skydyvr 0 #101 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteindicates the desires of their hearts: failure of America's efforts here at any cost. There are probably a few who feel that way. The vast majority (some of whom I know) don't feel that way at all. Thanks for the thoughtful post, as is your usual. The reaction here in SC was basically like it was in the media -- most of the left just kept their mouths shut except a few who insisted on finding ways to bash the situation. Oh well. QuoteBut no-one wishes ill to the Iraqis. Well, except for the glass parking lot crowd, but I have a feeling that's just words. (edit to add -- the glass parking lot crowd tend to be a little less liberal than some) Not many here directly wish ill on the Iraqi normal folks, but I still think it's a tough call for some liberals between Iraqi success and Bush's failure. Hence the silence in the media. QuoteWe've fucked our budget and deficit for a long long time. Yep, we've left fiscal sanity behind for sure. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #102 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt's a gut-wrenching dillema for the naysayers. On one hand, in their hearts, the possible democratization and freedom of millions of Iraqis might be a good thing. Maybe. Sort of. On the other hand, to accomplish this will require ttat Bush be given credit for having done something right. Can you explain this a bit better? I have no problem appreciating and cheering the election turnout without giving Bush credit for having done the right thing. Simple. Although Bush didn't directly compel every Iraqi to get out there and vote, his doctrine made it possible. Without the invasion and subsequent actions (faults and all), the elections wouldn't have happened. Bush gets the credit. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #103 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's a gut-wrenching dillema for the naysayers. On one hand, in their hearts, the possible democratization and freedom of millions of Iraqis might be a good thing. Maybe. Sort of. On the other hand, to accomplish this will require ttat Bush be given credit for having done something right. Can you explain this a bit better? I have no problem appreciating and cheering the election turnout without giving Bush credit for having done the right thing. Simple. Although Bush didn't directly compel every Iraqi to get out there and vote, his doctrine made it possible. Without the invasion and subsequent actions (faults and all), the elections wouldn't have happened. Bush gets the credit. If a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #104 February 1, 2005 QuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Cute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #105 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Cute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it and simply state that one should always try to avoid actions for which the only explanation is that the ends justify the means. I understand that in the political realm, this might not always be possible, but one should still be capable of avoiding those undertakings in which the ends do not justify the means. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #106 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #107 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. And don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #108 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. If not SH, who are you suggesting did "own the store"? Nevermind. My point remains that good side effects of bad actions do not justify the actions. I can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. That pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #109 February 1, 2005 QuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #110 February 1, 2005 QuoteWe've fucked our budget and deficit that budget was "fucked" as you say long before Bush got in. The was Clinton neglected the military and our Intel overseas. The economy was heading for a nose dive. I guess you have forgotten all that, You also forget that the UN, and most other nations felt Iraq had WMD. We must defend ourselves and take a proactive stance against terror. Interesting to note that after Arafat's long awaited demise we begin to see real progress in the middle east peace. Perhaps with both of the events we can see real progress in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #111 February 1, 2005 Quote You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise? In Vietnam we opposed the election and didn't allow the will of the people to carry. Surprisingly, this hampered our ability to help a country who mostly didn't want it. Contrast that with Iraq where they wanted us to help make the election happened, where we're onboard with it happening and the results. Sure, there are factions in Iraq who don't want elections or the US presence. But unlike Vietnam, they're a minority. Could be a bloody fighting minority, but that would have been true without the election too. As many here can imagine, the people in the Bay Area are besides themselves with this feather in Bush's cap. More than a few were expecting to see thousands of Iraqis die so they could lambast the President some more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #112 February 1, 2005 QuoteI can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. Bush (et al.) said "Let there be elections", and there were elections. Instead, Bush could've said "We are naming Quasimodo as president of Iraq", and there would've been no elections. This is the cause and effect. QuoteThat pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. I'll concede that you are entitled to think whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I understand how it makes any sense. I am not in love with George Bush myself, but am somehow able to credit him (again, et al.) when credit is due. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #113 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics A very poor ethical system, principally because it remains undefined and thus subject to change at the whim of the user. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #114 February 1, 2005 QuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #115 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Can you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #116 February 1, 2005 QuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #117 February 1, 2005 Quotewhy don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Yep.. Because we all know Google is right 100% of the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #118 February 1, 2005 QuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. And contrary to what someone said earlier, I am not seeing a "180 degree difference" between what is reported on FOX vs what is reported on other news networks. In this case the story has been pretty much the same: The vote was a greater success (ie, less violence & more voter turnout) than expected. where is this 180 degree difference people keep talking about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #119 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. I see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #120 February 1, 2005 Quote see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Not at all, just indicating that when you point your fingers, you have to include yourself in this case. The US is partly to blame for the oil for food scandal, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #121 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. To clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #122 February 14, 2005 So... I just read in the paper today that the total % of eligible Iraqi voters who voted in the election last month was only 57% clicky That's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. That's also less than the 60% goal the Bush administration said would make a "successful election" So, are the elections in Iraq still a resounding success like everyone was crowing about 2 weeks ago?I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #123 February 14, 2005 QuoteThat's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. 72-57 = 15 nothing there other than math 57 vs 60 is a scary close estimate - maybe someone will see a conspiracy there pie is good, especially with ice cream on top ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #124 February 15, 2005 QuoteTo clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. yep sure is the case. I sure do not see US puppets as one short lived SC posted claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #125 February 15, 2005 Oops... forgot to borrow from 7... shessh.... Yeah, I guess you're right.... 15%, 25% what's in a number? As long as the American people buy the BS, it's all good.... That's ok, I think it's hilarious that BodyPilot90's avatar is saying that John Kerry got it right ;)I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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juanesky 0 #107 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. And don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #108 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. If not SH, who are you suggesting did "own the store"? Nevermind. My point remains that good side effects of bad actions do not justify the actions. I can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. That pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #109 February 1, 2005 QuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #110 February 1, 2005 QuoteWe've fucked our budget and deficit that budget was "fucked" as you say long before Bush got in. The was Clinton neglected the military and our Intel overseas. The economy was heading for a nose dive. I guess you have forgotten all that, You also forget that the UN, and most other nations felt Iraq had WMD. We must defend ourselves and take a proactive stance against terror. Interesting to note that after Arafat's long awaited demise we begin to see real progress in the middle east peace. Perhaps with both of the events we can see real progress in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #111 February 1, 2005 Quote You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise? In Vietnam we opposed the election and didn't allow the will of the people to carry. Surprisingly, this hampered our ability to help a country who mostly didn't want it. Contrast that with Iraq where they wanted us to help make the election happened, where we're onboard with it happening and the results. Sure, there are factions in Iraq who don't want elections or the US presence. But unlike Vietnam, they're a minority. Could be a bloody fighting minority, but that would have been true without the election too. As many here can imagine, the people in the Bay Area are besides themselves with this feather in Bush's cap. More than a few were expecting to see thousands of Iraqis die so they could lambast the President some more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #112 February 1, 2005 QuoteI can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. Bush (et al.) said "Let there be elections", and there were elections. Instead, Bush could've said "We are naming Quasimodo as president of Iraq", and there would've been no elections. This is the cause and effect. QuoteThat pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. I'll concede that you are entitled to think whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I understand how it makes any sense. I am not in love with George Bush myself, but am somehow able to credit him (again, et al.) when credit is due. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #113 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics A very poor ethical system, principally because it remains undefined and thus subject to change at the whim of the user. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #114 February 1, 2005 QuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #115 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Can you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #116 February 1, 2005 QuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #117 February 1, 2005 Quotewhy don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Yep.. Because we all know Google is right 100% of the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #118 February 1, 2005 QuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. And contrary to what someone said earlier, I am not seeing a "180 degree difference" between what is reported on FOX vs what is reported on other news networks. In this case the story has been pretty much the same: The vote was a greater success (ie, less violence & more voter turnout) than expected. where is this 180 degree difference people keep talking about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #119 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. I see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #120 February 1, 2005 Quote see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Not at all, just indicating that when you point your fingers, you have to include yourself in this case. The US is partly to blame for the oil for food scandal, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #121 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. To clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #122 February 14, 2005 So... I just read in the paper today that the total % of eligible Iraqi voters who voted in the election last month was only 57% clicky That's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. That's also less than the 60% goal the Bush administration said would make a "successful election" So, are the elections in Iraq still a resounding success like everyone was crowing about 2 weeks ago?I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #123 February 14, 2005 QuoteThat's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. 