vmsfreaky1 0 #1 February 7, 2005 Here you go... http://cryptome.org/ward-churchill.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #2 February 7, 2005 ??? Check out Wahhabist fundamentalists...there shall you find far more "truth" as to the motive of 9/11 then the rabid rantings of Professor Churchill. For more insight into OBL and AQ, one would suggest a google search, and begin to read his history and views, and why/how AQ was developed. Sad, really....but if this is what you believe, then that's your right. I don't believe this vitriolic, nihilistic commentary...but I also think it's an interesting read. To each their own... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #3 February 7, 2005 So I guess this the 1st of the 3 required America-bashing threads for this week? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 February 7, 2005 Hey Michelle. Remember Susan Rosenberg? Guess where she's teaching now? Yep, Hamilton College where our dear friend Professor Churchill teaches. Coincidence? I think not. http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110005979 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #5 February 7, 2005 QuoteThe truth about Iraq, 9/11 Interesting. I guess your expressed hatred of the jews has been extended to cover people of every race, religion, and nationaility, 'cause that's who was in the WTC that day. Congratulations. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyclearjohn 0 #6 February 7, 2005 Quote??? Check out Wahhabist fundamentalists...there shall you find far more "truth" as to the motive of 9/11 then the rabid rantings of Professor Churchill. For more insight into OBL and AQ, one would suggest a google search, and begin to read his history and views, and why/how AQ was developed. Sad, really....but if this is what you believe, then that's your right. I don't believe this vitriolic, nihilistic commentary...but I also think it's an interesting read. To each their own... Ciels- Michele Dunno about the who motivation for attack thing, but I found the comparisons of German and American citizens both being led astray by (and enthusiastically backing) fear mongering leaders with the resulting slide to fasism most chilling. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #7 February 7, 2005 QuoteYep, Hamilton College where our dear friend Professor Churchill teaches I thought Churchill was at UofCol. Hamilton was just where he was going to be speaking... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 February 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteYep, Hamilton College where our dear friend Professor Churchill teaches I thought Churchill was at UofCol. Hamilton was just where he was going to be speaking... J Duh. I stand corrected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #9 February 7, 2005 Quote . . . I found the comparisons of German and American citizens both being led astray by (and enthusiastically backing) fear mongering leaders with the resulting slide to fasism most chilling. I'm with you, the fear mongering in America is really getting out of hand. I'd say we're only 2-3 years away from herding all the Muslims into gas chambers. Well, maybe not that quickly, but at least within Bush's second term. Great comparison. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #10 February 7, 2005 QuoteDuh. I stand corrected. Still, interesting confluence, I think...what's the old saying: "Birds of a feather flock together," right? I am wondering why we have an entire new thread about this...LOL, like someone said, I guess this is the obligatory bash the US thread to start the week off. Oh well...to each their own. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 February 7, 2005 Where to start? Well #1, congrats on starting the US bashing early. Also the sanctions on Iraq where UN, not US. Amazing that his people were doing so badly, but Saddam was living in one of many multi-million dollar palaces....See maybe you should blame SH for Iraqs problems back then, not the UN sanctions... Many people think that ISlam started the Cusaides by attacking to expand the religion. The Crusaides were a reaction to that. Good grief. If this is what you believe, then I see and understand your hatred for the US and the Jews. Unfortunately, most of papers "facts" are not worth using as ass wipe."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #12 February 7, 2005 Well, if you want a thread where people discussed this guy Churchill without spouting "the truth," you can check this week-old thread. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1457730;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Or you can repost it and make it into a shouting match and US/Bush bashing thread.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyclearjohn 0 #13 February 7, 2005 QuoteQuote . . . I found the comparisons of German and American citizens both being led astray by (and enthusiastically backing) fear mongering leaders with the resulting slide to fasism most chilling. I'm with you, the fear mongering in America is really getting out of hand. I'd say we're only 2-3 years away from herding all the Muslims into gas chambers. Well, maybe not that quickly, but at least within Bush's second term. Great comparison. I am only secondarily concerned with what we do with Muslims (guess I'm just the insensitive type). My primary concern is what I see us doing with US citizens. How do you think social sysems change? Poof! and things are radically different? I'm guessing you're young. Not meaning to be offensive, we all have to suffer the absulute clearsighted vision of youth. Well, I'm old, old enough to gain a bit of perspective of how things change over a period of years and decades. To ask a rhetorical question, how many German citizens saw the gas chambers coming? To answer you somewhat theatrical question, no, we won't build gas chambers. We condemned that pretty harshly at one time, I doubt we could pull it off without biffing. I don't know precisely where we are going. I see the direction, however, and am concerned. If you are not, then you should be fairly bursting with happiness and patriotic pride right now. I'm happy for you. Me, for the first time in my life, I'm more than a bit ashamed of US. