Snowflake 0 #26 January 26, 2005 Dear Michele, My response is to one person if I was making it about a group be sure I would make that distinction quite clear.When one person who happens to be from a group makes a statement I do not attribute that statement to the whole group. Actually my responses have been tounge in cheek, because there is no way I can take the start of this thread as an attempt at dialouge so I can't take it seriously our I will get pissed. As far as my perspective I gave that in another thread and was told in everyway but......that I was lying and/or whining by funks..... so I already know what he thinks of my perspective. At no point did anyone ask for my perspective or to elaborate on anything I said so I didn't. Again just because someone is in a group does not mean I'm aiming a reply at that group, I'd like to think I'm smarter then that. Or as George Lopez says "Why hate someone for the color of their skin when you can get to know them and really have a good reason to hate them" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #27 January 26, 2005 QuoteI hope you are referring to the statements about err...white people. Are you? Damn now theres Dr Pepper all over my keyboard....that is too funny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #28 January 26, 2005 Snowflake, My original post was about an article that stated that a large group of the black population believes that AIDS was created to specifically wipe out the black community. I followed that up with a comment about conspiracies. You stated in one of your posts that you believe these conspiracies do exist. I am still waiting to hear some examples from you. I guess I could say that the NFL has a conspiracy against the white man and doesnt want any white running backs. Pretty funny huh. I would never say that because it simply isnt true. It is what it is. What we are talking about here is perception. The only point that I am trying to make is that some black people blame their hardships on their skin color. The article simply supported my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #29 January 26, 2005 QuoteCan you please tell me how someone on a low income (because they have a low paying job, not because they are on welfare), supporting a family can move to a more upscale neighbourhood where rent would probably be 3 times what they currently pay, if not more? Sure.. Stop having more children they can't support to qualify for more welfare. Welfare is a broken system that breeds dependancy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #30 January 26, 2005 QuoteMy original post was about an article that stated that a large group of the black population believes that AIDS was created to specifically wipe our the black community. I followed that up with a comment about conspiracies. That sounds innocuous, but what you actually said was QuoteWhy the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? Unless I missed something in english class, which is entirely possible since I skipped school a lot. This sentence asks why all black people, not some. think theres a conspiricy against them. With hell and freakin in there as modifiers ask yourself how would I percieve that sentence. Would I look at it as an opening to meaningful dialouge or an attack based on race? QuoteYou stated in one of your posts that you believe these conspiracies do exist. I am still waiting to hear some examples from you. Oh no you don't!!!!! I tried that with you before and like I said you did everything but call me liar I'm enjoying this right now no need to get pissed off and since being called a liar will piss me off. I'm not going there. QuoteI guess I could say that the NFL has a conspiracy against the white man and doesnt want any white running backs. Pretty funny huh. I would never say that because it simply isnt true. It is what it is. Or you could say that all blacks think that theres a freakin conspiracy.....same thing and non-sequiter (Edit to add I remember when there is no way D. Mcnabb and M. Vick would have been QB's in a NFC title game or even starting QB's wonder why....no conspiracy it just was what it was funny huh?) QuoteWhat we are talking about here is perception. The only point that I am trying to make is that some black people blame their hardships on their skin color. The article simply supported my opinion. There ya go "some" can be a beautiful word. I know it makes it harder not to put everyone in a box but it is what it is. As stated earlier some people will use anything to blame for their shitty situations. It doesn't matter race, creed, or color . Sometimes their right but crying about it will still get you nowhere There are crazy white folks that blame all the countries problems on a long list of races and creeds black and jewish being on the top of the list. Now if I had an opinion that all white people were out to get me wouldn't they support my opinion........yep the dog keeps trying to bite his tail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
78RATS 0 #31 January 26, 2005 Quote I'd like to think I'm smarter then that. I'd like to think all the girls are looking at me. Doesn't make it true. Rat for Life - Fly till I die When them stupid ass bitches ask why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #32 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ Given that very many black Americans can remember not being allowed to use the same restrooms as whites....or eat in the same dining rooms as whites....or drink from the same water fountains as whites.....or attend the same public schools as whites, then I'm not surprised that MANY black people believe that whites are conspiring against them. I graduated from high school 20 years ago. I remember during my teenage years stealing the neon "Colored" sign from above the bathroom door of a local gas station. Granted, the rule wasn't still in effect, but the sign was still there.... The answer to your question is pretty clear to me, though I think you're way off base in insinuating that all black people think everything is a conspiracy. I do understand why many would, though.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #33 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe answer to your question is pretty clear to me, though I think you're way off base in insinuating that all black people think everything is a conspiracy. I do understand why many would, though.... linz So you are saying that because black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains or use the same bathrooms as white people X number of years ago, you can understand why some black people think the government has conspired to commit mass genocide against the black man??? A little extreme wouldnt you say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #34 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe answer to your question is pretty clear to me, though I think you're way off base in insinuating that all black people think everything is a conspiracy. I do understand why many would, though.... linz So you are saying that because black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains or use the same bathrooms as white people X number of years ago that you can understand why some black people think the government has conspired to commit mass genocide against the black man??? A little extreme wouldnt you say? Surely you're aware of the history that preceded black people not being able to drink from the same water fountains as whites.... I'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. And given the history, then no I don't think it's extreme. I do think it's erroneous....but not extreme.