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is a gateway to an exchange of personal attacks, so maybe we should avoid that.



PURE FRIGGIN COMEDY GOLD!!!! seeing as this is coming from the person that just a couple posts ago was calling myself and every other conservative in the U.S. "Nazis".....
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could you clarify what incident you are talking about. that was about as specific as saying "hey you're from colorado do you know john, he lives there." if an iraqi soldier was killed by an american without need surely that soldier is being punished as a war criminal, like i said mistakes happen, but at least we make the effort to right the wrongs so they don't continue to happen.

Hey John from Colorado, hre's the link.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBKX4EIU2E.html

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I'm not going to help you deviate this thread from its original purpose anymore, if you want to argue about the reasons for this war and the on-going "crusade" as you are implying against the religion of Islam than start another post and i'll be happy to discuss it there. i'm sick of every post regarding the President or the middle east deviating into a general argument about the war. the leftists will take every chance they can to try and get their point across and its getting rather tiring.

back to the point.


could you clarify what incident you are talking about. that was about as specific as saying "hey you're from colorado do you know john, he lives there." if an iraqi soldier was killed by an american without need surely that soldier is being punished as a war criminal, like i said mistakes happen, but at least we make the effort to right the wrongs so they don't continue to happen.

About 4 months ago there was a news bite of a US soldier shooting and killing and unarmed and injured Iraqi soldier. Yes, he was arrested and was/will be tried, so they say. Oh, big mix-up. Isn't it great to default to things like, "It's not a perfect system, but it's the best in the world, bla, bla, bla..." Kind of alleviates one from dealing with the substantive issues, huh?
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OK now i know which incident you were talking about and if i recall this marine is being investigated for it and possibly brought up on charges, so wouldn't the fact that he is facing murder charges prove that we are not there with the intent of murdering innocent iraqis?


As a closing statement, your reference to reading books is undermined by your general punctuation, syntax and overall grammar. Not attacking you or trying to be the spelling Nazi, I am a lazy ‘typer’ at times too, but I just find it odd. ***

When i spoke of reading a book i was referring to your completely inaccurate explenation of operation desert shield/storm. i was making no shots at grammar punctuation or the like. take all the shots you'd like at the way i type i can be incredibly articulate and when i feel like it, but frankly arguing with you in this forum does not feel like its worth the effort. care to take any more shots at my education?
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I'm not going to help you deviate this thread from its original purpose anymore, if you want to argue about the reasons for this war and the on-going "crusade" as you are implying against the religion of Islam than start another post and i'll be happy to discuss it there. i'm sick of every post regarding the President or the middle east deviating into a general argument about the war. the leftists will take every chance they can to try and get their point across and its getting rather tiring.

back to the point.


could you clarify what incident you are talking about. that was about as specific as saying "hey you're from colorado do you know john, he lives there." if an iraqi soldier was killed by an american without need surely that soldier is being punished as a war criminal, like i said mistakes happen, but at least we make the effort to right the wrongs so they don't continue to happen.

About 4 months ago there was a news bite of a US soldier shooting and killing and unarmed and injured Iraqi soldier. Yes, he was arrested and was/will be tried, so they say. Oh, big mix-up. Isn't it great to default to things like, "It's not a perfect system, but it's the best in the world, bla, bla, bla..." Kind of alleviates one from dealing with the substantive issues, huh?

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OK now i know which incident you were talking about and if i recall this marine is being investigated for it and possibly brought up on charges, so wouldn't the fact that he is facing murder charges prove that we are not there with the intent of murdering innocent iraqis?


As a closing statement, your reference to reading books is undermined by your general punctuation, syntax and overall grammar. Not attacking you or trying to be the spelling Nazi, I am a lazy ‘typer’ at times too, but I just find it odd. ***

When i spoke of reading a book i was referring to your completely inaccurate explenation of operation desert shield/storm. i was making no shots at grammar punctuation or the like. take all the shots you'd like at the way i type i can be incredibly articulate and when i feel like it, but frankly arguing with you in this forum does not feel like its worth the effort. care to take any more shots at my education?



