gravityizsexy 0 #101 January 28, 2005 Quote Isn't that kind of demeaning to tell someone they can't get by without the government giving them a leg up? I shouldn't be given a job just because I'm white, and you shouldn't be given a job just because you're black. Why were race-based-admissions considered bad racism when whites were benefiting, but race-based-admissions are good and not racism when blacks are benefiting? Really, why should someone suffer or benefit solely because of their race? Isn't that what we're supposed to be fighting AGAINST ?!? It would be demeaning if it weren't true. The economical balance of nature has the power scale tipped in your favor. And, again.. with math, you will realize that when balancing that scale for equality things will change. Whites will be forced into ghettos, minorities will be forced into high-society and all the specifics in between. And, that all ties in with you not being able to secure a job because of racial quotas. I don't know what to say to you... it sucks, I know. It's blatent racism which is what we're fighting against. But it will lead down the road to equality which is what we are fighting for. And, historically or systematically I should say, If the white supremcists in high up places we're do decide to wipe out the black-american race, they could do so. with ease I might add. But being that black-americans are a HUGE consumer base in which the american economy relies on, it would be economical suicide and then the US would be taken over by rogue or soverign nations or even worse.... THE FRENCH!!!! So you see... The pieces are in place, and we have no choice except to co-exist. The only question that remains is when will racial bickering stop so that we may move onto the bickering of social classifications. This is all theory of course... but do you see where I'm getting? EDITED: I'm just joking... I love the french... sometimes. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #102 January 28, 2005 QuoteMost of us who are white are already benefitting because of our race. You say that...but I don't buy it. QuoteSales clerks don't keep a particularly sharp eye on us when we walk into stores, particularly with expensive merchandise. BS. It depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. I can walk into a store looking like a ragamuffin and I will be looked at with a sharp eye. A minority can walk into a store dressed like a professional and never draw a second look. I had a friend at nationals in Eloy. White guy with long hair and tatoos. He was driving a rental car near Mexico....He got pulled over...Why? He fit a profile. Notice he was white. QuoteDriving an expensive car, and having a beeper, isn't seen as an indication that you're a drug dealer. Uh, depends again on what, how and where? Middle of the night, bad area of town...ANYONE in a nice car is looked at as a drug dealer. Middle of the day in a business complex no one would bat an eye. QuoteYou probably already look like the guy who's trying to hire you, or like his well-groomed kid would look Maybe, but case in point, my Bosses boss and his boss, are black. A guy I have a resume in with is black. I don't look like them at all. (They are fat) QuoteIf a friend has a baby out of wedlock, it's an unfortunate accident, and not a sign that yet again, your people don't know how to control themselves. Again...BS. My Sister had a baby out of wedlock...My first words to her were "Never hear of a Condom?" My Ex-Wife just had a kid and is not going to marry the guy....Amazingly stupid move. QuoteThese are all subtle. But they add up. Again I don't agree...but then again you do live in TX"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #103 January 28, 2005 QuoteQuoteMost of us who are white are already benefitting because of our race. You say that...but I don't buy it. QuoteSales clerks don't keep a particularly sharp eye on us when we walk into stores, particularly with expensive merchandise. BS. It depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. I can walk into a store looking like a ragamuffin and I will be looked at with a sharp eye. A minority can walk into a store dressed like a professional and never draw a second look. I had a friend at nationals in Eloy. White guy with long hair and tatoos. He was driving a rental car near Mexico....He got pulled over...Why? He fit a profile. Notice he was white. QuoteDriving an expensive car, and having a beeper, isn't seen as an indication that you're a drug dealer. Uh, depends again on what, how and where? Middle of the night, bad area of town...ANYONE in a nice car is looked at as a drug dealer. Middle of the day in a business complex no one would bat an eye. QuoteYou probably already look like the guy who's trying to hire you, or like his well-groomed kid would look Maybe, but case in point, my Bosses boss and his boss, are black. A guy I have a resume in with is black. I don't look like them at all. (They are fat) QuoteIf a friend has a baby out of wedlock, it's an unfortunate accident, and not a sign that yet again, your people don't know how to control themselves. Again...BS. My