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #35 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #36 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. All I'm saying is that I understand why many black people feel that there is a conspiracy against them. I get the sense, from the tone of your posts, that you're interested in making some point, but not in discussing a very sensitive issue. I am not a fan of the NAACP or of Affirmative Action, and I couldn't care less whether BET is black. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. The same is true here, imho. That belief, though, is pragmatic. It does not temper my sensitivity toward people who have, whether you want to admit it or not, been conspired against historically.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #37 January 26, 2005 [reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. Case in point from another thread. Every NFL team is mandated to interview at least one black head coach candidate prior to hiring a head coach. Guess why? Because sharpton, and jackson bitched and moaned that there werent enough black head coaches in the league, and then Cochran went to work from a legal standpoint. This is bullshit, they are not asking for equal treatment, they are asking for special treatment. I get equally irritated when an asian person qualifies for a loan before I do simply because they are considered the minority. There just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #38 January 26, 2005 QuoteThere just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. The problem is that people tend to favor those who are lke themselves. You hang with people whom you like, and you are more comfortable working with them, and probably skydiving with them. If everyone in the office is white, well, whaddaya know -- there might be the popular guy who tells the occasional racist joke, or the occasional woman joke. It would be bad to make a new employee uncomfortable, so they hire someone who "fits in." Guess what -- they just discriminated against women and minorities. All because you're trying to protect them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #39 January 26, 2005 Quote*** You hang with people whom you like, Wendy W. Actually most of my friends are dicks, I am still trying to figure out why I hang out with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #40 January 26, 2005 QuoteWhy is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, television WAS white entertainment television. LIFE magazine WAS about white people. There was ONE black character in a positive starring role in a series that I remember -- Diahann Carroll in a show about a nurse. Women were housewives -- it was pretty stereotype-busting when Marlo Thomas did "That Girl" about a girl with a job and a boyfriend, and when Mary Tyler Moore had a show about a women WITHOUT a boyfriend but with a job. White people don't need advancement as a race in the US. They're already there. Individuals of all races need advancement. The two can be contradictory sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #41 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. What is "the black community?" There is not a single black community the best I can tell. If you think that the social progress that many black people have made over the past few decades is not a result of some strength from within, then I think you are just bound and determined to see the worst in people. There are many, many people who make it in this world because of the effort they put into life. There are others who don't. I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. When you find yourself with such a finger to point, I suggest looking in the mirror and finding a more productive place for all that energy. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #42 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them just because of their skin color. That is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #43 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them when compared to the different colored guy standing next to them. That is bullshit. One reason might be that most employers are white people, many of whom hold attitudes like yours. Hard to get ahead when your prospective employer holds a not-so-favorable view of you because of your skin color. I definately have it easier in my profession than many others around here do because of who I am.... because of my family history in this part of the state and because of my family's contribution to this profession over generations. My hill is not so steep. I try to do well and not embarass myself and my family, but I'll be taken care of because of who I am. There are many more white people in my situation than there are blacks. Then when you narrow the slice of the pie that you're examining to the segment of society who really controls the wealth.....it's REALLY hard for any ethnic minority to break into that circle.... Again, I think that if you truly WANT to understand why people feel like they do, then you can search and pretty easily find the answer through your own thought processes....as long as you're really trying to answer your question and not just looking for a reason to rant.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 January 26, 2005 >Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? Because some of them were denied education, jobs and even wives/husbands when they were younger based on their race. Remember, the Supreme Court ruling overturning laws that prohibited interracial marriages wasn't made until 1967, and up until 1963 it was illegal for blacks to go to 'white' public schools in Mississippi. Now we finally do have a level playing field, at least for students who want to start school today and couples who want to marry today (for the most part.) But there are still people around who are a product of an incredibly slanted field. If you are denied education when you are a child, it's hard to fix that 40 years later. The best you can do is make sure that today's children don't have the same thing done to them (which, for the most part, we've accomplished.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #45 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ We don't and it's really not that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #46 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo are you saying someone forces them to live in a hazardous area? Yes, income is a factor, however if the desire is strong enough I am quite sure they could find a less "hazardous" place to live. That is an amazing idea. