Smokers Beware

[kelpdiver 2]

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Read it again:

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From the article "We also provide employees with a $35 monthly incentive to use a fitness facility, another $65 for
meeting modest fitness goals. We created and use walking trails on our campus. "

YOU read it again. I said that $2/day is not a reward that will affect a change in behavior.

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And to give them parking in a remote lot so they can put those "walking trails" to use.

So, me a guy that works out must be punished by walking a long way so some fat body can walk also?

I legally can't have a "fat" lot. So you would punish me for no reason.

A guy that works out a lot doesn't fear a little walking, Ron. And I didn't suggest that everyone have to use it, just those whose yearly goals entail an improvement in health.

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How do you test someone for smoking? Blood test for nicotine? Have them cough into a hankie? And how often do you have to test? Drug testing became pretty common in the larger contracting agencies like IBM, but it did absolutely nothing to stop pothead techies from getting work. Apparently the piss tests are pretty easy to circumvent.

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[boudy 0]

>>How do you test someone for smoking? Blood test for nicotine? Have them cough into a hankie? And how often do you have to test? <<

From the company website I linked to earlier:

"DRUG, ALCOHOL & TOBACCO FREE WORKPLACE Page 4 of 6
7.0 RANDOM TOBACCO/SMOKE TESTING
7.1 During 2004, all non-smoking employees will participate in an unannounced random draw for tobacco testing purposes. Beginning in 2005, all employees will participate in unannounced random draws for tobacco testing purposes. Selected employees will be required to submit a breath sample using a MicroCo-Carbon Monoxide Monitor for analysis.

7.2 Employees testing above the cut-off level of 6 parts per million for carbon monoxide will be given the option to submit a split urine sample for further testing. Analysis of this primary sample will be performed by an outside laboratory using Gas Chromatography at WEYCO, INC. expense. With a positive test result, the employee has the option to have the laboratory analyze the split sample at their own expense.

7.3 A positive test result will subject the employee to disciplinary action defined in section 4.0 of this policy."

[Ron 10]

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YOU read it again. I said that $2/day is not a reward that will affect a change in behavior.

Really? I know folks that could really use a 65 dollar bonus. Even if it is just to take their wife out to a nice dinner.

Hell if my company was willing to give me free money, I'd do it (And do).

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A guy that works out a lot doesn't fear a little walking, Ron. And I didn't suggest that everyone have to use it, just those whose yearly goals entail an improvement in health

Well for starters, I personally do park about as far from my door as I can. I also take the stairs not the elevator...

But there are laws in place that don't let you treat fat people different. So I could not say that if you have a BMI greater than "X" you have to park in the far lot and take the stairs. Thats illegal. So I would have to make it so EVERYONE had to walk. Thats just stupid.

Better to provide them the ability....The walking trails, and the incentive Workout discounts and incentives.

35 x 12= 420 a year.
65 x 12= 780 a year.
1200 a year they can "Make".
Thats 6% of a 20 grand a year job.
Thats 4% of a 30 grand a year job.
Thats 3% of a 40 grand a year job.

I had an employee come to me today over 1200 he thinks the company will give him if he jumps through some hoops....We will, and he is. Its only 1200.00, but he could really use that money.

If my compnay offered the same program, people would take them up on it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[kelpdiver 2]

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35 x 12= 420 a year.
65 x 12= 780 a year.
1200 a year they can "Make".

The gym subsidy isn't money in pocket unless the employee would have spent that 35$ anyway. I prefer to train at home, and outdoors myself.

And I don't expect that 65 is a continuous bonus with no end in sight, but either could be true.

[Ron 10]

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The gym subsidy isn't money in pocket unless the employee would have spent that 35$ anyway. I prefer to train at home, and outdoors myself.

Many "perks" are considered part of a package. Use of a company car, jet, gym memberships, tickets to sporting events...Ect

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And I don't expect that 65 is a continuous bonus with no end in sight, but either could be true

True, it could be a one time thing, or not.

But even a one time payout is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[rehmwa 2]

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But even a one time payout is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

Unless you have an infected eye and need it lanced because it's oozing yellow stuff and if you don't lance it it could spread to the other eye. Then both eyes would be oozing yellow stuff and likely your nose would start oozing whitish-red stuff and then if your sinuses get infected, your head would start hurting REAL bad from the pressure and your eardrums would pop and blood and pus would come out your ears. Then small children would point at your hideous disfigurement and scream in fear and back away and then you'd be blind and gross and alone......

That would really stink.

I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kelpdiver 2]

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True, it could be a one time thing, or not.

But even a one time payout is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

True enough. No one will turn it down. I just suspect those people would have made the health improvement anyway.

I wonder if their management really added up the costs of random drug testing and the replacement costs for those 4 employees. Easily into 6 figures for very polarized publicity.

Seems like it would be fun to cause a lot of false positives- how hard is it to trigger 6ppm on the CO test?

[Nightingale 0]

it says "incentive to use a fitness center". Many community centers/homeowners associations provide fitness centers free to their community. The WEYCO press release doesn't say whether home fitness centers or community ones would qualify for their incentive pay, but they might.

[kelpdiver 2]

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it says "incentive to use a fitness center". Many community centers/homeowners associations provide fitness centers free to their community. The WEYCO press release doesn't say whether home fitness centers or community ones would qualify for their incentive pay, but they might.

I'm translating it as "24 hr fitness membership," but it could be a lot of things.

[Nightingale 0]

even so, I pay way less than $35 a month for my 24 hour fitness membership. dunno what kind of payment plan anybody else is on, tho.

[vid666 0]

Hey, when I get cancer from sucking second hand smoke in places of public use, will the smokers unite to pay for my treatment ?

I was at the motorcycle show this weekend, clear HUGE signs "NO SMOKING INSIDE" - a guy is standing in the middle sucking on a cig
me : Hey man, there's no smoking inside, signs all over the place
him : It's fine ( makes a grin, another puff )
me : Bro, neither me nor my wife want to be inhaling this shit
him : whatever

yeah, I have seen this plenty, smokers do unite. I don't want to generalize but FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION smokers tend to be inconsiderate and always blame it on being discriminated. Hey, next time my breath smells like ass, don't turn your head when I am talking to you...