RoadRash 0 #1 February 9, 2005 Calling all doctors!!...I read an article the other day that cited a research study that stated that taking Vitamin E supplements can shorten your life span or even cause major health problems. I found this article: Doctors Debate Value of Vitamin E I work at a health food store and several of my managers and co-workers, especially the owner, claim that this is an attempt by the pharmaceutical industry to further cripple the supplement industry...I was curious if anyone else out there had an opinion on supplements and their positives and negatives (not only supplements like vitamin E, but herbal remedies that are considered supplements?) Where I work, it seems that everyday is a constant bickering battle that the FDA is out to get them and that pharmaceutical companies are just trying to get rid of the supplement industry because it is taking away from their revenue. Does the "supplement industry" really effect pharmaceutical companies significantly? I personally don't think so... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #2 February 9, 2005 Anything can kill you. Any 'supplement' is still a drug. All our drugs are based chemically on those things found in nature. Vitamin E is a blood thinner. In those with bleeding ulcers, blood clotting disorders, certain eye problems, it can be devastating. Betacarotene is a good thing, antioxidant, etc. But smoke and take betacarotene and your risk of lung cancer jumps. Vitamin A is also good antioxidant. Too much is hepatotoxic. Echinacea is great for immune systems, but in those susceptable, can trigger autoimmune disease (immune system attacks the person's own body). Every drug/pharmaceutical/nutrition supplement may have good effects. But anything that is bioactive can also have side effects. It isn't drug company propaganda, it is biochemistry. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #3 February 9, 2005 Supplements like vitamin E are no problem in doses comparable to RDA amounts - but can be toxic in very high concentrations. The US RDA is 30 mg/d (30 milligrams per day.) Once you exceed 3200 mg/d you might start to see problems. In other words, if you're taking more than 100 times the US RDA you might see some coagulopathy, osteoporosis or problems with your immune system. "Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #4 February 9, 2005 QuoteEvery drug/pharmaceutical/nutrition supplement may have good effects. But anything that is bioactive can also have side effects. It isn't drug company propaganda, it is biochemistry. Jen Tell my co-workers that......They are so convinced that "big pharma" is out to get them that they buy full page adds stating that the "type" of vitamin E in their products is good and won't kill you... Thanks for the reply...edited to add: Yep Bill...I had a woman come in the other day asking me why we didn't carry a "pill" that had 100,000 IU of Vitamin A...I told her we don't carry anything over 25,000...Mostly because they already look like horse pills...she proceeded to leave in a huff... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #5 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #6 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #7 February 9, 2005 Quote Tell my co-workers that......They are so convinced that "big pharma" is out to get them that they buy full page adds stating that the "type" of vitamin E in their products is good and won't kill you... Which is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. The performance sports side of the business is pretty ugly, even putting aside ephedra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #8 February 9, 2005 QuoteWhich is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. I agree...Sometimes they sound and act so paranoid that they don't help their case...Despite the fact that I think pharmaceutical companies have gotten advertising happy...I also think that the supplement industry is desperately doing the same thing...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #9 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R Thanks. 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You againDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #10 February 9, 2005 Most people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you. Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant and is definately protective. Studies have not been conclusive as to the effects of supplemental Vit E, but in moderate doses we tend to think that it is probably helpful for some things--especially cardiovascular health and cancer. Few people are vitamin E deficient. linz QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #11 February 9, 2005 QuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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RoadRash 0 #6 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #7 February 9, 2005 Quote Tell my co-workers that......They are so convinced that "big pharma" is out to get them that they buy full page adds stating that the "type" of vitamin E in their products is good and won't kill you... Which is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. The performance sports side of the business is pretty ugly, even putting aside ephedra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #8 February 9, 2005 QuoteWhich is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. I agree...Sometimes they sound and act so paranoid that they don't help their case...Despite the fact that I think pharmaceutical companies have gotten advertising happy...I also think that the supplement industry is desperately doing the same thing...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #9 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R Thanks. 