I'm not going to help you deviate this thread from its original purpose anymore,...

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i'm sick of every post regarding the President or the middle east deviating into a general argument about the war...

Then why the above?

the leftists will take every chance they can to try and get their point across and its getting rather tiring.

And why that? Aren't you purpetuating what you claim the other side does?

OK now i know which incident you were talking about and if i recall this marine is being investigated for it and possibly brought up on charges, so wouldn't the fact that he is facing murder charges prove that we are not there with the intent of murdering innocent iraqis?

Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality.

When i spoke of reading a book i was referring to your completely inaccurate explenation of operation desert shield/storm. i was making no shots at grammar punctuation or the like. take all the shots you'd like at the way i type i can be incredibly articulate and when i feel like it, but frankly arguing with you in this forum does not feel like its worth the effort. care to take any more shots at my education?

I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?

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Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality.



First, if I'm not mistaken, he is over there so he has a much more "educated" position on the subject of what the troops might be thinking than you do. Second, your generalization of cops and soldiers is repugnant. You must really know a lot of them to know that they are all bullies and so overzealous. I wonder what they think about your opinion of them?

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I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?



You responded to him asking people to educate themselves about a situation, which I'll remind you again, that he seems to have 1st hand knowledge about, with a slam at his punctuation and grammar. That is the lamest type of argument I've seen on message boards like this.

George Bush is not a murderer, if you think so... just say it. Explain it. Argue about it. But please, think about what you post, and who you're arguing with. Sometimes, they MAY know more than you about something... and they probably don't care how they spell it or punctuate it.
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everyone else in this forum seems to understand where i was goin with my statements so i therefore am going to make no effort to justify them to you

Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality.***


this though, calling all of us over aggressive. well then another unfounded generalization is that all people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same. sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is. re-think that last statement.
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my bad I had ment to type 700 a week.



Ok, no prob, but I'm still sceptical of that. I know he was a SOB, but how do they arrive at that #?



well for one we have stacks of dated files with SH's signature on them authorizing peoples executions.
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Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality.



First, if I'm not mistaken, he is over there so he has a much more "educated" position on the subject of what the troops might be thinking than you do. Second, your generalization of cops and soldiers is repugnant. You must really know a lot of them to know that they are all bullies and so overzealous. I wonder what they think about your opinion of them?

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I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?



You responded to him asking people to educate themselves about a situation, which I'll remind you again, that he seems to have 1st hand knowledge about, with a slam at his punctuation and grammar. That is the lamest type of argument I've seen on message boards like this.

George Bush is not a murderer, if you think so... just say it. Explain it. Argue about it. But please, think about what you post, and who you're arguing with. Sometimes, they MAY know more than you about something... and they probably don't care how they spell it or punctuate it.



First, if I'm not mistaken, he is over there so he has a much more "educated" position on the subject of what the troops might be thinking than you do.

Maybe a street-educated version, but not academic. Also, how many cops or military folks vote Dem? There is a huge bias with military members and cops - very conservative.

Second, your generalization of cops and soldiers is repugnant.

OK, but is it incorrect? I was the neighbor of the famous murdering cop here in Chandler, Arizona and I went to community college then ASU with some of the same, so I know how they love the Constitution and think every rich person should have those rights protected.

I wonder what they think about your opinion of them?

Doubt they care, just as I don't care the other way.

George Bush is not a murderer, if you think so... just say it. Explain it. Argue about it. But please, think about what you post, and who you're arguing with. Sometimes, they MAY know more than you about something...

Absolutely. I was just addressing other's assertions. As for knowing more, if someone is over there, they know what they know from their perspective, and from there position. We all know military folks are left in the dark, especially in wartime.

...and they probably don't care how they spell it or punctuate it.

Nor do I, but when someone pipes in with something about getting more education and they obviously lack basic grammar skills, I think it's my right to point out the irony.

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everyone else in this forum seems to understand where i was goin with my statements so i therefore am going to make no effort to justify them to you

Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality.***


this though, calling all of us over aggressive. well then another unfounded generalization is that all people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same. sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is. re-think that last statement.



people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same.

