mikkey 0 #1 February 1, 2005 UN bashing is so popular here - its like watching Fox News People have been so busy talking about corruption in the "Oil for Food program" and used it to bash the UN. Here is a story about how the US occupation authority mismanaged $9bn. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4224661.stm QuoteAn official US report has criticised the US occupation authority in Iraq for mismanagement of funds worth nearly $9bn (£4.7bn). The report says provisional authority which governed Iraq until mid-2004 failed to properly oversee its budget. However, the report acknowledges that it was working in difficult conditions. Well the oil for food also worked in difficult conditions. Now are the UN bashers going to bash the US government for this? I wont - Just shows how easy big programs with lots of money get corrupted.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #2 February 1, 2005 Just shows how easy big programs with lots of money get corrupted.*** Yep, the big programs have lots of small people who can squander money easily (I have never had any doubt that some ends up in some pockets too) RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #3 February 1, 2005 Chicago just convicted a guy who defrauded the city of $100million. Fraud and graft are alive and well in the USA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 February 1, 2005 QuoteUN bashing is so popular here - its like watching Fox News QuotePeople have been so busy talking about corruption in the "Oil for Food program" and used it to bash the UN. Here is a story about how the US occupation authority mismanaged $9bn. One difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. QuoteAn official US report has criticised the US occupation authority in Iraq for mismanagement of funds worth nearly $9bn (£4.7bn). The report says provisional authority which governed Iraq until mid-2004 failed to properly oversee its budget. However, the report acknowledges that it was working in difficult conditions. QuoteWell the oil for food also worked in difficult conditions. Now are the UN bashers going to bash the US government for this? I wont - Just shows how easy big programs with lots of money get corrupted. This is really stretching for a comparison. What difficult conditions did the UN program work under? How do you arrive at such a ridiculous comparison? Please provide the facts that support your claim that the UN was working under the same duress. Perhaps you should watch Fox News more than you apparently do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #5 February 1, 2005 Quote Fraud and graft are alive and well in the USA. Just as they are everywhere else in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #6 February 1, 2005 Quotethe US occupation authority mismanaged $9bn. Not necessarily "mismanaged", just not accounted for properly. Sure, we could have sent in legions of accountants with paper and pencil, to try and keep track of all the money disbursements during a war in a country with no infrastructure. But restoring peace, feeding the hungry, making clean water, and generating electricity quickly, all seemed more important. Silly Americans! Quote: The official who led the CPA, L. Paul Bremer III, submitted a blistering, written reply to the findings, saying the report had "many misconceptions and inaccuracies," and lacked professional judgment. Bremer complained the report "assumes that Western-style budgeting and accounting procedures could be immediately and fully implemented in the midst of a war."Source: Fox News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gawain 0 #7 February 2, 2005 Now now...you know such rationale won't fly in the face of the defeatists...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #8 February 2, 2005 You guys are so funny.... Anything the UN does or not does - BAD. Anything happening under the Bush administration - GOOD. No matter what the subject, no matter what the facts. What do you guys expect Bremer to say - yes I fucked $9B up = $30 M a day for the period in question? $9 Bn are not accounted for. The Oil for Food program also lost a lot of money and is still being investigated. The program had also very difficult conditions to work under. Trying to regulate oil exports and get food and medicin into the country in return. This during a total economic blockade and with a corrupt brutal regime in place in Iraq. So you think Oil for Food shows how "bad" the UN is but when the US "looses" lots of money in Iraq - its not a problem.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vmsfreaky1 0 #9 February 2, 2005 QuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #10 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. Well, the US is bringing in food and medicine now, has SH in custody, and you're probably bitching about the US doing that now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #11 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. So you think it's Clintons fault? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vmsfreaky1 0 #12 February 2, 2005 Quote Well, the US is bringing in food and medicine now, has SH in custody, and you're probably bitching about the US doing that now. I'm glad you found SH worthy of keeping in custody, maybe you could throw your own president in there with him. The little thing your forgetting (that I'm bitching about) is the illegal invasion and subsequent murder of countless civilians ( we dont know how many they killed coz you dont count dead iraqis). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #13 February 2, 2005 Quote The little thing your forgetting (that I'm bitching about) is the illegal invasion and subsequent murder of countless civilians ( we dont know how many they killed coz you dont count dead iraqis). You mean Iraq invading Kuwait back in the early 90's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #14 February 2, 2005 QuoteYou mean Iraq invading Kuwait back in the early 90's? LOL. That's what he must've meant -- he described it perfectly. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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justinb138 0 #5 February 1, 2005 Quote Fraud and graft are alive and well in the USA. Just as they are everywhere else in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #6 February 1, 2005 Quotethe US occupation authority mismanaged $9bn. Not necessarily "mismanaged", just not accounted for properly. Sure, we could have sent in legions of accountants with paper and pencil, to try and keep track of all the money disbursements during a war in a country with no infrastructure. But restoring peace, feeding the hungry, making clean water, and generating electricity quickly, all seemed more important. Silly Americans! Quote: The official who led the CPA, L. Paul Bremer III, submitted a blistering, written reply to the findings, saying the report had "many misconceptions and inaccuracies," and lacked professional judgment. Bremer complained the report "assumes that Western-style budgeting and accounting procedures could be immediately and fully implemented in the midst of a war."Source: Fox News Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #7 February 2, 2005 Now now...you know such rationale won't fly in the face of the defeatists...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #8 February 2, 2005 You guys are so funny.... Anything the UN does or not does - BAD. Anything happening under the Bush administration - GOOD. No matter what the subject, no matter what the facts. What do you guys expect Bremer to say - yes I fucked $9B up = $30 M a day for the period in question? $9 Bn are not accounted for. The Oil for Food program also lost a lot of money and is still being investigated. The program had also very difficult conditions to work under. Trying to regulate oil exports and get food and medicin into the country in return. This during a total economic blockade and with a corrupt brutal regime in place in Iraq. So you think Oil for Food shows how "bad" the UN is but when the US "looses" lots of money in Iraq - its not a problem.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #9 February 2, 2005 QuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #10 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. Well, the US is bringing in food and medicine now, has SH in custody, and you're probably bitching about the US doing that now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteOne difference, if true, is the money wasn't used to illegally support a murderous dictator while denying the Iraqi people of needed food and medicine. If anyone is guilty of denying food and medicine to Iraqis it was the US and its allies, with that ridiculous embargo that only managed to kill hundreds of thousands of people while never harming SH. So you think it's Clintons fault? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #12 February 2, 2005 Quote Well, the US is bringing in food and medicine now, has SH in custody, and you're probably bitching about the US doing that now. I'm glad you found SH worthy of keeping in custody, maybe you could throw your own president in there with him. The little thing your forgetting (that I'm bitching about) is the illegal invasion and subsequent murder of countless civilians ( we dont know how many they killed coz you dont count dead iraqis). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #13 February 2, 2005 Quote The little thing your forgetting (that I'm bitching about) is the illegal invasion and subsequent murder of countless civilians ( we dont know how many they killed coz you dont count dead iraqis). You mean Iraq invading Kuwait back in the early 90's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #14 February 2, 2005 QuoteYou mean Iraq invading Kuwait back in the early 90's? LOL. That's what he must've meant -- he described it perfectly. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