72-57 = 15 nothing there other than math 57 vs 60 is a scary close estimate - maybe someone will see a conspiracy there pie is good, especially with ice cream on top ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #124 February 15, 2005 QuoteTo clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. yep sure is the case. I sure do not see US puppets as one short lived SC posted claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #125 February 15, 2005 Oops... forgot to borrow from 7... shessh.... Yeah, I guess you're right.... 15%, 25% what's in a number? As long as the American people buy the BS, it's all good.... That's ok, I think it's hilarious that BodyPilot90's avatar is saying that John Kerry got it right ;)I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
livendive 8 #108 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteCute, but that's a bad analogy in every way possible. I'm tempted to ask you what's wrong with the analogy, but instead I'll just abandon it . . . I'd abandon it too, if I'd thought of it. Basically we would've started with the intense faultiness of your use of "store owner" to describe SH, and taken it apart from there. If not SH, who are you suggesting did "own the store"? Nevermind. My point remains that good side effects of bad actions do not justify the actions. I can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. That pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #109 February 1, 2005 QuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #110 February 1, 2005 QuoteWe've fucked our budget and deficit that budget was "fucked" as you say long before Bush got in. The was Clinton neglected the military and our Intel overseas. The economy was heading for a nose dive. I guess you have forgotten all that, You also forget that the UN, and most other nations felt Iraq had WMD. We must defend ourselves and take a proactive stance against terror. Interesting to note that after Arafat's long awaited demise we begin to see real progress in the middle east peace. Perhaps with both of the events we can see real progress in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #111 February 1, 2005 Quote You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise? In Vietnam we opposed the election and didn't allow the will of the people to carry. Surprisingly, this hampered our ability to help a country who mostly didn't want it. Contrast that with Iraq where they wanted us to help make the election happened, where we're onboard with it happening and the results. Sure, there are factions in Iraq who don't want elections or the US presence. But unlike Vietnam, they're a minority. Could be a bloody fighting minority, but that would have been true without the election too. As many here can imagine, the people in the Bay Area are besides themselves with this feather in Bush's cap. More than a few were expecting to see thousands of Iraqis die so they could lambast the President some more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #112 February 1, 2005 QuoteI can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. Bush (et al.) said "Let there be elections", and there were elections. Instead, Bush could've said "We are naming Quasimodo as president of Iraq", and there would've been no elections. This is the cause and effect. QuoteThat pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. I'll concede that you are entitled to think whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I understand how it makes any sense. I am not in love with George Bush myself, but am somehow able to credit him (again, et al.) when credit is due. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #113 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics A very poor ethical system, principally because it remains undefined and thus subject to change at the whim of the user. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #114 February 1, 2005 QuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #115 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Can you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #116 February 1, 2005 QuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #117 February 1, 2005 Quotewhy don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Yep.. Because we all know Google is right 100% of the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #118 February 1, 2005 QuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. And contrary to what someone said earlier, I am not seeing a "180 degree difference" between what is reported on FOX vs what is reported on other news networks. In this case the story has been pretty much the same: The vote was a greater success (ie, less violence & more voter turnout) than expected. where is this 180 degree difference people keep talking about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #119 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. I see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #120 February 1, 2005 Quote see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Not at all, just indicating that when you point your fingers, you have to include yourself in this case. The US is partly to blame for the oil for food scandal, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #121 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. To clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #122 February 14, 2005 So... I just read in the paper today that the total % of eligible Iraqi voters who voted in the election last month was only 57% clicky That's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. That's also less than the 60% goal the Bush administration said would make a "successful election" So, are the elections in Iraq still a resounding success like everyone was crowing about 2 weeks ago?I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #123 February 14, 2005 QuoteThat's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. 72-57 = 15 nothing there other than math 57 vs 60 is a scary close estimate - maybe someone will see a conspiracy there pie is good, especially with ice cream on top ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #124 February 15, 2005 QuoteTo clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. yep sure is the case. I sure do not see US puppets as one short lived SC posted claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lummy 4 #125 February 15, 2005 Oops... forgot to borrow from 7... shessh.... Yeah, I guess you're right.... 