Racism and sexism are alive and well in the US

[Lindsey 0]

hrmmmm..... point taken, I just want the black population
to become associated and identified as Americans,
so that the term "african-american" can have a real
meaning, relating to and as a positive cultural reference as oppose to a era of egressing freedom.
I want us to have a hand in decisions made for the
country. I want black input on market trade, territory,
and finance prospection. Not for curing the needs of black
people in america though, but for the purpose of all
americans. There are not enough black people with
political power to give insight on %15 of the nations
population.

I completely agree. There is a definate unbalance in the economic and power structure of our country. Women feel this lack of balance too....black women more than white. In solving the problem, though, I don't know that a different unfair situation (Affirmative Action, in my mind) balances the already unfair situation. I don't know that such a system is what's going to solve the problem. When I look at the progress that has been made over the past decades, I am hopeful that with time and perseverance the system will continue to right itself. I recognize that the average woman will have to work harder than the average man to achieve the same status. That's not fair, but I'm willing to work hard to achieve that. I believe that it will be minorities proving themselves over time that will correct the situation....way before minorities accepting hand-outs will. I think that programs like AA will likely perpetuate the problem that it's trying to solve.

Peace~
linz

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But if you had gotten the position it would have contributed
to the segregation of today, by adding another white
member to a society that is pre-dominatly white, and
keeping homeboy in a society that is in transition

UH, 60 grand a year is more than a homeboy on the block will make.

Whats wrong with the best qualified canidate getting the bestter job?

Like I said remove the color block on applications.

When slaves were forbidden to read and write, the
black population took a serious hit for educational
progression. Parents could not teach their children
anything because they didn't know anything. Labor
was the only way to establish income. With this in
mind, big busniess is conforming to "broaden their
horizons", they split up the competitive field. Your
competing with white people on your level, while I would
be competing with black people on our level. So really
the best qualified person is getting the job. I think
I get what your saying... A firm exists of 6 white people,
they put out a ad for 10 positions... All the applicants
that are overqualified for the position are white.. while
the qualified ones are black or of some other descent.
You should hire all the white guys because their knowledge
and experiene makes for superior product...
hrmmm... I have to think about this one.

"'Someday is not a day in my week'"

[Ron 10]

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When slaves were forbidden to read and write, the
black population took a serious hit for educational
progression. Parents could not teach their children
anything because they didn't know anything. Labor
was the only way to establish income.

While it was illegal for black to learn to read and write...That does not mean that whites were learning. In the 1800's few few knew how to read and write. And yes those that did, were the well off.

But poor blacks AND poor whites didn't know. It was wrong to not allow blacks to learn...IT was also over a hundred years ago.

And while it was wrong, today all students have the same basic rights to education. And they have had that right since the 60's. I agree that everyone should be given an equal start. I say give them all an equal base and then the ones that have the talent, or the dedication to study like hell will achieve more...And good for them.

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All the applicants
that are overqualified for the position are white.. while
the qualified ones are black or of some other descent.
You should hire all the white guys because their knowledge
and experiene makes for superior product...

Depends on the product. If my company was in advertising it would be in my best interest to have a diverse field of talented employees. I might hire an Asian woman since I might need to prevent my company from designing ads that only appeal to white males. However if my company was a pure engineering company I would try to hire the best choice...And race/back ground would not matter.

A wise business person would try to have a balance and a diverse employee base.

However, for the government to mandate it removes my right to balance the company as I see fit.

It also means that I would have to reject good qualified people I may want since they don't fill my quotas.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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... You're competing with white people on your level, while I would be competing with black people on our level....

This is a very distressing comment. {separate but equal huh?} I don't believe that inherent capability is governed by race. You are out by a couple generations on this assumption.

Now how do you justified that against Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Eastern Euro descent, middle eastern descent, MIXED heritage? How do you apply that for pro atheletes, technical, business types, labor?

It's really nuts. The 'best person' for the job is a simple concept and redefining that for political agenda is nuts. And we already have laws in place for discrimination without the need for AA discrimination. Those laws should be enforced, not over-complexified.

I'd still like to see your thoughts on us outgrowing the need for AA from an earlier post of mine - I think I'm right on from my perspective and those I work with (of all backgrounds - technical company). I think you are using your parent's perspectives and trying to apply it to your own generation. It was right before a bunch of 2-way bickering occurred.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[gravityizsexy 0]

Hrmmm.... perhaps, I guess there is only one way
to find out, and removing AA would either be a great
start for a new era and a true testament to humanity
or it could ruin african-americans indefinitly. I would
like to conjure up a model and subject it to some tests.
I would also like the time to be able to do the research
to get something undeniably accurate. *sigh* Gonna
goggle this to see if somebody has already done it.

Just asking out of curiosity:
Do you think whites and blacks are in competition with
each other, and whites are upset because blacks are
"cheating", and blacks are upset because whites are
winning??? I don't know what the competition is for
or how points are awarded, but does it feel like
competition? Or does it feel more like we all represent
the same entity and are working together to get 1st
place? or is that how it should be? or have we been
competing with each other and now is the time
to unify to take the gold? I don't even know if I should
be posting this...

btw - I'm fuck'n nuts... I know this because I don't
even know what I just wrote... it made sense
when I wrote it though

"'Someday is not a day in my week'"

[Lindsey 0]

and removing AA would either be a great
start for a new era and a true testament to humanity
or it could ruin african-americans indefinitly.

and I bet that the result would depend on the degree to which African Americans embraced the challenge and chose to excel. There would definately be some people who didn't want to give up their stronghold, but over time I think that those people would (and will) fall to the wayside as highly qualified minorities show their stuff....

linz

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A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail