SkyDekker 1,465 #76 February 4, 2005 QuoteLet's play "find the word he didn't say, that you are putting in his mouth," shall we? Okay, so was he trained to shoot to injure? Or was he trained to shoot at their feet so they would dance? Or maybe the US Marine Corps trained him to disarm the opponent by shooting the gun from their hands? Or maybe general orders are to shoot the guy in the leg? Or maybe they shoot to kill? What do you think Tom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #77 February 4, 2005 >And when they describe that part of their job as fun, I would find that scary as well. There are some scary people out there. There are serial killers who like to kill so much that they do it again and again; they're definitely scary. But if someone who enjoys killing does it as part of his job as a marine, we give them medals and call them heroes. That's the nature of war. Again, if people are uncomfortable with that, avoid the war rather than attack the person who is doing their job in that war. Like it or not, we train people to kill other people. It's not unheard of to like your job, even if it's something most people are uncomfortable with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #78 February 4, 2005 QuoteWhat do you think Tom? I think that neither the Marine, nor the article you linked to uses the work "kill." That's your word. You injected it into the argument. I think that changing the terminology is an excellent device for arousing argument and emotion. He didn't say he enjoyed killing. He said he enjoyed fighting. Killing is pretty much universally regarded as immoral in polite society. Fighting, not so much.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #79 February 4, 2005 QuoteHe said he enjoyed fighting. He said he enjoyed shooting them. They shoot to kill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #80 February 4, 2005 Quote There are some scary people out there. There are serial killers who like to kill so much that they do it again and again; they're definitely scary. But if someone who enjoys killing does it as part of his job as a marine, we give them medals and call them heroes. That's the nature of war. Again, if people are uncomfortable with that, avoid the war rather than attack the person who is doing their job in that war. Like it or not, we train people to kill other people. It's not unheard of to like your job, even if it's something most people are uncomfortable with. These scary folks are standing in front of an audience. Cameras. They represent the US. That's scary. Not everybody on this site or watching TV or living in US or Europe is a marine and therefore, familiar with war: What this man said, is leaving a dirty spot on the US. Scary. My personal impression. I feel scared now. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #81 February 4, 2005 Personally, on your side of the pond,I would be more concerned with the increasing popularity of the Neo-Nazis than a USMC general,the Neo-Nazis stand a lot better chance of doing something scary in your immediate vicinity rather than a USMC general......perhaps there is a flaw in german culture that is contributing to this resurgence in Neo-Nazism?Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #82 February 4, 2005 Quotethere is a flaw in german culture that is contributing to this resurgence in Neo-Nazism? ??? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #83 February 4, 2005 QuotePersonally, on your side of the pond,I would be more concerned with the increasing popularity of the Neo-Nazis than a USMC general,the Neo-Nazis stand a lot better chance of doing something scary in your immediate vicinity rather than a USMC general......perhaps there is a flaw in german culture that is contributing to this resurgence in Neo-Nazism? No. No flaw. Problem is, these Neo's have so many good contacts to the US Neo's. There are so many of them, it's incredible. Why does the US allow that? Just a question. Rest assured, ours are not forgotten, we have an eye on them. In the US, they have much more rights to spread their ideas, it's incredible.... But, that is not the title of this thread, right? These idiots do not have the audience to tell the world how funny it is to shoot at someone, yeah, how great it is, yeah, how much they enjoy their job. Yeah. And just BTW: How to compare actual killing confessions with the Neo-Nazis? Nice little diversion, right? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #84 February 4, 2005 Quote you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." I agree with him.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #85 February 4, 2005 QuoteThey're both races, and you can't kill someone because you "assume" they beat their women. Not all of them do, so it's not a fair statement. If you want to pick nits about it, they're not races, but members of a religious nation. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #86 February 4, 2005 QuoteNo. No flaw. Well,since German culture is flawless,and the US Neos are responsible for enlisting the German Neos,I'm moving to Deutschland ***And just BTW: How to compare actual killing confessions with the Neo-Nazis? You stated you were "scared" by the statements made by a USMC general.......I was merely pointing out the more immediate threat to your well-being and safetyMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #87 February 4, 2005 QuoteIn the US, they have much more rights to spread their ideas, it's incredible.... Perhaps you can loan us some of your thought police. