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Which bugs the shit out of me. Especially when some of the non-voters go walking around claiming how great democracy is. Most of them couldn't tell democracy from a dairy cow!
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hey that cow looked a lot like kerry cut me some slack alright!!
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Jimbo 0
Quotethats around 30% of the population of Iraq that turned out - It's a start I s'pose..
The total population of Iraq is irrelevant, after all, we can't have babies voting, right?
What is relevant is the number of elegible voters, the % of elegible voters who registered, and the number of registered voters who actually voted.
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Lets work the math backwards...
8 million voted. Thats 60% of the registed. About 13.3 million registed at that %.
In the 2002 congressional election here in the US there were 128 million registed voters with 88.9 million of them voting. Thats a 69.4% voting rate for registered voters and about a 46% over all voting rate. Numbers taken from http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-552.pdf
8 million voted. Thats 60% of the registed. About 13.3 million registed at that %.
In the 2002 congressional election here in the US there were 128 million registed voters with 88.9 million of them voting. Thats a 69.4% voting rate for registered voters and about a 46% over all voting rate. Numbers taken from http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/p20-552.pdf
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I disagree, they may be putting this forward as some holy BS where the choice of government or religion is against Islam or using the excuse that it is not a fair arrangement for the sunnis vs shite balance of power.
But I think theier real aggenda is
1.Give the US some grief because they feel it's the root of all thier own problems. (partly true but mostly BS)
2.They wish to have power for themselves and think nothing of trying to gain it under the gise of religion and at the expense of anyone who gets in their way.
For the most part they are a bunch of criminals with little respect for life or thier own religion.
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But I think theier real aggenda is
1.Give the US some grief because they feel it's the root of all thier own problems. (partly true but mostly BS)
2.They wish to have power for themselves and think nothing of trying to gain it under the gise of religion and at the expense of anyone who gets in their way.
For the most part they are a bunch of criminals with little respect for life or thier own religion.
i must've worded that wrongl sorry, i was trying to say that recently their agenda has been trying to stop people from voting, i agree this may not be the overall goal but it was a part of the big picture for them, and they didn't accomplish it
History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
I do not see your point, that is how it's always reported in the US. The % I posted was very early so it is subject to change. But all in all it was a great step for iraq and the middle east. Add that with Arafats trip to hell and there is hope for peace in the middle east. Great things require great risk
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Then the 1400+ dead US military members are just an offerring? I think for as ill-equipted as I assume they are, they have done well to hold off the US elite forces - not to mention the other allieds.
Once the US is out, if ever, things will revert - post 1 instance the US has been involved in a matter like this where it didn't turn out that way when the US left.
hmm an inaccurate statement i feel as if i have seen these somewhere before, but from who??
those 1400 dead, a number of those soldiers were killed during the invasion, meaning killed by a trained military. and if you look at the numbers of how many each side usually loses in a fight, we are winning this war. if they can send 10 mortars into a compound without causing a single casualty and they lose ten in the process i wouldn't call that giving us the fight of our lives
1400 is a total of US losses. Some died intraining, some in battle, so during the overthrow, etc.... Don't forget the allied folks that died in combat after the overthrow. Anyway, 1400 dead heros are 1400 dead heros no matter how you clasify them. I was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave.
As for body count trade, we will generally win those. Hell, VN was 7:1 kill ratio, which still means 58k dead US kids
Jimbo 0
QuoteI was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave.
This is based on your firsthand knowledge of the situation?
As far as the "I was merely saying . . .", you'd do well to say exactly what you mean the first time. This is Speaker's Corner, after all.
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skydyvr 0
QuoteI was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave.
The resistance had a piss-poor election day. This is a sign of weakening.
I'm glad our administration isn't quite as stupid as Ted Kennedy -- they aren't thinking about pulling the troops out just yet, so relax -- the Iraqi security forces won't be on their own until they can handle the insurgency.
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rhino 0
Congratulations to the Iraqi people. Well done to our soldiers and the Iraqi soldiers.
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QuoteI was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave.
This is based on your firsthand knowledge of the situation?
As far as the "I was merely saying . . .", you'd do well to say exactly what you mean the first time. This is Speaker's Corner, after all.
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Jim
This is based on your firsthand knowledge of the situation?
So I have to be there in order to comment or have an idea of what is going on there? Mkay. This thread would then have <4 posters in it then.
As far as the "I was merely saying . . .", you'd do well to say exactly what you mean the first time.
Merely saying doesn't mean essentially or other general concepts; it means, "nothing more." It isn't a general open-ended word, it means to cut to the chase.
EBSB52 0
QuoteQuoteI was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave.
The resistance had a piss-poor election day. This is a sign of weakening.
I'm glad our administration isn't quite as stupid as Ted Kennedy -- they aren't thinking about pulling the troops out just yet, so relax -- the Iraqi security forces won't be on their own until they can handle the insurgency.
AKA Viet Nam part II. Ya, glad the Commander in Chimp is so bright - just tell that to the poor families of those who died for nothing.
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Are you guys going to address whether and how the Iraqi police willhave a chance against the iraqi resistance? US soldiers are getting killed by the droves, so how is it they will do better with less? There will be a civil war with possibly 3 or 4 sides and total unreast. We have just consigned ourselves to permanent residency.
skydyvr 0
QuoteCongratulations to the Iraqi people. Well done to our soldiers and the Iraqi soldiers.
Absolutely!
The Iraqis are displaying their ink stained index fingers to each other as a proud badge of honor. Good on them!
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QuoteAre you guys going to address whether and how the Iraqi police willhave a chance against the iraqi resistance?
