Mr. Dean, you have my full support

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The libertarians SOUND good, but if you look beyond the rhetoric, you quickly see that the goals are unacheivable with the policies they advocate.

I would say the same thing about the left, but that's what keeps this whole thing interesting.

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So, now that you guys on the right have it (House, Senate, POTUS and, soon, SCOTUS), what are you going to do with it?

Why do you keep saying "you guys" on the right? I keep telling you, I want libertarian policies to run the domestic agenda.

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The left has no voice anymore. The only option is to form a new and better party to represent the interests of the left.

Tink, you realize that if your new party moves left of the democrats, they lose the entire center, and if they move center of democrats, then your "left" still has no voice. What's the solution for you?

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...you realize that if your new party moves left of the democrats, they lose the entire center, and if they move center of democrats, then your "left" still has no voice. What's the solution for you?

NEW PARTY, inclusive, aggressive, unashamed of their values and unafraid to take the fight to the doorstep of the right.

Currently, the DNC does not represent the center OR the left. They represent the center right. The left has been COMPLETLEY ABANDONED. If there was ANY representation of the left out of the current DNC, Rice would not be Secretary of State, Gonzales would not be Attorney General and Bush would not be POTUS, we would not have gone into Iraq and (I don't know this for sure, but I guess) there wouldn't be such hysteria coming from the FCC about what is on the TV.

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Sounds like the tails of the political distribution and it is 'left' relative to today's center (which has drifted left over the last few decades). Left tail - like the greens. Balanced by the right tail - Pat Buchanan and religious nuts et al. You only think it's center right because of the perspective from where you're sitting. (not in a chair, I'm speaking in figurative terms).

I'm doubting it would have enough followers to have any effect. Like the libertarians.

But there's nothing wrong with taking a stand on your principles, provided you recognize that you get nothing in return for the effort but PR.

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...you realize that if your new party moves left of the democrats, they lose the entire center, and if they move center of democrats, then your "left" still has no voice. What's the solution for you?

NEW PARTY, inclusive, aggressive, unashamed of their values and unafraid to take the fight to the doorstep of the right.

Currently, the DNC does not represent the center OR the left. They represent the center right. The left has been COMPLETLEY ABANDONED. If there was ANY representation of the left out of the current DNC, Rice would not be Secretary of State, Gonzales would not be Attorney General and Bush would not be POTUS, we would not have gone into Iraq and (I don't know this for sure, but I guess) there wouldn't be such hysteria coming from the FCC about what is on the TV.

Wouldn't work in America, you can't have a nuanced position. Heck Americans can't even recognize nuanced (hint: it's not being two faced).

Every debate is boiled down to bipolar opposites only the most extreme idiot supports. The false choices of pro or anti abortion, pro or anti gay marriage, pro or anti military, pro or anti tax, pro or anti social security, pro or anti constitution, pro or anti liberty. It's a national affliction. Who the hell frames these issues? I dunno but everyone falls for them hook line and sinker and not a single politician running for the top job has the guts to articulate a genuine middle position. The closest you get is some waffler who's scared to take any position or some two faced cynical SOB who'll take both extremes at different times depending on the audience & polls.

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For all the "debate" on abortion have you ever heard a presidential candidate discuss time periods or circumstances in detail, no it's "right to life" or "right to choose" or on gay marriage ever hear them mention civil unions? No it's all about who's a homophobe and who's "progressive". It's not a debate it's a pantomime; "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't", "yes it is", "no it isn't"........