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #88 February 4, 2005 Quote your thought police. No one available over here, look in front of you own door dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #89 February 4, 2005 QuoteHe said he enjoyed shooting them. They shoot to kill. The two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Brawling and killing aren't necessarily the same either. A boxer might enjoy brawling, or fighting, but not killing. The two words are different, and have different meanings. Saying that you enjoy one activity is not equiivalent to saying you enjoy the other. For example, a swooper might enjoy flying his canopy, but not exiting the aircraft. But, you might say, you must exit to fly. And so he exits the aircraft, not because he enjoys that particular act, but because he enjoys the swooping.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #90 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe said he enjoyed shooting them. They shoot to kill. The two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Quote Do not tell me anything about a difference between shooting and killing. I AM a hunter since more than 15 yrs, and if a shoot, I want to kill. Otherwise, I could've stayed at home and watch TV. This man said it's funny to shoot at somebody. He confirmed that he's enjoying to shoot. He wants to shoot, he's aiming, he wants to kill. And he wants to tell this to the world. Why? That's his secret. He simply is doing a disserve to his country with such statements. That's reason why I do complain. That's not a US bashing. But to tell the truth: What I heard, noticed, read in the last weeks, not only watching and listening, your glorious leader GWB, is scaring me. Why does megalomania comes into mind? B/c there once was someone? The word "war" is too popular presently. Sorry, I am discursive. Just one last word: Even in war (where in this thread?) , there are ethics. Rules. Right? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 February 4, 2005 QuoteThe two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Brawling and killing aren't necessarily the same either. A boxer might enjoy brawling, or fighting, but not killing. The two words are different, and have different meanings. Saying that you enjoy one activity is not equiivalent to saying you enjoy the other. For example, a swooper might enjoy flying his canopy, but not exiting the aircraft. But, you might say, you must exit to fly. And so he exits the aircraft, not because he enjoys that particular act, but because he enjoys the swooping. Right, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? You are right, hunting and killing is not the same. In this case that analogy doesn't wash. They are trained to kill with a shot, shoot to kill. Anyways, just my opinion that it is scary....but some seem to be truly happy that there are people that enjoy killing. Many seem to be okay with the whole judge, jury and executioner thing and with the generalization that all Muslim men in Iraq and Afghanistan hit their wives. Guess it allows them to justify things in their minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #92 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteAfter quotes like that, I'm thinking his career is about to end. I'm thinking that if I need someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy, he's the man for the job. Here's another nutty military commander: "There is nothing more exhilarating than to have been shot at, and missed." - Winston ChurchillWhat do you want? Commanders who who are kinder and gentler towards the enemy? Hi JR Wasn't there a famous General during the Korea war that was "someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy". That had to "retire" (resign, fired) What was his name General Mcarther (sp).Whats your take on why Pres. Harry Trumen (sp) sent Mac out to pasture? Was it for running off his mouth to the press Or because he wanted to chase the N. Koreans into China and kill all the yellow commie bastards Rummy got in touble for foot in mouth, now the General put foot in mouth. Next Lets not forget our soldiers and their familes after they return home R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #93 February 5, 2005 But what if he's right, what if it really IS fun to kill some people? All I'm saying is don't knock it until you've tried it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #94 February 5, 2005 QuoteRight, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? Actually, from reading what he said, I'd guess he enjoys the excitement of combat and the feeling of helping make the world a better place (in his eyes, anyway).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #95 February 5, 2005 Are you still serving? Somewhere "over there"? Would like to know. Just to make up my mind. