHER were mature enough to deal with the slightly embarrassing issue of contraception.

As the mother of boys, what is wrong with being celibate?

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I do worry that his "dating expectations" are now more sophisticated than similarly aged females should he date them in the next few years,

Why does dating have to lead to sex?

Call me old fashion, but I think you have sex with someone that you care deeply about, at an age when you can make a commitment to each other.

May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey

[rehmwa 2]

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Any LAW on the "age of consent" is only a law, NOT a moral judgement.

Sounds like the Dutch crossed the line (12?). That's nuts.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Tonto 1]

No such thing as a good looking child molester.

Are people saying good things about Michael Jackson because he's talented, rich and famous?

Or are they saying he alegedly abused his position of trust when dealing with minors?

It's a crime. Put her away for 100 years. I wasn't ready for sex at 13. I'm glad I waited as long as I did.

t

It's the year of the Pig.

[miked10270 0]

Before we go any further on this, let's all look at:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Now. Who has it right? Pitcairn Island? Iran? Chile? Paraguay? Tunisia? Madagascar? What about a Tunisian in Holland?

Perhaps it's The USA? Does that mean Iowa? South Carolina? Wisconsin? Virginia?

Let's say it's The UK. Would that be England/Scotland/Wales? Or Northern Ireland?

As I said, the law is only a law - it takes no account of individual maturity, either physical or emotional. What is interesting is that where the age of consent is split, it tends to be lower for boys than girls.

Many people's attitude to the age of consent reflects where they have been brought up (or vice versa). Yet AOC varies so widely suggesting there is no "right" age. Just a "preferred local" age which almost certainly does NOT reflect the unanimous view of the population!

Mike.

Edited to add: Interestingly, Had Turner committed the same acts in South Carolina rather than Tennessee then wouldn't the attitude be "Jumped the gun a little"?

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.