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before. It must be wonderful to be so wh...err I mean right all the time Oh Boo Hoo. Once again, these are perfect examples of just complaining about a situation instead of doing something about it. Are you telling me that every low income person lives in a "hazardous" area? Bullshit. "Desire" alone won't change anything and AGAIN, it's not that simple. It's very easy to look at things from your own perspective; we all do so. What's difficult is looking at something from someone else's perspective and understanding it. Having worked with kids from "hazardous" areas in Atlanta, and LA the term refers to more than simply the quality of the drinking water. It actually refers to the quality of life. As far as "complaining" goes, you have to diagnose and discuss a problem before you can treat it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #47 January 26, 2005 To this day I think AIDS is something that might have gotten out of a lab, but not on purpose. Agreed. Something like that didn't naturally evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #48 January 27, 2005 A college advisor of mine was a long time surgeon at Grady hospital in Atlanta. He retired and became a professor at my college. I bumped into him at a restaurant with a friend of mine who was interviewing for a residency at Grady and we all sat and talked. He told us about a 30+ year old practice of experimenting on "only Black" homeless, chiefly men. The examples he gave us ranged from intentional infection with the intent of determining the effectiveness of new treatments to correctly diagnosing a health issue and providing a placebo while informing the patient otherwise. While I was working in LA I spent some time with kids from high crime rate areas (specifially and area known as "The Jungle." The scenes in Training Day in the projects were shot there). A few of them told me about trains that would stop and sit for days at a time full of alcohol and guns. As soon as most of the stuff found its way off the cars the train woudl disappear. I listened but didn't believe because the stories seemed sooooo far fetched. One of the last times I went back one of the kid's mothers showed me one of the alleged trains as it coasted to a stop. I sat and watched for hours and waited for something to happen. She could tell I didn't believe her so she walked over to one of the cars, opened the door, hopped inside and trotted back a few minutes later with three revolvers and a bottle of "wild irish rose." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #49 January 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Why are you bothered by BET? It's owned by Viacom which certaintly isn't comprised of Black people. Is JET magazine a threat to you? JET's main purpose is entertainment. Getting upset about JET is tantamount to getting upset about Sixteen Magazine. As far as the NAACP goes you have to take into consideration when it was founded and what the social climate was then. It continues to exist because some of the same concerns need to be addressed and it's easier to do that via a platform like the NAACP. "Smallville," "Jack and Bobby," "Gilmore Girls," "Blue Collar TV," "One Tree Hill," "What I Like About You..." all WB shows and there are no Black actors in leading roles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #50 January 27, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. 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Lindsey 0 #34 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe answer to your question is pretty clear to me, though I think you're way off base in insinuating that all black people think everything is a conspiracy. I do understand why many would, though.... linz So you are saying that because black people were not allowed to drink from the same water fountains or use the same bathrooms as white people X number of years ago that you can understand why some black people think the government has conspired to commit mass genocide against the black man??? A little extreme wouldnt you say? Surely you're aware of the history that preceded black people not being able to drink from the same water fountains as whites.... I'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. And given the history, then no I don't think it's extreme. I do think it's erroneous....but not extreme.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #35 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #36 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. All I'm saying is that I understand why many black people feel that there is a conspiracy against them. I get the sense, from the tone of your posts, that you're interested in making some point, but not in discussing a very sensitive issue. I am not a fan of the NAACP or of Affirmative Action, and I couldn't care less whether BET is black. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. The same is true here, imho. That belief, though, is pragmatic. It does not temper my sensitivity toward people who have, whether you want to admit it or not, been conspired against historically.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #37 January 26, 2005 [reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. Case in point from another thread. Every NFL team is mandated to interview at least one black head coach candidate prior to hiring a head coach. Guess why? Because sharpton, and jackson bitched and moaned that there werent enough black head coaches in the league, and then Cochran went to work from a legal standpoint. This is bullshit, they are not asking for equal treatment, they are asking for special treatment. I get equally irritated when an asian person qualifies for a loan before I do simply because they are considered the minority. There just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #38 January 26, 2005 QuoteThere just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. The problem is that people tend to favor those who are lke themselves. You hang with people whom you like, and you are more comfortable working with them, and probably skydiving with them. If everyone in the office is white, well, whaddaya know -- there might be the popular guy who tells the occasional racist joke, or the occasional woman joke. It would be bad to make a new employee uncomfortable, so they hire someone who "fits in." Guess what -- they just discriminated against women and minorities. All because you're trying to protect them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #39 January 26, 2005 Quote*** You hang with people whom you like, Wendy W. Actually most of my friends are dicks, I am still trying to figure out why I hang out with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #40 January 26, 2005 QuoteWhy is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, television WAS white entertainment television. LIFE magazine WAS about white people. There was ONE black character in a positive starring role in a series that I remember -- Diahann Carroll in a show about a nurse. Women were housewives -- it was pretty stereotype-busting when Marlo Thomas did "That Girl" about a girl with a job and a boyfriend, and when Mary Tyler Moore had a show about a women WITHOUT a boyfriend but with a job. White people don't need advancement as a race in the US. They're already there. Individuals of all races need advancement. The two can be contradictory sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #41 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. What is "the black community?" There is not a single black community the best I can tell. If you think that the social progress that many black people have made over the past few decades is not a result of some strength from within, then I think you are just bound and determined to see the worst in people. There are many, many people who make it in this world because of the effort they put into life. There are others who don't. I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. When you find yourself with such a finger to point, I suggest looking in the mirror and finding a more productive place for all that energy. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #42 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them just because of their skin color. That is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #43 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them when compared to the different colored guy standing next to them. That is bullshit. One reason might be that most employers are white people, many of whom hold attitudes like yours. Hard to get ahead when your prospective employer holds a not-so-favorable view of you because of your skin color. I definately have it easier in my profession than many others around here do because of who I am.... because of my family history in this part of the state and because of my family's contribution to this profession over generations. My hill is not so steep. I try to do well and not embarass myself and my family, but I'll be taken care of because of who I am. There are many more white people in my situation than there are blacks. Then when you narrow the slice of the pie that you're examining to the segment of society who really controls the wealth.....it's REALLY hard for any ethnic minority to break into that circle.... Again, I think that if you truly WANT to understand why people feel like they do, then you can search and pretty easily find the answer through your own thought processes....as long as you're really trying to answer your question and not just looking for a reason to rant.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 January 26, 2005 >Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? Because some of them were denied education, jobs and even wives/husbands when they were younger based on their race. Remember, the Supreme Court ruling overturning laws that prohibited interracial marriages wasn't made until 1967, and up until 1963 it was illegal for blacks to go to 'white' public schools in Mississippi. Now we finally do have a level playing field, at least for students who want to start school today and couples who want to marry today (for the most part.) But there are still people around who are a product of an incredibly slanted field. If you are denied education when you are a child, it's hard to fix that 40 years later. The best you can do is make sure that today's children don't have the same thing done to them (which, for the most part, we've accomplished.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #45 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ We don't and it's really not that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #46 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo are you saying someone forces them to live in a hazardous area? Yes, income is a factor, however if the desire is strong enough I am quite sure they could find a less "hazardous" place to live. That is an amazing idea. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before. It must be wonderful to be so wh...err I mean right all the time Oh Boo Hoo. Once again, these are perfect examples of just complaining about a situation instead of doing something about it. Are you telling me that every low income person lives in a "hazardous" area? Bullshit. "Desire" alone won't change anything and AGAIN, it's not that simple. It's very easy to look at things from your own perspective; we all do so. What's difficult is looking at something from someone else's perspective and understanding it. Having worked with kids from "hazardous" areas in Atlanta, and LA the term refers to more than simply the quality of the drinking water. It actually refers to the quality of life. As far as "complaining" goes, you have to diagnose and discuss a problem before you can treat it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #47 January 26, 2005 To this day I think AIDS is something that might have gotten out of a lab, but not on purpose. Agreed. Something like that didn't naturally evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #48 January 27, 2005 A college advisor of mine was a long time surgeon at Grady hospital in Atlanta. He retired and became a professor at my college. I bumped into him at a restaurant with a friend of mine who was interviewing for a residency at Grady and we all sat and talked. He told us about a 30+ year old practice of experimenting on "only Black" homeless, chiefly men. The examples he gave us ranged from intentional infection with the intent of determining the effectiveness of new treatments to correctly diagnosing a health issue and providing a placebo while informing the patient otherwise. While I was working in LA I spent some time with kids from high crime rate areas (specifially and area known as "The Jungle." The scenes in Training Day in the projects were shot there). A few of them told me about trains that would stop and sit for days at a time full of alcohol and guns. As soon as most of the stuff found its way off the cars the train woudl disappear. I listened but didn't believe because the stories seemed sooooo far fetched. One of the last times I went back one of the kid's mothers showed me one of the alleged trains as it coasted to a stop. I sat and watched for hours and waited for something to happen. She could tell I didn't believe her so she walked over to one of the cars, opened the door, hopped inside and trotted back a few minutes later with three revolvers and a bottle of "wild irish rose." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #49 January 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Why are you bothered by BET? It's owned by Viacom which certaintly isn't comprised of Black people. Is JET magazine a threat to you? JET's main purpose is entertainment. Getting upset about JET is tantamount to getting upset about Sixteen Magazine. As far as the NAACP goes you have to take into consideration when it was founded and what the social climate was then. It continues to exist because some of the same concerns need to be addressed and it's easier to do that via a platform like the NAACP. "Smallville," "Jack and Bobby," "Gilmore Girls," "Blue Collar TV," "One Tree Hill," "What I Like About You..." all WB shows and there are no Black actors in leading roles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #50 January 27, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. 