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JesseP 0 #96 February 5, 2005 You are correct that he is not quoted as saying he enjoys killing people. However, using progressive logic and basic comprehension skills, it is not unreasonable to conclude that a result of his shooting people is them dying. What I get from the quote is that he enjoys the exhilaration of combat (I'm sure it's intense), as well as the feeling of shooting (and killing) the bad guys. To keep highlighting the fact that he didn't use the word 'killing' is correct, but a little obstinate. Maybe a little too semantic for me. I'm not sure I have a problem with him saying it though. Each to their own and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #97 February 5, 2005 personally, I think this thread has run it's course Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #98 February 5, 2005 Oh hell yes, the poor guy's career is probably finished by now. As a general in the public spotlight he probably shouldn't have said it. I'm not a vet, but a friend of mine at a job once about fourteen years ago, who is a Vietnam vet told me how exciting a firefight can be. He said it's scary too, but it's a hell of an adrenaline rush. I think we can relate to that as skydivers. He was nineteen years old when he served over there. I suppose if you have to get into a kill or be killed firefight with some people who are just as scared as you that it can only help your chances of surviving, winning, and carrying out your mission if you can generate a little enthusiasm over a situation you can't change anyway. The general was just telling us something that every combat vet knows. He probably should've kept his mouth shut in front of the press though, the average couch potato back home doesn't want to trouble him or herself to have to think about stuff like this. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #99 February 5, 2005 Quote***you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." I agree with him. It's pretty unlikely that every Afghani or foreign fighter in Afghanistan was a woman beater don't you think? This is a typical example of where the enemy gets demonized just to make it easier on the concience of those that are there killing them. Both sided of this silly war on terror are equally guilty of this shit. 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Jimbo 0 #87 February 4, 2005 QuoteIn the US, they have much more rights to spread their ideas, it's incredible.... Perhaps you can loan us some of your thought police. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #88 February 4, 2005 Quote your thought police. No one available over here, look in front of you own door dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #89 February 4, 2005 QuoteHe said he enjoyed shooting them. They shoot to kill. The two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Brawling and killing aren't necessarily the same either. A boxer might enjoy brawling, or fighting, but not killing. The two words are different, and have different meanings. Saying that you enjoy one activity is not equiivalent to saying you enjoy the other. For example, a swooper might enjoy flying his canopy, but not exiting the aircraft. But, you might say, you must exit to fly. And so he exits the aircraft, not because he enjoys that particular act, but because he enjoys the swooping.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #90 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteHe said he enjoyed shooting them. They shoot to kill. The two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Quote Do not tell me anything about a difference between shooting and killing. I AM a hunter since more than 15 yrs, and if a shoot, I want to kill. Otherwise, I could've stayed at home and watch TV. This man said it's funny to shoot at somebody. He confirmed that he's enjoying to shoot. He wants to shoot, he's aiming, he wants to kill. And he wants to tell this to the world. Why? That's his secret. He simply is doing a disserve to his country with such statements. That's reason why I do complain. That's not a US bashing. But to tell the truth: What I heard, noticed, read in the last weeks, not only watching and listening, your glorious leader GWB, is scaring me. Why does megalomania comes into mind? B/c there once was someone? The word "war" is too popular presently. Sorry, I am discursive. Just one last word: Even in war (where in this thread?) , there are ethics. Rules. Right? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #91 February 4, 2005 QuoteThe two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Brawling and killing aren't necessarily the same either. A boxer might enjoy brawling, or fighting, but not killing. The two words are different, and have different meanings. Saying that you enjoy one activity is not equiivalent to saying you enjoy the other. For example, a swooper might enjoy flying his canopy, but not exiting the aircraft. But, you might say, you must exit to fly. And so he exits the aircraft, not because he enjoys that particular act, but because he enjoys the swooping. Right, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? You are right, hunting and killing is not the same. In this case that analogy doesn't wash. They are trained to kill with a shot, shoot to kill. Anyways, just my opinion that it is scary....but some seem to be truly happy that there are people that enjoy killing. Many seem to be okay with the whole judge, jury and executioner thing and with the generalization that all Muslim men in Iraq and Afghanistan hit their wives. Guess it allows them to justify things in their minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #92 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteAfter quotes like that, I'm thinking his career is about to end. I'm thinking that if I need someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy, he's