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #14 February 7, 2005 QuoteMy primary concern is what I see us doing with US citizens. Like what? In light of the new threat of terrorism here, nothing should change? QuoteWell, I'm old, old enough to gain a bit of perspective of how things change over a period of years and decades. In a room full of Churchill fans, you'd probably find yourself to be a very lonely old man, if you know what I mean. QuoteTo ask a rhetorical question, how many German citizens saw the gas chambers coming? I don't know, but the general populace was pretty busy clubbing Jews over the head and otherwise abusing them for a long time prior to Hitler's "final solution". Nothing even remotely comparable, "chilling" or otherwise, is occurring in the US these days. QuoteI doubt we could pull it off without biffing. As if there was some desire by ANY significant party in our nation to do this . . . sheesh. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 February 7, 2005 QuoteSo I guess this the 1st of the 3 required America-bashing threads for this week? Yeah, and those three will be just from vmsfreaky... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 February 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo I guess this the 1st of the 3 required America-bashing threads for this week? Yeah, and those three will be just from vmsfreaky... Maybe we should start a thread that keeps track of all the American Bashers. They could all compete for a month and we could rate them on different criteria like: 1. Who's Bash is the most hateful. 2. Who Bash stretches the truth the most. 3. Who's Bash is the most likely a troll. We could call it The Michael Moore Award. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #17 February 7, 2005 >Maybe we should start a thread that keeps track of all the American Bashers. We could also do the same for all the pro-war folks. We could rate them on: -number of times "Bush never said it was about the WMD's!" is mentioned -number of times they slam the lying liberal press for daring to report that US soldiers are being killed in Iraq daily -number of times they claim "we've really turned the corner now!" -civilian casualties they cover up or describe as perfectly acceptable -slams on US military who have the gall to oppose the war -attempts to describe recently discovered mouthwash stockpiles as WMD's We could have a "describe the unvarnished joy and peace in Iraq in 100 words or less" competition. We could call it the Iraqi Information Ministry award. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 February 7, 2005 Quote>Maybe we should start a thread that keeps track of all the American Bashers. We could also do the same for all the pro-war folks. We could rate them on: -number of times "Bush never said it was about the WMD's!" is mentioned -number of times they slam the lying liberal press for daring to report that US soldiers are being killed in Iraq daily -number of times they claim "we've really turned the corner now!" -civilian casualties they cover up or describe as perfectly acceptable -slams on US military who have the gall to oppose the war -attempts to describe recently discovered mouthwash stockpiles as WMD's We could have a "describe the unvarnished joy and peace in Iraq in 100 words or less" competition. We could call it the Iraqi Information Ministry award. Naw. I like the Michael Moore Award better. Much more to work with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #19 February 7, 2005 QuoteWhen queried by reporters concerning his views on the assassination of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, Malcolm X famously – and quite charitably, all things considered – replied that it was merely a case of "chickens coming home to roost." Does the statement of Malcolm X apply to Malcolm X also? ...and Malcolm X was then killed by whom? Was that "chickens coming home to roost"? If crimes of violence against political figures all have a cause, what was it that Malcolm X did to black people to deserve his murder? Or was it just an assassination because he taking away too much political power from the established black power figures? This guy uses the rationalization that the victims deserved it or somehow caused their own fate. This used to be the defense for rape cases. QuoteIn trying to affix a meaning to such things, we would do well to remember the wave of elation that swept America at reports of what was happening along the so-called Highway of Death: perhaps 100,000 "towel-heads" and "camel jockeys" – or was it "sand niggers" that week? – in full retreat, routed and effectively defenseless, many of them conscripted civilian laborers, slaughtered in a single day by jets firing the most hyper-lethal types of ordnance. A nice spin on history. I believe that this is a reference to the end of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Before someone puts Iraq on a pedestal, Iraq invaded Kuwait for what higher moral purpose? Oh, a nice bit of unsupported inflammatory racist remarks. They were killed because they were Middle Eastern? The Kuwaitis that the Iraqis killed are from where? A line of military vehicles is a valid military target. If you lose, you don't get to take your toys home. There were thousands of Iraqis who surrendered. Retreating isn't the same as surrendering. Some people were identified as civilians because they were on civilian transports and had the property of civilians. A stolen bus/truck with looted property. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