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funks 1 #35 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #36 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. All I'm saying is that I understand why many black people feel that there is a conspiracy against them. I get the sense, from the tone of your posts, that you're interested in making some point, but not in discussing a very sensitive issue. I am not a fan of the NAACP or of Affirmative Action, and I couldn't care less whether BET is black. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. The same is true here, imho. That belief, though, is pragmatic. It does not temper my sensitivity toward people who have, whether you want to admit it or not, been conspired against historically.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #37 January 26, 2005 [reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. Case in point from another thread. Every NFL team is mandated to interview at least one black head coach candidate prior to hiring a head coach. Guess why? Because sharpton, and jackson bitched and moaned that there werent enough black head coaches in the league, and then Cochran went to work from a legal standpoint. This is bullshit, they are not asking for equal treatment, they are asking for special treatment. I get equally irritated when an asian person qualifies for a loan before I do simply because they are considered the minority. There just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #38 January 26, 2005 QuoteThere just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. The problem is that people tend to favor those who are lke themselves. You hang with people whom you like, and you are more comfortable working with them, and probably skydiving with them. If everyone in the office is white, well, whaddaya know -- there might be the popular guy who tells the occasional racist joke, or the occasional woman joke. It would be bad to make a new employee uncomfortable, so they hire someone who "fits in." Guess what -- they just discriminated against women and minorities. All because you're trying to protect them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #39 January 26, 2005 Quote*** You hang with people whom you like, Wendy W. Actually most of my friends are dicks, I am still trying to figure out why I hang out with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #40 January 26, 2005 QuoteWhy is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, television WAS white entertainment television. LIFE magazine WAS about white people. There was ONE black character in a positive starring role in a series that I remember -- Diahann Carroll in a show about a nurse. Women were housewives -- it was pretty stereotype-busting when Marlo Thomas did "That Girl" about a girl with a job and a boyfriend, and when Mary Tyler Moore had a show about a women WITHOUT a boyfriend but with a job. White people don't need advancement as a race in the US. They're already there. Individuals of all races need advancement. The two can be contradictory sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #41 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. What is "the black community?" There is not a single black community the best I can tell. If you think that the social progress that many black people have made over the past few decades is not a result of some strength from within, then I think you are just bound and determined to see the worst in people. There are many, many people who make it in this world because of the effort they put into life. There are others who don't. I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. When you find yourself with such a finger to point, I suggest looking in the mirror and finding a more productive place for all that energy. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #42 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them just because of their skin color. That is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #43 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them when compared to the different colored guy standing next to them. That is bullshit. One reason might be that most employers are white people, many of whom hold attitudes like yours. Hard to get ahead when your prospective employer holds a not-so-favorable view of you because of your skin color. I definately have it easier in my profession than many others around here do because of who I am.... because of my family history in this part of the state and because of my family's contribution to this profession over generations. My hill is not so steep. I try to do well and not embarass myself and my family, but I'll be taken care of because of who I am. There are many more white people in my situation than there are blacks. Then when you narrow the slice of the pie that you're examining to the segment of society who really controls the wealth.....it's REALLY hard for any ethnic minority to break into that circle.... Again, I think that if you truly WANT to understand why people feel like they do, then you can search and pretty easily find the answer through your own thought processes....as long as you're really trying to answer your question and not just looking for a reason to rant.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 January 26, 2005 >Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? Because some of them were denied education, jobs and even wives/husbands when they were younger based on their race. Remember, the Supreme Court ruling overturning laws that prohibited interracial marriages wasn't made until 1967, and up until 1963 it was illegal for blacks to go to 'white' public schools in Mississippi. Now we finally do have a level playing field, at least for students who want to start school today and couples who want to marry today (for the most part.) But there are still people around who are a product of an incredibly slanted field. If you are denied education when you are a child, it's hard to fix that 40 years later. The best you can do is make sure that today's children don't have the same thing done to them (which, for the most part, we've accomplished.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #45 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ We don't and it's really not that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #46 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo are you saying someone forces them to live in a hazardous area? Yes, income is a factor, however if the desire is strong enough I am quite sure they could find a less "hazardous" place to live. That is an amazing idea. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before. It must be wonderful to be so wh...err I mean right all the time Oh Boo Hoo. Once again, these are perfect examples of just complaining about a situation instead of doing something about it. Are you telling me that every low income person lives in a "hazardous" area? Bullshit. "Desire" alone won't change anything and AGAIN, it's not that simple. It's very easy to look at things from your own perspective; we all do so. What's difficult is looking at something from someone else's perspective and understanding it. Having worked with kids from "hazardous" areas in Atlanta, and LA the term refers to more than simply the quality of the drinking water. It actually refers to the quality of life. As far as "complaining" goes, you have to diagnose and discuss a problem before you can treat it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #47 January 26, 2005 To this day I think AIDS is something that might have gotten out of a lab, but not on purpose. Agreed. Something like that didn't naturally evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #48 January 27, 2005 A college advisor of mine was a long time surgeon at Grady hospital in Atlanta. He retired and became a professor at my college. I bumped into him at a restaurant with a friend of mine who was interviewing for a residency at Grady and we all sat and talked. He told us about a 30+ year old practice of experimenting on "only Black" homeless, chiefly men. The examples he gave us ranged from intentional infection with the intent of determining the effectiveness of new treatments to correctly diagnosing a health issue and providing a placebo while informing the patient otherwise. While I was working in LA I spent some time with kids from high crime rate areas (specifially and area known as "The Jungle." The scenes in Training Day in the projects were shot there). A few of them told me about trains that would stop and sit for days at a time full of alcohol and guns. As soon as most of the stuff found its way off the cars the train woudl disappear. I listened but didn't believe because the stories seemed sooooo far fetched. One of the last times I went back one of the kid's mothers showed me one of the alleged trains as it coasted to a stop. I sat and watched for hours and waited for something to happen. She could tell I didn't believe her so she walked over to one of the cars, opened the door, hopped inside and trotted back a few minutes later with three revolvers and a bottle of "wild irish rose." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #49 January 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Why are you bothered by BET? It's owned by Viacom which certaintly isn't comprised of Black people. Is JET magazine a threat to you? JET's main purpose is entertainment. Getting upset about JET is tantamount to getting upset about Sixteen Magazine. As far as the NAACP goes you have to take into consideration when it was founded and what the social climate was then. It continues to exist because some of the same concerns need to be addressed and it's easier to do that via a platform like the NAACP. "Smallville," "Jack and Bobby," "Gilmore Girls," "Blue Collar TV," "One Tree Hill," "What I Like About You..." all WB shows and there are no Black actors in leading roles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #50 January 27, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. 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Lindsey 0 #36 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. All I'm saying is that I understand why many black people feel that there is a conspiracy against them. I get the sense, from the tone of your posts, that you're interested in making some point, but not in discussing a very sensitive issue. I am not a fan of the NAACP or of Affirmative Action, and I couldn't care less whether BET is black. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. The same is true here, imho. That belief, though, is pragmatic. It does not temper my sensitivity toward people who have, whether you want to admit it or not, been conspired against historically.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #37 January 26, 2005 [reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. Case in point from another thread. Every NFL team is mandated to interview at least one black head coach candidate prior to hiring a head coach. Guess why? Because sharpton, and jackson bitched and moaned that there werent enough black head coaches in the league, and then Cochran went to work from a legal standpoint. This is bullshit, they are not asking for equal treatment, they are asking for special treatment. I get equally irritated when an asian person qualifies for a loan before I do simply because they are considered the minority. There just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #38 January 26, 2005 QuoteThere just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. The problem is that people tend to favor those who are lke themselves. You hang with people whom you like, and you are more comfortable working with them, and probably skydiving with them. If everyone in the office is white, well, whaddaya know -- there might be the popular guy who tells the occasional racist joke, or the occasional woman joke. It would be bad to make a new employee uncomfortable, so they hire someone who "fits in." Guess what -- they just discriminated against women and minorities. All because you're trying to protect them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #39 January 26, 2005 Quote*** You hang with people whom you like, Wendy W. Actually most of my friends are dicks, I am still trying to figure out why I hang out with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #40 January 26, 2005 QuoteWhy is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, television WAS white entertainment television. LIFE magazine WAS about white people. There was ONE black character in a positive starring role in a series that I remember -- Diahann Carroll in a show about a nurse. Women were housewives -- it was pretty stereotype-busting when Marlo Thomas did "That Girl" about a girl with a job and a boyfriend, and when Mary Tyler Moore had a show about a women WITHOUT a boyfriend but with a job. White people don't need advancement as a race in the US. They're already there. Individuals of all races need advancement. The two can be contradictory sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #41 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. What is "the black community?" There is not a single black community the best I can tell. If you think that the social progress that many black people have made over the past few decades is not a result of some strength from within, then I think you are just bound and determined to see the worst in people. There are many, many people who make it in this world because of the effort they put into life. There are others who don't. I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. When you find yourself with such a finger to point, I suggest looking in the mirror and finding a more productive place for all that energy. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #42 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them just because of their skin color. That is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #43 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them when compared to the different colored guy standing next to them. That is bullshit. One reason might be that most employers are white people, many of whom hold attitudes like yours. Hard to get ahead when your prospective employer holds a not-so-favorable view of you because of your skin color. I definately have it easier in my profession than many others around here do because of who I am.... because of my family history in this part of the state and because of my family's contribution to this profession over generations. My hill is not so steep. I try to do well and not embarass myself and my family, but I'll be taken care of because of who I am. There are many more white people in my situation than there are blacks. Then when you narrow the slice of the pie that you're examining to the segment of society who really controls the wealth.....it's REALLY hard for any ethnic minority to break into that circle.... Again, I think that if you truly WANT to understand why people feel like they do, then you can search and pretty easily find the answer through your own thought processes....as long as you're really trying to answer your question and not just looking for a reason to rant.