the man for the job. Here's another nutty military commander: "There is nothing more exhilarating than to have been shot at, and missed." - Winston ChurchillWhat do you want? Commanders who who are kinder and gentler towards the enemy? Hi JR Wasn't there a famous General during the Korea war that was "someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy". That had to "retire" (resign, fired) What was his name General Mcarther (sp).Whats your take on why Pres. Harry Trumen (sp) sent Mac out to pasture? Was it for running off his mouth to the press Or because he wanted to chase the N. Koreans into China and kill all the yellow commie bastards Rummy got in touble for foot in mouth, now the General put foot in mouth. Next Lets not forget our soldiers and their familes after they return home R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #93 February 5, 2005 But what if he's right, what if it really IS fun to kill some people? All I'm saying is don't knock it until you've tried it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #94 February 5, 2005 QuoteRight, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? Actually, from reading what he said, I'd guess he enjoys the excitement of combat and the feeling of helping make the world a better place (in his eyes, anyway).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #95 February 5, 2005 Are you still serving? Somewhere "over there"? Would like to know. Just to make up my mind. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JesseP 0 #96 February 5, 2005 You are correct that he is not quoted as saying he enjoys killing people. However, using progressive logic and basic comprehension skills, it is not unreasonable to conclude that a result of his shooting people is them dying. What I get from the quote is that he enjoys the exhilaration of combat (I'm sure it's intense), as well as the feeling of shooting (and killing) the bad guys. To keep highlighting the fact that he didn't use the word 'killing' is correct, but a little obstinate. Maybe a little too semantic for me. I'm not sure I have a problem with him saying it though. Each to their own and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #97 February 5, 2005 personally, I think this thread has run it's course Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tbrown 26 #98 February 5, 2005 Oh hell yes, the poor guy's career is probably finished by now. As a general in the public spotlight he probably shouldn't have said it. I'm not a vet, but a friend of mine at a job once about fourteen years ago, who is a Vietnam vet told me how exciting a firefight can be. He said it's scary too, but it's a hell of an adrenaline rush. I think we can relate to that as skydivers. He was nineteen years old when he served over there. I suppose if you have to get into a kill or be killed firefight with some people who are just as scared as you that it can only help your chances of surviving, winning, and carrying out your mission if you can generate a little enthusiasm over a situation you can't change anyway. The general was just telling us something that every combat vet knows. He probably should've kept his mouth shut in front of the press though, the average couch potato back home doesn't want to trouble him or herself to have to think about stuff like this. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #99 February 5, 2005 Quote***you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." I agree with him. It's pretty unlikely that every Afghani or foreign fighter in Afghanistan was a woman beater don't you think? This is a typical example of where the enemy gets demonized just to make it easier on the concience of those that are there killing them. Both sided of this silly war on terror are equally guilty of this shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #100 February 5, 2005 QuoteI suppose if you have to get into a kill or be killed firefight with some people who are just as scared as you that it can only help your chances of surviving, winning, and carrying out your mission if you can generate a little enthusiasm over a situation you can't change anyway Someone gets it. These kinds of debates allways show the did's and the did not's. If you served, you understand the guy. If you stayed at home and watched it on TV you don't. There are a few exceptions.....You seem to be one. Others can't resist a chance at slamming the US...Agin. Oh well, I am glad we have guys like this General with guns in the service."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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SkyDekker 1,465 #91 February 4, 2005 QuoteThe two things (shooting and killing) are not necessarily the same. For example, a hunter might say he enjoys hunting, but not killing. Or a murderer might say he enjoys killing, but not shooting. A target shooter might enjoy shooting, but never kill anything. Brawling and killing aren't necessarily the same either. A boxer might enjoy brawling, or fighting, but not killing. The two words are different, and have different meanings. Saying that you enjoy one activity is not equiivalent to saying you enjoy the other. For example, a swooper might enjoy flying his canopy, but not exiting the aircraft. But, you might say, you must exit to fly. And so he exits the aircraft, not because he enjoys that particular act, but because he enjoys the