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You againDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #10 February 9, 2005 Most people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you. Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant and is definately protective. Studies have not been conclusive as to the effects of supplemental Vit E, but in moderate doses we tend to think that it is probably helpful for some things--especially cardiovascular health and cancer. Few people are vitamin E deficient. linz QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #11 February 9, 2005 QuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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kelpdiver 2 #7 February 9, 2005 Quote Tell my co-workers that......They are so convinced that "big pharma" is out to get them that they buy full page adds stating that the "type" of vitamin E in their products is good and won't kill you... Which is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. The performance sports side of the business is pretty ugly, even putting aside ephedra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #8 February 9, 2005 QuoteWhich is one of the things that the supplements industry does that does not improve their image as tonic salesmen. I agree...Sometimes they sound and act so paranoid that they don't help their case...Despite the fact that I think pharmaceutical companies have gotten advertising happy...I also think that the supplement industry is desperately doing the same thing...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #9 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R Thanks. 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You againDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #10 February 9, 2005 Most people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you. Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant and is definately protective. Studies have not been conclusive as to the effects of supplemental Vit E, but in moderate doses we tend to think that it is probably helpful for some things--especially cardiovascular health and cancer. Few people are vitamin E deficient. linz QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #11 February 9, 2005 QuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Lindsey 0 #10 February 9, 2005 Most people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you. Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant and is definately protective. Studies have not been conclusive as to the effects of supplemental Vit E, but in moderate doses we tend to think that it is probably helpful for some things--especially cardiovascular health and cancer. Few people are vitamin E deficient. linz QuoteQuoteQuote"Who in their right mind would do that?" Maybe me. I've been taking 400 I.U. Vitamin E for a long time. How does a I.U. compare to a milligram? It does say It's 133% of the RDA. You have me wondering although I feel no adverse effects. See, this is where it gets sticky...I was on a medication that my doctor required me to stay on 800 IU of Vitamin E. I experienced no adverse effects and took 400 IU after treatment, of course I was still being monitored by a doctor...but still...Most people don't have any problems with Vitamin E 400 IU or below, but of course just like anything else you take, that could vary from person to person. The dosages that have people worried are waaaaaaaay above 400 IU...You probably don't have anything to worry about...... ~R+R-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #11 February 9, 2005 QuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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rickjump1 0 #11 February 9, 2005 QuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Lindsey 0 #12 February 9, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost people don't have any problems with water either, but too much of it can kill you...... If I choose to kill my self drinking it won't be with WATER. I want pints and pints of good dark ale with lots of Vitamin E. Good. I'll pick up some Beamish for the weekend Peace~ linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #13 February 9, 2005 Quote"Who in their right mind would do that?" you ask. Look no further than the bottles of 1000mg/tablet vitamin C on the shelf. Hey, if the RDA of vitamin C (60 mg/d) is good for your immune system, 1000 mg/d must be 20 times better! People can be stupid. Somewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #14 February 9, 2005 Quote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #15 February 10, 2005 QuoteQuote...can anyone say Trim Spa or Cortislim? What? You mean Cortislim doesn't remove all the fat from your tummy and all of the sudden you've got a gorgeous six-pack instead? ROFLAO!!!! And you will not believe the number of people who come in saying that they can already "feel" the fat just melting away......Then they turn around and buy bags of organic potato chips...Because the are healthy...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 February 17, 2005 Quote 400 IU is 1333% of the daily value; not the 133% I stated (misread the bottle). Thank You again the study i was in in college injected me with 10,000 IU bi-weekly... cant say that i felt/feel any negative effects at all... and i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extrakt 0 #17 February 17, 2005 I took Vitamin E in doses of 500IU 3 times a day for a quite a while. Diddn't notice any side effects. It’s hardly a dangerous drug. Go to the doctor and he will give you things that are heaps worse. "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #18 February 17, 2005 Yeah, no shit. These days everything is bad for you, except of course the prescription medicine the doctor gives you. I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #19 February 17, 2005 >I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #20 February 17, 2005 i still take 1200 IU every few days... wanna run 5k, compare scars or ask the bartender how old we look relatively (i'm 33 and get carded whenever i shave..) maybe its good gene's and diet.. maybe its something else? i'm not complaining, the chance of me dying of old age is slim to none..... Woody Allen said he wanted an extra pair of underwear packed in his casket just in case there is a "real" heaven. I think I'll just continue with the E, diet, and exercise too. I'm a wee older than you but could do the 5k off the pavementDo your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #21 February 17, 2005 Quote>I would take any herbal supplement or any vitamin over some pharmaceutical bullshit. There's this feeling out there that 'natural' remedies are better than pharmaceuticals, that organic food is better for you than factory farmed food etc. That can be a dangerous assumption. Arsenic, thorium, radium are all naturally occurring elements; plenty of natural foods (mushrooms, fruits of certain trees) will kill you very quickly. On the other hand, as we get better at making pharmaceuticals, and we better understand the metabolism of drugs, we've been getting better at making more targeted drugs that mimic the action of agents your body already makes. So the wise health-conscious person decides what to take based on what it does to your body, not whether it comes from a plant or a factory vat. I'm sorry, I'm not really that naive to think that just because something is natural it's safe. I'm mainly referring to vitamins, proteins, etc. I've taken quite a few prescriptions in my day. The main ones that do what they need to do without side effects are those that aren't meant to effect you psychologically. ie: Painkillers are definitely a necessary item in certain cases, as is sleeping aids (Ambien), and anxeity medicatiosn in certain cases (Valium). It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications (Wellbutrin, Zoloft, etc) to anybody who thinks they need a drug. The fact that they're advertising these on TV and radio now is a sign. Prescription drugs should be left to the doctor. A patient shouldn't go in and say "I want to be medicated on ___" just because a TV ad told him to. [I've had personal experience with being prescribed shit I didn't need, and having very bad (as in I was rushed to ER) side effects from it. And the doctors tried giving me more medication that conflicted with the first set. There's a reason I don't trust any of them.]This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewGPM 0 #22 February 17, 2005 QuoteSomewhere, Linus Pauling is smirking. From the Linus Pauling Institute, http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminE/ "Scientists at the Linus Pauling Institute feel there exists credible evidence that taking a supplement of 200 IU of natural source d-alpha-tocopherol (RRR-alpha-tocopherol) daily with a meal may help protect adults from chronic diseases like heart disease," Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for Alpha-Tocopherol Age Group mg/day (IU/day d-alpha-tocopherol) Infants 0-12 months Not Possible to Establish* Children 1-3 years 200 mg (300 IU) Children 4-8 years 300 mg (450 IU) Children 9-13 years 600 mg (900 IU) Adolescents 14-18 years 800 mg (1,200 IU) Adults 19 and older 1,000 mg (1,500 IU) Anything above these levels has a risk of hemorrhaging. They also recommend that you stop taking supplements 1 month before surgery Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Extrakt 0 #23 February 18, 2005 I couldn't agree more, Doctors have gone way overboard prescribing medications, especially for little things like the common cold. But on the other hand I don't advocate taking multitudes of natural supplements either, I used to do this but I now realise that most of it was unnecessary. The only thing I take now is a natural sinus supp to keep me jumping. Plus I can't afford them now that I spend all my money on jumping "If murder and suicide are illegal, then why is it ok to kill yourself and others with cigarettes?????" www.myspace.com/Hypoxicmusic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #24 February 18, 2005 >It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #25 February 18, 2005 Quote>It's just that recently doctors have gone off the wall with prescribing unnecessary medications . . . . . . and a great many people have gone overboard with taking too many unneccesary herbal remedies. They have even killed people. Both herbal remedies and prescription medication can injure or kill you if misused. Exactly...one of the reasons why the supplement industry is foaming at the mouth when they hear about the FDA and the possibility of having supplements fall under their control.... Unfortunately...I have seen the effects of people who took herbal supplements thinking that it was "better" for them...and abused the usage of them...(just like individuals who abuse prescription drugs)... People need to realize, no matter what you ingest in your body, it will have some kind of effect, whether it is a prescription or not. Example: I was taking a multivitamin by Solgar who makes vitamins designed specifically for men and women and add in herbal supplements that are supposed to be beneficial. However, the amount of Black Cohosh, which is supposed to be helpful for women, made me as sick as a dog. But to make sure it was just the black cohosh...I took a sample of black cohosh and it had the same effect...Just like a prescription drug, I experienced adverse effects and stopped "treatment." Unfortunately, if you have any underlying illnesses you are unaware of...well, an herbal supplement might give you a heart attack just as likely as a prescription drug...... ~R+R...~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