This is a personal attack.

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people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same.

This is a personal attack.



Mommy, mommy! GQ Jumper called me a bad name!

Cry me a river. We've got moderators who will determine what is and what isn't a personal attack. Why don't you focus on the argument at hand?

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people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same.

This is a personal attack.



Mommy, mommy! GW Jumper called me a bad name!

Cry me a river. We've got moderators who will determine what is and what isn't a personal attack. Why don't you focus on the argument at hand?

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I would absolutley prefer to do it that way, and I formerly did, but then I was suspened for 2 weeks for it - we'll see how they handle it now.....

I'm the most thick-skinned person I know, so it doesn't really offend me one bit - I just don't like the double standard.

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well then another unfounded generalization /
sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is


This is a personal attack.

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read a little closer, for once don't just see what you want to see, are you becoming so desperate knowing that you are losing an argument that you are going to call in the moderators to block someone to help your cause? i said myself it was an unfounded and stupid statement in an effort to show you how your own statement sounded, if you took it as a personal attack you may want to rethink saying you are thick skinned.

now, commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it, that seems pretty personal to me. because i would rather type quick and get the message out than use big words to make myself sound more educated because my posts are full of hollow claims does that mean i'm uneducated?

now ladies and gentleman i am stepping out of this argument what was a constructive discussion has turned into a pissing contest that will undoubtedly get people banned from SC if it continues, and i don't feel anything else good can come of this thread. i'll see you all in the next debate.

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This is great... it just keeps getting better.

In response to be stating that GQ is over there and probably is more "educated" than you on how our troops might be thinking, you reply....
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Maybe a street-educated version, but not academic. Also, how many cops or military folks vote Dem? There is a huge bias with military members and cops - very conservative.



WTF does that have to do with my statement? What kind of academic education do you want on what troops currently overseas are thinking? Oh, you're waiting for a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. You'd take their word for it, but not GQ's. :S

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OK, but is it incorrect? I was the neighbor of the famous murdering cop here in Chandler, Arizona and I went to community college then ASU with some of the same, so I know how they love the Constitution and think every rich person should have those rights protected.



So because you knew of a bad cop and went to school with some guys who became cops, ALL COPS AND SOLDIERS are overzealous bullies and only want rich people protected?:S Find me some "rich" cops and soldiers. Do you actually re-read what you write before you post this stuff?

And since I said that attacking grammar and punctuation is the lamest kind of argument...
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Nor do I, but when someone pipes in with something about getting more education and they obviously lack basic grammar skills, I think it's my right to point out the irony.



He was speaking about education of a particular situation, not your degree, diploma, or test scores. At least that's how it read to me. And someone overseas with the men and women in the armed forces is absolutely more educated than you in what it is like to be there.


Well, either way, it's been fun... but your arguments are just not making sense. Enjoy the rest of the thread!
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well then another unfounded generalization /
sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is


This is a personal attack.

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read a little closer, for once don't just see what you want to see, are you becoming so desperate knowing that you are losing an argument that you are going to call in the moderators to block someone to help your cause? i said myself it was an unfounded and stupid statement in an effort to show you how your own statement sounded, if you took it as a personal attack you may want to rethink saying you are thick skinned.

now, commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it, that seems pretty personal to me. because i would rather type quick and get the message out than use big words to make myself sound more educated because my posts are full of hollow claims does that mean i'm uneducated?

now ladies and gentleman i am stepping out of this argument what was a constructive discussion has turned into a pissing contest that will undoubtedly get people banned from SC if it continues, and i don't feel anything else good can come of this thread. i'll see you all in the next debate.

Blues!!



Uh, no. The part I was refering to was this:

this though, calling all of us over aggressive. well then another unfounded generalization is that all people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same. sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is. re-think that last statement.

"...they are too utterly pathetic ..."

That was the personal attack. Again, I'm not offended, I just wanna play that way too, but they won't let me. I'm just hoping they police other people the way they police(d) me. ;) You chopped my quote of yours to include just:

well then another unfounded generalization /
sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is


Again, I am thick-skinned, but if I am policed then I would hope others are too.

now, commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it, that seems pretty personal to me.