15%, 25% what's in a number? As long as the American people buy the BS, it's all good.... That's ok, I think it's hilarious that BodyPilot90's avatar is saying that John Kerry got it right ;)I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 5 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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bodypilot90 0 #109 February 1, 2005 QuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #110 February 1, 2005 QuoteWe've fucked our budget and deficit that budget was "fucked" as you say long before Bush got in. The was Clinton neglected the military and our Intel overseas. The economy was heading for a nose dive. I guess you have forgotten all that, You also forget that the UN, and most other nations felt Iraq had WMD. We must defend ourselves and take a proactive stance against terror. Interesting to note that after Arafat's long awaited demise we begin to see real progress in the middle east peace. Perhaps with both of the events we can see real progress in the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #111 February 1, 2005 Quote You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise? In Vietnam we opposed the election and didn't allow the will of the people to carry. Surprisingly, this hampered our ability to help a country who mostly didn't want it. Contrast that with Iraq where they wanted us to help make the election happened, where we're onboard with it happening and the results. Sure, there are factions in Iraq who don't want elections or the US presence. But unlike Vietnam, they're a minority. Could be a bloody fighting minority, but that would have been true without the election too. As many here can imagine, the people in the Bay Area are besides themselves with this feather in Bush's cap. More than a few were expecting to see thousands of Iraqis die so they could lambast the President some more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #112 February 1, 2005 QuoteI can be happy about the effect with praising the cause. Bush (et al.) said "Let there be elections", and there were elections. Instead, Bush could've said "We are naming Quasimodo as president of Iraq", and there would've been no elections. This is the cause and effect. QuoteThat pretty much undermines your theory that folks can't appreciate/cheer for the elections without praising Bush. I'll allow you to concede now. I'll concede that you are entitled to think whatever you want, but that doesn't mean I understand how it makes any sense. I am not in love with George Bush myself, but am somehow able to credit him (again, et al.) when credit is due. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #113 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf a guy robs a store and gets money to feed his family, the kids eating is a good thing but that doesn't justify the actions that brought it about. Funny I remember sitting in a very liberal hs social studies class where the teacher did justify it. I think they called it situational ethics A very poor ethical system, principally because it remains undefined and thus subject to change at the whim of the user. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #114 February 1, 2005 QuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #115 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteAnd don't forget the partners at oil for bucks program.. don't forget to mention it was partly created and overseen by the US. Can you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #116 February 1, 2005 QuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #117 February 1, 2005 Quotewhy don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. Yep.. Because we all know Google is right 100% of the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #118 February 1, 2005 QuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. And contrary to what someone said earlier, I am not seeing a "180 degree difference" between what is reported on FOX vs what is reported on other news networks. In this case the story has been pretty much the same: The vote was a greater success (ie, less violence & more voter turnout) than expected. where is this 180 degree difference people keep talking about? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #119 February 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteCan you provide me with a source to back this claim up? Program was designed, implemented and overseen by the UN Security Council......why don't you google and find out who are members of the Security Council. I see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #120 February 1, 2005 Quote see, when the UN has a scandal like the Ol for Bribes, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leadership at fault, it's the US fault. When the UN allows Genocide in the Sudan, it's not Koffi Annan and the UN leaderships fault, the US fault. Noice.... Not at all, just indicating that when you point your fingers, you have to include yourself in this case. The US is partly to blame for the oil for food scandal, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #121 February 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteHence the silence in the media. WTF??? It's been front-page news in all the papers I've seen, and on TV news networks. To clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #122 February 14, 2005 So... I just read in the paper today that the total % of eligible Iraqi voters who voted in the election last month was only 57% clicky That's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. That's also less than the 60% goal the Bush administration said would make a "successful election" So, are the elections in Iraq still a resounding success like everyone was crowing about 2 weeks ago?I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #123 February 14, 2005 QuoteThat's about 25% less than the Bush administration was touting the day after. 72-57 = 15 nothing there other than math 57 vs 60 is a scary close estimate - maybe someone will see a conspiracy there pie is good, especially with ice cream on top ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #124 February 15, 2005 QuoteTo clarify, I was referring to most of the media pundits on the left. Rather than come out and admit the elections were cool, they stayed largely silent on the issue. Likewise, most of the the lefties here on SC avoided any positive conversation about the elections, but didn't drop a decibel in their usual petty US bashing. yep sure is the case. I sure do not see US puppets as one short lived SC posted claimed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #125 February 15, 2005 Oops... forgot to borrow from 7... shessh.... Yeah, I guess you're right.... 15%, 25% what's in a number? As long as the American people buy the BS, it's all good.... That's ok, I think it's hilarious that BodyPilot90's avatar is saying that John Kerry got it right ;)I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
