Ron 10 #26 February 10, 2005 QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure there are. #1. Being so lazy and not being willing to get off your ass and WORK. Thats a damn good reason. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah I can agree with that. 'Hey, you there. Yeah you in Darfur, I'm talking to you ya lazy fucker. Ever think about getting a damn job instead of lazing around in a cushy refugee camp? Nah didn't think so. Same goes for you twats in Banda Aceh as well.' Come on Ron, the world these people live in is not the same world that we live in. Its not even close. When you can't eat you can't work, when you can't drink you can't work. When western countries tell your landowners how to 'improve' food production by using chemicals and machinery and only 5% of their current workforce, well you get my drift. Reread the question. Ill print it here for you: QuoteThere is NOT ONE reason why there should be a single person going hungry on this planet. In both of the examples you cited there are other issues at work than just people being lazy....Those are also reasons...So your own answer gives even more reasons. However, those situations you brought up are not what most people would defend. So I answered the question: There is NOT ONE reason why there should be a single person going hungry on this planet... By answering a reason that the person themselves could control barring other influences. There are several other reasons why someone would go hungry.... Fasting for religious reasons is another. I could go on. So there ARE several reason why people on this planet would go hungry. I just chose to give ONE of the answers. You gave another, then I added a third. See there are plenty of reasons why people would go hungry. I answered one that has an answer: Work, don't expect handouts... Another answer would be: Don't fast for religious reasons. Your answer would be for people not to commit genocide and treat people that are not like them like dirt... See there are several reasons why people would go hungry."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #27 February 10, 2005 If you look at my statement it was very broad. Ron just picked me up on it. My statement could have been referring to people in industrialized countries who are given the opportunity to work but just can't be bothered and let their family go hungry. What I was trying to say, as I corrected myself above, is that there is no reason why innocent people should not be given the chance to work and feed their families. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #28 February 10, 2005 Absolutely, real free trade is one of the biggest factors that could lead to reducing poverty in the 3rd World although just allowing the countries free trade will not be enough to tackle the problem quickly enough. If there is something we can do to help these countries get on their feet sooner then we need to do it, until then something like 50,000 people will die everyday until it happens. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #29 February 10, 2005 QuoteCancelling debit means they don't pay us money... And this will affect your everyday life how? They can't afford to pay it anyway, makes hardly any difference. The fact that the US spends more on pornography each year than the entire debt of the countries in sub-saharan Africa might put some things into perspective. We have nothing to complain about in the industrialised world, nothing at all. Don't get me wrong, nothing against pornography here! ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #30 February 10, 2005 QuoteAbsolutely, real free trade is one of the biggest factors that could lead to reducing poverty in the 3rd World although just allowing the countries free trade will not be enough to tackle the problem quickly enough. If there is something we can do to help these countries get on their feet sooner then we need to do it, until then something like 50,000 people will die everyday until it happens. It wont happen any day soon. Free trade would mean wages in western nations would plummet. Rich nations are all very happy to help out poorer nations as long as it doesn't impact their own prosperity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #31 February 11, 2005 Yeah sad but true. I personally think we owe it to them for all we've taken from them and I for one wouldn't mind making the sacrifices to make things right. Alright not the most popular idea in here but there's still a few hippys left. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #32 February 11, 2005 My apologies, hasty post, ill thought out. It just seemed to me after I skimmed over your post that you were applying arguments against a US welfare state to what I feel is a totally different situation. Sorry.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 February 11, 2005 QuoteMy apologies, hasty post, ill thought out. No worries... I replied to him in a bigger sense than the question he asked. I don't have a big problem with absolving the debt....But I would expect them to change the way the do business. Why absolve the debt if they are going to continue to do the same things in the same ways?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 February 11, 2005 QuoteI personally think we owe it to them for all we've taken from them and I for one wouldn't mind making the sacrifices to There's a statement I hear a lot. If we've taken from them, then why are they in debt to us? How about a tangible list of those things taken and compare it to that given? Or is it just more unjustified self beatings. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #35 February 11, 2005 QuoteIf we've taken from them, then why are they in debt to us? Because we've sold them loans. QuoteHow about a tangible list of those things taken and compare it to that given? Or is it just more unjustified self beatings. We've bought their natural resources at extremely cheap prices. We use their labour to produce goods more cheaply than we can do in our own countries. At the same time we prevent them from trading their goods in our markets by implementing import restrictions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropoutdave 0 #36 February 11, 2005 QuoteI don't have a big problem with absolving the debt....But I would expect them to change the way the do business. Why absolve the debt if they are going to continue to do the same things in the same ways? Same here, that's why i'm all for it depending on what kind of plans and conditions they draw up for the countries that are eligible for it. ------------------------------------------------------ May Contain Nut traces...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #37 February 11, 2005 QuoteBecause we've sold them loans. We've bought their natural resources at extremely cheap prices. We use their labour to produce goods more cheaply than we can do in our own countries. At the same time we prevent them from trading their goods in our markets by implementing import restrictions. So let me get this straight - we sold them loans, bought their products, hired their people. How horrible, we should stop that immediately. Trade restrictions, that's a real one for those countries it applies to. But the reason(s) for a trade restriction needs to be done one at a time to check the intent and the merit and the results before just tossing out that as a 'in general' statement. I'll throw that out and really don't want to go through each trade agreement and restriction for each 3rd world country. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #38 February 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteAdditionally, stop sending money, period. Cancelling debit means they don't pay us money... I'm aware of that. You need to see my previous response prior to what you replied to. I was asked what answers I had if not to cancel the debt. I answered.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #39 February 14, 2005 This is what our donations end up supporting... QuoteTen BMWs for Swazi king's wives Swaziland's King Mswati III has bought 10 new BMW series 5 cars for his wives. Swaziland's media reports that it has cost him $820,000. The 36-year-old king frequently hits the headlines with stories about his lavish lifestyle. Two months ago, Africa's only remaining absolute monarch was criticised for buying himself a $500,000 luxury car. Swaziland has one of the world's highest Aids rates and about a third of his subjects rely on food aid handouts. "This is basically an upgrade of the ones they have been using," a royal official told the Swazi Times The Maybach car, which the king bought in December, has a television, DVD player, 21-speaker surround-sound system, fridge, cordless telephone and sterling silver champagne flutes. As well as 10 wives, the king has three fiancees. In recent years, he has asked parliament for $15m to build a palace for each of his spouses and $45m to buy a royal jet. Street protests led to him abandoning the plans to buy a luxury jet. Swaziland's unemployment rate stands at 40% while almost 70% of the country's one-million population live on an average daily income of $1 or less. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4263599.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
