bodypilot90 0 #1 January 29, 2005 From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims 20% of World's Population (2 out of every 10 people) Literature 1988 - Najib Mahfooz * Peace 1978 - Anwar El-Sadat 1994 - Yasser Arafat... A Joke!!! ** 2003 - Shirin Ebadi Chemistry 1999 - Ahmed Zewail Physics Abdus Salam *Stabbed in the back by Egyptian Moslem fundamentalists in 1997 because he supported the Peace Process between the Palestinians and Israelis. Najib was partially paralyzed as a result. Note: Elias James Corey (Chemistry 1990), Peter Brian Medawar (Medicine 1960) and Ferid Mourad (Medicine 1998) are Nobel Prize winners but are Arab-Christians, not Muslims. .Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist." JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS From a pool of 12 million Jews 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people) Literature 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer 2002 - Imre Kertesz World Peace 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin 1995 - Joseph Rotblat Chemistry 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1972 - William Howard Stein 1972 - C.B. Anfinsen 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Ronald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1989 - Sidney Altman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1998 - Walter Kohn 2000 - Alan J. Heeger 2004 - Irwin Rose 2004 - Avram Hershko 2004 - Aaron Ciechanover Economics 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1973 - Wassily Leontief 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 Rober Fogel 1994 - John Harsanyi 1994 - Reinhard Selten 1997 - Robert Merton 1997 - Myron Scholes 2001 - George Akerlof 2001 - Joseph Stiglitz 2002 - Daniel Kahneman Medicine 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - David Baltimore 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow 1977 - Andrew V. Schally 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1994 - Martin Rodbell 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner 1998 - Robert F. Furchgott 2000 - Eric R. Kandel 2002 - Sydney Brenner 2002 - Robert H. Horvitz Physics 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1945 - Wolfgang Pauli 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich 1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1963 - Eugene P. Wigner 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - Leon N. Cooper 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Georges Charpak 1995 - Martin Perl 1995 - Frederick Reines 1996 - David M. Lee 1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff 1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji 2000 - Zhores I. Alferov 2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg 2003 - Alexei Abrikosov here are a mere 12 Million Jews in the entire world yet they have received 164 Nobel Prizes. The Muslims number 1.4 Billion (with a very big "B")... or 117 times the number of Jews! Based upon this 117:1 Muslim-to-Jewish ratio, one might expect the Muslims to have 22,260 Nobel Laureates. They have SIX! and one of them [Arafat] was a murderer ___________________________________________________ anyone want to guess why there are not more Islamic winners? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #2 January 29, 2005 Are you trying to demonstrate the cultural bias of a Western organization? Or are you trying to use this as the basis for demonstrating some basic flaw in Arab people? I think you accomplish the first more effectively. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #3 January 29, 2005 This reminds me of a newspaper article written by an infamous Brit politician a few months ago entitled 'What have the Arabs ever done for us?'. The question was best answered on a satirical news quiz with the response, 'Well, apart from mathematics, architecture and being the birthplace of civilisation, nothing really.'Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #4 January 29, 2005 QuoteThis reminds me of a newspaper article written by an infamous Brit politician a few months ago entitled 'What have the Arabs ever done for us?'. The question was best answered on a satirical news quiz with the response, 'Well, apart from mathematics, architecture and being the birthplace of civilisation, nothing really.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct, however, Islam's biggest problem is that they had everything figured out centuries before the European Rennaissance, Protestant Reformation, American Revolutionary War, French Revolution, Industrial Revolution, etc. Islam has rested on their laurels and stagnated ever since, allowing the Jews, Christians, Capitalists, Industrialists, Communists, etc. to get ahead of Islam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #5 January 29, 2005 Quote Are you trying to demonstrate the cultural bias of a Western organization? Or are you trying to use this as the basis for demonstrating some basic flaw in Arab people? I think you accomplish the first more effectively. No not at all. It is interesting the first thing you (the left) do is look at it as "victimhood" I believe it is because most choose to use the gifted not to advance the culture or add something to the world but to give us people like Dr Germ. I do not see Arabs as being stupid just not using what they have as a culture to the best advantage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #6 January 29, 2005 I wonder how much of that has to do with economics? All those people growing up in near (or total) poverty have very little opportunity to gain the education necessary for most Nobel Prizes.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 January 29, 2005 You said exactly what I was thinking. It's probably not so much a religious thing, as implied in the original post, but an economic thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TypicalFish 0 #8 January 29, 2005 Quoteanyone want to guess why there are not more Islamic winners? I am curious as to your guess."I gargle no man's balls..." ussfpa on SOCNET Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinMcGuire 0 #9 January 29, 2005 Your point brings up another interesting point. How is it that much of the arab world is living in what the west would consider poverty when their govenments are sitting on some of the largest oil reserves on the planet? How is that Possible. I often wonder why so much animosity is directed at the western world when there seems to be a justification for directing it at their own government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #10 January 29, 2005 QuoteAre you trying to demonstrate the cultural bias of a Western organization? Or are you trying to use this as the basis for demonstrating some basic flaw in Arab people? I think you accomplish the first more effectively. It's their own fault. Muslim fundamentalism and the gross bigotry, intolerance and sexism it perpetrates is by far the biggest anchor in the arab world. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #11 January 29, 2005 12,000,000 Jews? Has this number been verified or has the population of jews been deliberatly underestimated to put a larger slant on the statistics. Just doesn't seem a large enough number to me.Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #12 January 29, 2005 QuoteJust doesn't seem a large enough number to me. I think the number is more like 14 Million, not 12. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #13 January 29, 2005 Quote12,000,000 Jews? Has this number been verified or has the population of jews been deliberatly underestimated to put a larger slant on the statistics. Just doesn't seem a large enough number to me. (Pulling Almanac off bookshelf...) Israel has a population of just 5 million. About the size of Houston, Texas, where I live. Wow. Total number of Jews worldwide: 13 million. (Putting Almanac back on bookshelf...) By gosh, that number is indeed close to being correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #14 January 29, 2005 One of my best friends is a retired auto mechanic. Good guy with a lot of superb qualities. He probably won't win a Nobel Prize, but I wouldn't judge him on that. It has little to do with his character. He worked hard, met his responsibilities, is kind to people, and raised fine kids. If those qualities are mirrored in a group or society overall, that would be a successful society. My best friend lives in a neighborhood like that. No Nobel Laureates, but there is a couple of steel workers who watch their kids play soccer every Saturday. That is a successful society in my book. Some of life is opportunities. How is one to recieve the Nobel Prize for violin music if you have never seen a violin in your rural society? The number of Nobel laureates cannot be used as a measure of the success of a society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #15 January 29, 2005 QuoteYour point brings up another interesting point. How is it that much of the arab world is living in what the west would consider poverty when their govenments are sitting on some of the largest oil reserves on the planet? How is that Possible. I often wonder why so much animosity is directed at the western world when there seems to be a justification for directing it at their own government. Kevin, I think that's a good point. I believe that Western Colonial Powers (namely the British and the French) do have a certain responsability in leading to this. The abuse the local colonized cultures suffered at the hands of colonial powers is probably still engrained in people's minds. But in a more contemporary fashion, I believe local dictators do manage to remain in power by "uniting" their people towards one same enemy. Much like Hitler pointing the fingers at the Jewish community as being responsible for all German ills, there is nothing like a clear cut enemy to rally the troops. It is true in the Middle East, it is true in the US, it is true in Europe, it is true everywhere. Single minded focus can do wonders when dealing with masses... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 January 30, 2005 QuoteYour point brings up another interesting point. How is it that much of the arab world is living in what the west would consider poverty when their govenments are sitting on some of the largest oil reserves on the planet? How is that Possible. Non-western societies tend to have a greater disparity of wealth distribution (Marxist propaganda notwithstanding). Those nations do actually have considerable wealth--it's just in the hands of a very few. In the oil sheikdoms, it's not even a case of rich and poor. It's more plutocrats and starving.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #17 January 30, 2005 QuoteKevin, I think that's a good point. I believe that Western Colonial Powers (namely the British and the French) do have a certain responsability in leading to this. The abuse the local colonized cultures suffered at the hands of colonial powers is probably still engrained in people's minds. But in a more contemporary fashion, I believe local dictators do manage to remain in power by "uniting" their people towards one same enemy. Much like Hitler pointing the fingers at the Jewish community as being responsible for all German ills, there is nothing like a clear cut enemy to rally the troops. It is true in the Middle East, it is true in the US, it is true in Europe, it is true everywhere. Single minded focus can do wonders when dealing with masses... wow frenchy and I agree on something Now that free elections (thanks to the willing)are going on in Iraq do you think this will lead to a change in the middle east on this issue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #18 January 30, 2005 QuoteNow that free elections (thanks to the willing)are going on in Iraq do you think this will lead to a change in the middle east on this issue? I truly hope so. I think it will depend on lots of factors, and that the real results will not be seen or felt for quite some time. I believe that those who advocated the invasion of Iraq (Good people), as well as those who opposed it (Evil French people), were doing so thinking of its repercussions in the long term. And I truly hope this vote will make a positive difference in years to come in Iraq & the Middle East. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jazzjumper 0 #19 January 30, 2005 QuoteAre you trying to demonstrate the cultural bias of a Western organization? Or are you trying to use this as the basis for demonstrating some basic flaw in Arab people? I think you accomplish the first more effectively. linz How about this....why not compare the numbers of contributors from each religion that would actually qualify for Nobels. At least you would have a better feel for the numbers that put out the effort. Is it a flaw to be motivated in different ways than say Western civiliation? I think raw facts are just that....come to your own conclusion. Look at advances in science, medicine, literature, arts... the fact-based conclusion is obvious, however distasteful. No matter how good she looks, someone, somewhere is sick of her shit! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #20 January 30, 2005 Quote(Evil French people)[/quote looking around for a greenie......na I just can't ***And I truly hope this vote will make a positive difference in years to come in Iraq & the Middle East. I agree, i guess the only looser is the true evil people, the terrorist and the oil for food ppl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #21 January 30, 2005 Ahem - what a STUPID(deleted) comparison to make. Care to compare stats on where these individuals lived and worked instead of their ethnicity and religion? (HINT: The overwhelming majority of the Jewish laureates were educated and worked in western nations). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #22 January 30, 2005 QuoteI wonder how much of that has to do with economics? All those people growing up in near (or total) poverty have very little opportunity to gain the education necessary for most Nobel Prizes. Einstein did his early work as a dropout working in as a clerk in a Swiss patent office. This is where he developed the theory of relativity and the theory of the photo electric effect, some of his earliest award winning work. Opportunities abound in the world, if people will take them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #23 January 30, 2005 QuoteQuoteI wonder how much of that has to do with economics? All those people growing up in near (or total) poverty have very little opportunity to gain the education necessary for most Nobel Prizes. Einstein did his early work as a dropout working in as a clerk in a Swiss patent office. This is where he developed the theory of relativity and the theory of the photo electric effect, some of his earliest award winning work. Opportunities abound in the world, if people will take them. As it happens, in the early 1900s a patent office was a perfect place to monitor scientific developments from around the world. Right place, right time. And remember, A.E. already had his Ph.D. from a top university, it wasn't as if he was uneducated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #24 January 30, 2005 QuoteHow about this....why not compare the numbers of contributors from each religion that would actually qualify for Nobels. At least you would have a better feel for the numbers that put out the effort. Is it a flaw to be motivated in different ways than say Western civiliation? I think raw facts are just that....come to your own conclusion. Look at advances in science, medicine, literature, arts... the fact-based conclusion is obvious, however distasteful. So out of over 1 billion Muslims world wide, the educated, middle class Muslims that have access to Nobel prize opportunities are severely outnumbered by 12 million Jews? That in itself should embarrass the Muslim community. The sheiks need to shake out a little college education for the masses. I think it's a classic case of a misguided culture of blaming someone else, and kleptocracy, a government that's only goal is to steal from the country and line it's own pockets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #25 January 30, 2005 Since Einstein was such a statistical anomaly, he really doesn't make a good point of comparison. QuoteThe sheiks need to shake out a little college education for the masses. Education would divide the power structure. The mullahs aren't interested in that. In the South, churches would tell blacks that "their treasures were stored up in heaven" and not to worry about earthly things. Education and self-determination were derided. As Marx said, "Religion is the opiate of the people." In effect, keeping people in a blissful state regardless of the reality. I am always amazed that Western societies still listen to 2000 year old mythologies. At a point 300 years ago, religion provided many valuable institutions. A common system of values, a social network, and aid to the poor. Now it seems to be a tax-free industry that returns little to society. Western societies are at a different cultural point, but I see religion holding back Western societies also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
