white_falcon 0 #76 February 2, 2005 A G A I N I say, the U S military is NOT a mercenary force and members thereof SHOULD NOT be paid for SPECIFIC acts. It would be bad for many reasons, not the least of which are troop moral. RHINO wake up and smell the coffee, the U S military does not now, nor has it ever, to my knowledge, oiperated on the basis of monetary reward. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #77 February 2, 2005 Did you serve? In any branch? I'm assuming you have if you are telling me to wake up and smell the coffee.. It's easy for a bunch of hard corps single servicemembers to be shouting DO IT FOR HONOR! NO THEY SHOULDN'T GET THE MONEY!!! I happen to come from a crowd of MARRIED servicemembers with children.. Sometimes with house payments as well because base housing was full.. I happen to know some soldiers that are getting shot at in Iraq all the while their wifes are fighting to stay out of bankruptcy.. Many are on food stamps and making money at or near the poverty level.. Don't fucking tell me to smell the damned coffee!!! Wake the fuck up yourself and realize that your reality isn't the next person's reality.. Families are hurting in a BIG way financially while loved ones are fighting the war.. Don't fucking tell me money isn't an issue and it would lower morale.. That's the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in my God Damned life!!!! Show me one fucking Marine that would turn down 25 million dollars if offered to him for capturing Osama and I will show you a liar!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get fucking real!! Servicemen and woman ARE NOT well paid.. NOT A GOD DAMNED THING IS WRONG WITH PAYING OUT THIS REWARD TO SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY THAT DOES THE DEED!!!!!!!!!!! What if they are off duty and make the capture? Is that a different story? Let the arm chair quarterbacks begin!!! Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #78 February 3, 2005 Rhino, You need to calm down. Your post has several personal attacks in it. I know that you (of all people) have been warned (repeatedly) in the past. Why don't you take 2 weeks off from Speaker's Corner and try to come back a little more relaxed?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #79 February 3, 2005 Quote...wake up and smell the coffee... white_falcon, Please try to keep your discussions civil, and oriented toward the points of the debate/discussion, rather than the people. Consider this your warning.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #80 February 3, 2005 Quote Did you serve? I find it amusing that the first question you ask ANYONE who disagrees with you is "Did you serve?" as though anyone who does or had should automatically share your viewpoint. Has there been a single response in this thread supporting your viewpoint that the soldiers should collect the reward? I don't think so. Rhino - for what it's worth, I never did serve though now I wish I that I had. I just didn't understand the obligation that one owes to his country, especially in times of crisis, back when I would have been eligible. I do however have an awful lot of respect and admiration for those who have, those who do, and those who will. Even you. Thanks guys. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #81 February 3, 2005 QuoteDid you serve? Yes. QuoteIn any branch? Army 82nd Airborne Infantry. QuoteI happen to come from a crowd of MARRIED servicemembers with children.. I was married. Quotewith house payments as well because base housing was full Then they get BAQ. QuoteDon't fucking tell me money isn't an issue and it would lower morale.. That's the dumbest fucking thing I have heard in my God Damned life!!!! It would hurt morale, and even do more damage to the US's image around the world. QuoteNOT A GOD DAMNED THING IS WRONG WITH PAYING OUT THIS REWARD TO SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY THAT DOES THE DEED!!!!!!!!!!! There are several things wrong with it....They have been covered. You choose not to accept them. But have you noticed that no one seems to be agreeing with you? QuoteLet the arm chair quarterbacks begin!!! And my opinion is less than yours for what reason? Where you Infantry as a primary MOS?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #82 February 3, 2005 QuoteWhat if they are off duty and make the capture? Is that a different story? Yes They're not "on duty"... thus they have no existing duty to capture OBL... If they're on duty they are already getting paid to find his ass - thus a payout, while nice, would be double recovery... getting paid twice for the same job. Sure it would be nice to get paid twice for something... but I can't think of many instances where your employer is duty bound to pay you twice for the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
white_falcon 0 #83 February 3, 2005 Yes Rhino, I did serve. I served in The Invasion of Panama w/ the 82nd, and in the First Gulf War w/ the 3 ID. I served in an combat infantry position in BOTH instances as an 11 C. I came home from the Desert w/ holes in my ruck from Iraqi Artillery and with images of PIECES of a buddy being picked up off the ground cause thats ALL THAT WAS LEFT. I was looking at the lights of Baghdad the morning we were told to cease fire and I, as well as every grunt on the line, was PISSED. Yes, Rhino, I have served. Now, if the money was offered, would I turn it down? Anyone would be outta there mind for turning it down but, does that mean "we" are ENTITLED to it? No it does not. I agree that one will never get rich in the military but, to echo earlier comments, if you are doing it for the $$ you are in it for the wrong reasons. As for the family members that are having financial problems, that is unfortunate, but what about all the faimily members that ARE coping with the financial situation? Its called sacrifice and the families (read spouse) of the service member should have realized that when they "signed up". I apoligize if you feel my previous post was a personal attack, it was not intended that way and, I respect how you feel about the situation but, I feel just as strongly that your proposal would undermine the moral of the entire military and turn the greatest fighting force in the world into a bunch of two bit bounty hunters. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
white_falcon 0 #84 February 3, 2005 Warning duly noted and apology offered. Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