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #44 January 26, 2005 >Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? Because some of them were denied education, jobs and even wives/husbands when they were younger based on their race. Remember, the Supreme Court ruling overturning laws that prohibited interracial marriages wasn't made until 1967, and up until 1963 it was illegal for blacks to go to 'white' public schools in Mississippi. Now we finally do have a level playing field, at least for students who want to start school today and couples who want to marry today (for the most part.) But there are still people around who are a product of an incredibly slanted field. If you are denied education when you are a child, it's hard to fix that 40 years later. The best you can do is make sure that today's children don't have the same thing done to them (which, for the most part, we've accomplished.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #45 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ We don't and it's really not that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #46 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo are you saying someone forces them to live in a hazardous area? Yes, income is a factor, however if the desire is strong enough I am quite sure they could find a less "hazardous" place to live. That is an amazing idea. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before. It must be wonderful to be so wh...err I mean right all the time Oh Boo Hoo. Once again, these are perfect examples of just complaining about a situation instead of doing something about it. Are you telling me that every low income person lives in a "hazardous" area? Bullshit. "Desire" alone won't change anything and AGAIN, it's not that simple. It's very easy to look at things from your own perspective; we all do so. What's difficult is looking at something from someone else's perspective and understanding it. Having worked with kids from "hazardous" areas in Atlanta, and LA the term refers to more than simply the quality of the drinking water. It actually refers to the quality of life. As far as "complaining" goes, you have to diagnose and discuss a problem before you can treat it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #47 January 26, 2005 To this day I think AIDS is something that might have gotten out of a lab, but not on purpose. Agreed. Something like that didn't naturally evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #37 January 26, 2005 [reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. Case in point from another thread. Every NFL team is mandated to interview at least one black head coach candidate prior to hiring a head coach. Guess why? Because sharpton, and jackson bitched and moaned that there werent enough black head coaches in the league, and then Cochran went to work from a legal standpoint. This is bullshit, they are not asking for equal treatment, they are asking for special treatment. I get equally irritated when an asian person qualifies for a loan before I do simply because they are considered the minority. There just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #38 January 26, 2005 QuoteThere just seems to be way to much SPECIAL treatment taking place amongst the races and this in itself creates racial separation. The problem is that people tend to favor those who are lke themselves. You hang with people whom you like, and you are more comfortable working with them, and probably skydiving with them. If everyone in the office is white, well, whaddaya know -- there might be the popular guy who tells the occasional racist joke, or the occasional woman joke. It would be bad to make a new employee uncomfortable, so they hire someone who "fits in." Guess what -- they just discriminated against women and minorities. All because you're trying to protect them. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #39 January 26, 2005 Quote*** You hang with people whom you like, Wendy W. Actually most of my friends are dicks, I am still trying to figure out why I hang out with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #40 January 26, 2005 QuoteWhy is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? When I was a kid in the 60's and 70's, television WAS white entertainment television. LIFE magazine WAS about white people. There was ONE black character in a positive starring role in a series that I remember -- Diahann Carroll in a show about a nurse. Women were housewives -- it was pretty stereotype-busting when Marlo Thomas did "That Girl" about a girl with a job and a boyfriend, and when Mary Tyler Moore had a show about a women WITHOUT a boyfriend but with a job. White people don't need advancement as a race in the US. They're already there. Individuals of all races need advancement. The two can be contradictory sometimes, and that's unfortunate. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #41 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. What is "the black community?" There is not a single black community the best I can tell. If you think that the social progress that many black people have made over the past few decades is not a result of some strength from within, then I think you are just bound and determined to see the worst in people. There are many, many people who make it in this world because of the effort they put into life. There are others who don't. I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. When you find yourself with such a finger to point, I suggest looking in the mirror and finding a more productive place for all that energy. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #42 January 26, 2005 Quote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them just because of their skin color. That is bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #43 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuote[reply I think that, overall, minority people and especially blacks, have a steeper hill to climb than those of us who come from a more privileged lineage. linz Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? How is their struggle any different from the daily struggles I have to endure? How is their opportunity any more limited than mine? This is what I have a problem with, people thinking that life is harder for them when compared to the different colored guy standing next to them. That is bullshit. One reason might be that most employers are white people, many of whom hold attitudes like yours. Hard to get ahead when your prospective employer holds a not-so-favorable view of you because of your skin color. I definately have it easier in my profession than many others around here do because of who I am.... because of my family history in this part of the state and because of my family's contribution to this profession over generations. My hill is not so steep. I try to do well and not embarass myself and my family, but I'll be taken care of because of who I am. There are many more white people in my situation than there are blacks. Then when you narrow the slice of the pie that you're examining to the segment of society who really controls the wealth.....it's REALLY hard for any ethnic minority to break into that circle.... Again, I think that if you truly WANT to understand why people feel like they do, then you can search and pretty easily find the answer through your own thought processes....as long as you're really trying to answer your question and not just looking for a reason to rant.