Yes they do, a few people that are in Iraq now has be telling you what's going on. I believe they have a better idea than you. Do you agree or not?
QuoteUS soldiers are getting killed by the droves, so how is it they will do better with less?
How much is a drove?
QuoteThere will be a civil war with possibly 3 or 4 sides and total unreast.
You know this how, from cnn or dan rather? From more than one news source including 1st hand account this seems far from the case.
QuoteWe have just consigned ourselves to permanent residency.
No, but training good troops takes time. The Iraqi are showing vast improvements. Just ask GQ_jumper he's training them Hell of a good guy, you should listen to him. You just might learn something.
skydyvr 0
QuoteAKA Viet Nam part II. Ya, glad the Commander in Chimp is so bright - just tell that to the poor families of those who died for nothing.
You tell the poor families of those that have died that they died for nothing, and you'll likely get slapped in the face.
QuoteAre you guys going to address whether and how the Iraqi police willhave a chance against the iraqi resistance? US soldiers are getting killed by the droves, so how is it they will do better with less?
1. Sad as each death is, US soldiers aren't being killed in "droves".
2. The US, despite having idiots like Tipsy Ted in power, isn't about to exit Iraq until it can police itself properly. Nobody can say for sure how long it will take, but the number of years is limited. Rest assured -- more intelligent folk than Teddy and crew are calling the shots here.
3. Catch the news piece on Bush sending more troops in. Not sure how this relates to "doing better with less".
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QuoteThe Iraqis are displaying their ink stained index fingers to each other as a proud badge of honor. Good on them!
and I am sure Ronald Reagan is looking down from heaven with a smile today, well done to all involved.
Michele 1
I was just sitting here thinking how amazing today was. There was no "blood running in the streets" as Al Zarqari promised/threatened...there was 60% voter turn out, and Iraqi just took the first step towards autonomy, self determination, and democracy.
Someone, please, explain to be how this can be bad? Often I can see both sides of a topic, but I'm lost here. I can't see this as bad in the least...not in the least. So someone please educate me on how it was bad, thus earning the negative commentary and perspective voiced here.
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Someone, please, explain to be how this can be bad? Often I can see both sides of a topic, but I'm lost here. I can't see this as bad in the least...not in the least. So someone please educate me on how it was bad, thus earning the negative commentary and perspective voiced here.
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Whats really coming down now from hard intel is that these insurgents and suicide bombers who don't want the Iraqi people to have a free choice in how they are governed etc are actually people that were trained by Saddam Insane before the invasion,
The thing that this election shows is that these waistoids are losing.
The Iraqi people are intellegent and well educated and after living under a brutal dictator like Saddam they are happy with our help to bring their country into a democracy.
Chris
The thing that this election shows is that these waistoids are losing.
The Iraqi people are intellegent and well educated and after living under a brutal dictator like Saddam they are happy with our help to bring their country into a democracy.
Chris
Are you guys going to address whether and how the Iraqi police willhave a chance against the iraqi resistance? ***
i have stated previously that the iraqi police can hold their own alraedy. most of them do, i can look across the river from my at any given time and watch the police kickin the crap out of insurgents. i watched plenty of firefights last night from afar and in all of them the police were winning.
i have stated previously that the iraqi police can hold their own alraedy. most of them do, i can look across the river from my at any given time and watch the police kickin the crap out of insurgents. i watched plenty of firefights last night from afar and in all of them the police were winning.
History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
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skydyvr 0
QuoteSo someone please educate me on how it was bad, thus earning the negative commentary and perspective voiced here.
Most of the more informed naysayers haven't yet checked in on this topic (perhaps out doing night jumps), but of those few who have checked in, there has been no explanation of why the elections were a bad thing, only that they were bad and will never lead to anything good.
The best explanation I can think of is that there actually are a lot of people out there who won't see this as a success, simply because doing so would make America/Bush look good. I hate to think that, but it seems to be the obvious case with many.
Edited for grammar's sake.
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EBSB52 0
QuoteQuoteSo someone please educate me on how it was bad, thus earning the negative commentary and perspective voiced here.
Most of the more informed naysayers haven't yet checked in on this topic (perhaps out doing night jumps), but of those few who have checked in, there has been no explanation of why the elections were a bad thing, only that they were bad and will never lead to anything good.
The best explanation I can think of is that there actually are a lot of people out there who won't see this as a success, simply because doing so would make America/Bush look good. I hate to think that, but it seems to be the obvious case with many.
Edited for grammar's sake.
The election of a puppet government is futile, especially considering we will have to maintain it for decades or the Muslim insurgents will restiore the disorder. Remember, this is a Gihad against a religion, not a country - at least that is their perception which is what is important to them.
Also, being there, if you truly are, gives you a firsthand perspective of the events, but the politics can easily escape you as you are right in the midst of it - if you are. A NASA worker doesn't become a rocket scientist simply because he/she works on the Space Shuttle.
A surgical assistant doesn't become a surgeon simply because he/she hands tools to the surgeon. I think of the troops over there as heros. The fact that the action is a POS matters not, they could be in WWII and be regarded as heros by all, so just because the timing is bad, be it Viet Nam or Iraq doesn't diminish the sacrifice.
I disagree, they may be putting this forward as some holy BS where the choice of government or religion is against Islam or using the excuse that it is not a fair arrangement for the sunnis vs shite balance of power.
But I think theier real aggenda is
1.Give the US some grief because they feel it's the root of all thier own problems. (partly true but mostly BS)
2.They wish to have power for themselves and think nothing of trying to gain it under the gise of religion and at the expense of anyone who gets in their way.
For the most part they are a bunch of criminals with little respect for life or thier own religion.
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