swooping. Right, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? You are right, hunting and killing is not the same. In this case that analogy doesn't wash. They are trained to kill with a shot, shoot to kill. Anyways, just my opinion that it is scary....but some seem to be truly happy that there are people that enjoy killing. Many seem to be okay with the whole judge, jury and executioner thing and with the generalization that all Muslim men in Iraq and Afghanistan hit their wives. Guess it allows them to justify things in their minds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #92 February 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteAfter quotes like that, I'm thinking his career is about to end. I'm thinking that if I need someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy, he's the man for the job. Here's another nutty military commander: "There is nothing more exhilarating than to have been shot at, and missed." - Winston ChurchillWhat do you want? Commanders who who are kinder and gentler towards the enemy? Hi JR Wasn't there a famous General during the Korea war that was "someone to go do tough, aggressive battle with the enemy". That had to "retire" (resign, fired) What was his name General Mcarther (sp).Whats your take on why Pres. Harry Trumen (sp) sent Mac out to pasture? Was it for running off his mouth to the press Or because he wanted to chase the N. Koreans into China and kill all the yellow commie bastards Rummy got in touble for foot in mouth, now the General put foot in mouth. Next Lets not forget our soldiers and their familes after they return home R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #93 February 5, 2005 But what if he's right, what if it really IS fun to kill some people? All I'm saying is don't knock it until you've tried it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #94 February 5, 2005 QuoteRight, you are telling me he meant that he enjoys the actual feeling of pulling the trigger, of feeling the recoil, the sound of the shot? Actually, from reading what he said, I'd guess he enjoys the excitement of combat and the feeling of helping make the world a better place (in his eyes, anyway).-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #95 February 5, 2005 Are you still serving? Somewhere "over there"? Would like to know. Just to make up my mind. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JesseP 0 #96 February 5, 2005 You are correct that he is not quoted as saying he enjoys killing people. However, using progressive logic and basic comprehension skills, it is not unreasonable to conclude that a result of his shooting people is them dying. What I get from the quote is that he enjoys the exhilaration of combat (I'm sure it's intense), as well as the feeling of shooting (and killing) the bad guys. To keep highlighting the fact that he didn't use the word 'killing' is correct, but a little obstinate. Maybe a little too semantic for me. I'm not sure I have a problem with him saying it though. Each to their own and all that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #97 February 5, 2005 personally, I think this thread has run it's course Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #98 February 5, 2005 Oh hell yes, the poor guy's career is probably finished by now. As a general in the public spotlight he probably shouldn't have said it. I'm not a vet, but a friend of mine at a job once about fourteen years ago, who is a Vietnam vet told me how exciting a firefight can be. He said it's scary too, but it's a hell of an adrenaline rush. I think we can relate to that as skydivers. He was nineteen years old when he served over there. I suppose if you have to get into a kill or be killed firefight with some people who are just as scared as you that it can only help your chances of surviving, winning, and carrying out your mission if you can generate a little enthusiasm over a situation you can't change anyway. The general was just telling us something that every combat vet knows. He probably should've kept his mouth shut in front of the press though, the average couch potato back home doesn't want to trouble him or herself to have to think about stuff like this. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #99 February 5, 2005 Quote***you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." I agree with him. It's pretty unlikely that every Afghani or foreign fighter in Afghanistan was a woman beater don't you think? This is a typical example of where the enemy gets demonized just to make it easier on the concience of those that are there killing them. Both sided of this silly war on terror are equally guilty of this shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #100 February 5, 2005 QuoteI suppose if you have to get into a kill or be killed firefight with some people who are just as scared as you that it can only help your chances of surviving, winning, and carrying out your mission if you can generate a little enthusiasm over a situation you can't change anyway Someone gets it. These kinds of debates allways show the did's and the did not's. If you served, you understand the guy. If you stayed at home and watched it on TV you don't. There are a few exceptions.....You seem to be one. Others can't resist a chance at slamming the US...Agin. Oh well, I am glad we have guys like this General with guns in the service."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