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #44 January 26, 2005 >Why do black people have a steeper hill to climb today? Because some of them were denied education, jobs and even wives/husbands when they were younger based on their race. Remember, the Supreme Court ruling overturning laws that prohibited interracial marriages wasn't made until 1967, and up until 1963 it was illegal for blacks to go to 'white' public schools in Mississippi. Now we finally do have a level playing field, at least for students who want to start school today and couples who want to marry today (for the most part.) But there are still people around who are a product of an incredibly slanted field. If you are denied education when you are a child, it's hard to fix that 40 years later. The best you can do is make sure that today's children don't have the same thing done to them (which, for the most part, we've accomplished.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #45 January 26, 2005 QuoteI bet all other races that have been effected by AIDS will be happy to know that black people were the intended target of this so called man made disease. Why the hell do black people always think it is a freakin conspiracy against them???? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6867177/ We don't and it's really not that simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #46 January 26, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo are you saying someone forces them to live in a hazardous area? Yes, income is a factor, however if the desire is strong enough I am quite sure they could find a less "hazardous" place to live. That is an amazing idea. I wonder why no one ever thought of it before. It must be wonderful to be so wh...err I mean right all the time Oh Boo Hoo. Once again, these are perfect examples of just complaining about a situation instead of doing something about it. Are you telling me that every low income person lives in a "hazardous" area? Bullshit. "Desire" alone won't change anything and AGAIN, it's not that simple. It's very easy to look at things from your own perspective; we all do so. What's difficult is looking at something from someone else's perspective and understanding it. Having worked with kids from "hazardous" areas in Atlanta, and LA the term refers to more than simply the quality of the drinking water. It actually refers to the quality of life. As far as "complaining" goes, you have to diagnose and discuss a problem before you can treat it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #47 January 26, 2005 To this day I think AIDS is something that might have gotten out of a lab, but not on purpose. Agreed. Something like that didn't naturally evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #48 January 27, 2005 A college advisor of mine was a long time surgeon at Grady hospital in Atlanta. He retired and became a professor at my college. I bumped into him at a restaurant with a friend of mine who was interviewing for a residency at Grady and we all sat and talked. He told us about a 30+ year old practice of experimenting on "only Black" homeless, chiefly men. The examples he gave us ranged from intentional infection with the intent of determining the effectiveness of new treatments to correctly diagnosing a health issue and providing a placebo while informing the patient otherwise. While I was working in LA I spent some time with kids from high crime rate areas (specifially and area known as "The Jungle." The scenes in Training Day in the projects were shot there). A few of them told me about trains that would stop and sit for days at a time full of alcohol and guns. As soon as most of the stuff found its way off the cars the train woudl disappear. I listened but didn't believe because the stories seemed sooooo far fetched. One of the last times I went back one of the kid's mothers showed me one of the alleged trains as it coasted to a stop. I sat and watched for hours and waited for something to happen. She could tell I didn't believe her so she walked over to one of the cars, opened the door, hopped inside and trotted back a few minutes later with three revolvers and a bottle of "wild irish rose." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #49 January 27, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm saying that the problem that began many, many years ago is still with us. . The black community creates a lot of the problems for themselves. Why is there BET? Why is there JET magazine? Why does the NAACP exist? Why does the WB only play programs with Black actors? They create a segregated environment for themselves. What happened years ago cannot be changed and it is about time that it is left in the past. As long as the black community is living in the past and allowing jackasses like sharpton and jackson to represent them then they will not be able to move forward. Black people make skin color an issue, not white people. Why are you bothered by BET? It's owned by Viacom which certaintly isn't comprised of Black people. Is JET magazine a threat to you? JET's main purpose is entertainment. Getting upset about JET is tantamount to getting upset about Sixteen Magazine. As far as the NAACP goes you have to take into consideration when it was founded and what the social climate was then. It continues to exist because some of the same concerns need to be addressed and it's easier to do that via a platform like the NAACP. "Smallville," "Jack and Bobby," "Gilmore Girls," "Blue Collar TV," "One Tree Hill," "What I Like About You..." all WB shows and there are no Black actors in leading roles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #50 January 27, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. It's NOT just skin color. There's a history that accompanies being Black in the US. This is not a simple discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
eflynn 0 #50 January 27, 2005 Quote[reply. I DO believe that people have to pretty much lift themselves up by their bootstraps. . I agree. My point is that the black community does not lift themselves up by their bootstraps. They want and demand special treatment just because of their skin color. It's NOT just skin color. There's a history that accompanies being Black in the US. This is not a simple discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