Well, you initiated the first educational remark by posting:

Once again i ask everyone to open a textbook before they open their mouth.

So how is it that you can complain about any remarks from there on? Furthermore, I posted:

"As a closing statement, your reference to reading books is undermined by your general punctuation, syntax and overall grammar. Not attacking you or trying to be the spelling Nazi, I am a lazy ‘typer’ at times too, but I just find it odd."

and:

"I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?"

I didn't find where I supposedly wrote: ...commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it... Did I miss it, or is it another fabrication on your part?

So you are going to misrepresent my statements and go.... [:/]

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This is great... it just keeps getting better.

In response to be stating that GQ is over there and probably is more "educated" than you on how our troops might be thinking, you reply....

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Maybe a street-educated version, but not academic. Also, how many cops or military folks vote Dem? There is a huge bias with military members and cops - very conservative.



WTF does that have to do with my statement? What kind of academic education do you want on what troops currently overseas are thinking? Oh, you're waiting for a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. You'd take their word for it, but not GQ's. :S

In reply to me saying your opinion of soldiers and cops is repugnant...
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OK, but is it incorrect? I was the neighbor of the famous murdering cop here in Chandler, Arizona and I went to community college then ASU with some of the same, so I know how they love the Constitution and think every rich person should have those rights protected.



So because you knew of a bad cop and went to school with some guys who became cops, ALL COPS AND SOLDIERS are overzealous bullies and only want rich people protected?:S Find me some "rich" cops and soldiers. Do you actually re-read what you write before you post this stuff?

And since I said that attacking grammar and punctuation is the lamest kind of argument...
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Nor do I, but when someone pipes in with something about getting more education and they obviously lack basic grammar skills, I think it's my right to point out the irony.



He was speaking about education of a particular situation, not your degree, diploma, or test scores. At least that's how it read to me. And someone overseas with the men and women in the armed forces is absolutely more educated than you in what it is like to be there.


Well, either way, it's been fun... but your arguments are just not making sense. Enjoy the rest of the thread!



WTF does that have to do with my statement? What kind of academic education do you want on what troops currently overseas are thinking? Oh, you're waiting for a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. You'd take their word for it, but not GQ's.

Look at the above post to understand how the, "academic" issue was started, or better yet, review the thread. As for, a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. I would rather debate these issues with people who have opposing, well-made arguments.

So because you knew of a bad cop and went to school with some guys who became cops, ALL COPS AND SOLDIERS are overzealous bullies and only want rich people protected?

Another massive set of misquotes. :S Can you find where I wrote anything about all ciops or military people.......? What I wrote was that they are generally conservtaive in nature, but that didn't work into your argument so you augmented it.

Find me some "rich" cops and soldiers

You missed the boat there too. No where did I wrote anything about the cops or militayr folks being rich, just that the cops protect the rich folks. Quit trying to revise my statements please.

He was speaking about education of a particular situation, not your degree, diploma, or test scores. At least that's how it read to me. And someone overseas with the men and women in the armed forces is absolutely more educated than you in what it is like to be there.

Now you're going to speak for him. I know what you're saying, that he is street-wise. The problem is that he immediately insisted we go read a book to educate ourselves of the matter over there. If he would have written something about living thru the war, that would be one thing, but he referenced academic education, which opened a new door - get it?

BTW, I have served 15 months in Guam when I was a kid, so I know the deal even tho there was no war.

Well, either way, it's been fun... but your arguments are just not making sense. Enjoy the rest of the thread!

Back at ya ;)

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Look at the above post to understand how the, "academic" issue was started, or better yet, review the thread. As for, a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. I would rather debate these issues with people who have opposing, well-made arguments.




1st this poll has no "academic" value
I have yet to hear a first hand report that differs from the ones expressed by GQ. It is hard to debate someone that will not accept facts. If you know of anyone on this board, that is there now and agrees with your view, please let us know.........

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