Sister had a baby out of wedlock...My first words to her were "Never hear of a Condom?" My Ex-Wife just had a kid and is not going to marry the guy....Amazingly stupid move. QuoteThese are all subtle. But they add up. Again I don't agree...but then again you do live in TX Me too, I do not live in TX. I just would like to express, that WMW999 is fully right. Point for point. Over here in Europe - yes, Europe - I noticed same. That's no BS at all. That's still reality. Christel dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #104 January 28, 2005 QuoteIt depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. I can walk into a store looking like a ragamuffin and I will be looked at with a sharp eye. A minority can walk into a store dressed like a professional and never draw a second look. I agree with this, at least in the areas I have lived the most (So.Cal and Austin,TX) My white male friends who have long hair and tattoos definitely have more of a problem being "profiled" than any of my more conservative-looking non-white friends. And I had an interesting experience with the appearance thing myself... I usually look pretty "normal" and don't get much attention from salesclerks or anything, and had never even thought about it... But one Halloween I temporarily dyed my hair a dark puplish/black that made me look like a goth or something... And for the two weeks that it was black, every time I went in a store it seemed like the clerks were (noticeably) keeping an eye on me. Not sure if they really were, but it sure seemed like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #105 January 29, 2005 Quote QuoteQuote Isn't that kind of demeaning to tell someone they can't get by without the government giving them a leg up? I shouldn't be given a job just because I'm white, and you shouldn't be given a job just because you're black. Why were race-based-admissions considered bad racism when whites were benefiting, but race-based-admissions are good and not racism when blacks are benefiting? Really, why should someone suffer or benefit solely because of their race? Isn't that what we're supposed to be fighting AGAINST ?!? It would be demeaning if it weren't true. Bullshit. How DARE you insult so many people who have worked so hard to get where they are with such a racist, bigoted comment? Quote The economical balance of nature has the power scale tipped in your favor. By using 'your' in such a context you indicate that you identify yourself with your race and judge others by theirs. Not surprising for an affirmative action supporter. Quote And, again.. with math, you will realize that when balancing that scale for equality things will change. Equality, eh? RACIAL equality? Odd concept to me - I don't care what color anyone is, which is why I don't support programs that discriminate on the basis of race, including Affirmative Action. Quote Whites will be forced into ghettos, minorities will be forced into high-society and all the specifics in between. Why do you care what color anyone in any ghetto or member of high-society actually is? If you'd go to a few ghettos and look at high society, you'd find them full of whites and blacks and hispanics and asians and mestizos. Nobody was 'forced' into either. They are there by luck of birth - some of them - and most of them because of choices they have made in life. Quote And, that all ties in with you not being able to secure a job because of racial quotas. I don't know what to say to you... it sucks, I know. It's blatent racism which is what we're fighting against. But it will lead down the road to equality which is what we are fighting for. Ahhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. Quote And, historically or systematically I should say, If the white supremcists in high up places we're do decide to wipe out the black-american race, they could do so. with ease I might add. But being that black-americans are a HUGE consumer base in which the american economy relies on, it would be economical suicide and then the US would be taken over by rogue or soverign nations or even worse.... THE FRENCH!!!! To which white supremacists do you refer here? Quote So you see... The pieces are in place, and we have no choice except to co-exist. The only question that remains is when will racial bickering stop so that we may move onto the bickering of social classifications. What pieces? In place for what? Only those who care what color someone else is could use the word co-exist in such a context. Quote This is all theory of course... but do you see where I'm getting? Theory of what? And no, I don't know what point you are trying to make. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #106 January 29, 2005 Quote Bullshit. How DARE you insult so many people who have worked so hard to get where they are with such a racist, bigoted comment? If people were merited by their "hard work" we wouldn't be having this discussion... Quote By using 'your' in such a context you indicate that you identify yourself with your race and judge others by theirs. Not surprising for an affirmative action supporter. Oh, I'm sorry... I must be crazy not to see the HUGE freakin' difference between whites and blacks. Quote Equality, eh? RACIAL equality? Odd concept to me - Evidentally... QuoteNobody was 'forced' into either. They are there by luck of birth - some of them - and most of them because of choices they have made in life. Your right.... we all were born with plots of land. Quote Ahhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. I support it for obvious reasons... most of which I have stated throughout the thread. Quote To which white supremacists do you refer here? Unfortunatley, they cannot be identified which is why I intentionally made for the statement to be as vague as possible Quote What pieces? In place for what? Only those who care what color someone else is could use the word co-exist in such a context. Pieces like Affirmitive Action, pieces like Women's rights, pieces like Fraternities, Pieces like the NRA, pieces that change AMERICAN LAW!... or do you not vote??? Quote Theory of what? And no, I don't know what point you are trying to make. My point Vinny, is that there only seems to ONE solution to equality, and the steps to that era have already been put in place, hence AA. And yes, I agree... as I have so many times before here, it's blatent discrimination. Unless you or anyone else has any other ideas to solve this problem, then this is the way it will be. But, if your implying that somehow that I am a racist, then you don't know how wrong you are. Not that I feel that I am obligated to indulge you, but I'll tell you anyway, my girlfriend of 4 years is caucasian.. We are VERY much in love, and I would not deny her any part of myself, my family, my culture, or what I have to offer her because she has a different skin color nor would she. My best friend is caucasian, and I look after him just the same as anybody else I care about as he does for me. So don't get confused.... I am in no way racist, the system however is... rightfully so in my opinion. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #107 January 29, 2005 Judge people by their race all you like. Support programs that judge people by their race to your heart's content. Believe in shadow organizations consisting of white supremacists that you can neither name nor expose, but inexplicably wield great power over all. Go right ahead. Perhaps they're hiding behind the Lochness Monster with Puff the Magic Dragon smoking a joint and making plans to infest Africa with tailor made viruses that turn goat's piss into coconut milk. Identify yourself by your race and not your character for as long as you like. Do all of the above and more. It changes not this fact: Racial discrimination is disgusting and wrong. Just because you care about what race you and others are doesn't mean that anyone else does. Nor does it mean that we should support racial discrimination. Yes, I'm white. Furthermore, I don't owe anyone JACK SHIT because of it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #108 January 29, 2005 Quote I am in no way racist, the system however is... rightfully so in my opinion. So let's get this straight. You aren't a racist, but the system (AA) is, and you support the system. So, you support a system that is racist, but you aren't a racist, right? Impossible. Fact: if you support a system that is racist, then you've defined yourself as a racist. Dance around in denial all you'd like, but according to you, you are a racist. Why not just admit it and move on? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #109 January 29, 2005 because --> (I) <-- do not discriminate... so there is nothing to admit... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #110 January 29, 2005 QuoteIf people were merited by their "hard work" we wouldn't be having this discussion... But that's exactly what you want to stop. You don't want people being judged by the quality of their work. You want affirmative action, which judges people solely on their race. That is racism. QuoteOh, I'm sorry... I must be crazy not to see the HUGE freakin' difference between whites and blacks. Really? Should I tell you that I dream of a day where people are judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? QuoteQuoteAhhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. I support it for obvious reasons... most of which I have stated throughout the thread. You support racism. Doesn't that make you a racist?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #111 January 29, 2005 QuoteJudge people by their race all you like. Support programs that judge people by their race to your heart's content. Believe in shadow organizations consisting of white supremacists that you can neither name nor expose, but inexplicably wield great power over all. Go right ahead. Perhaps they're hiding behind the Lochness Monster with Puff the Magic Dragon smoking a joint and making plans to infest Africa with tailor made viruses that turn goat's piss into coconut milk. Identify yourself by your race and not your character for as long as you like. Do all of the above and more. It changes not this fact: Racial discrimination is disgusting and wrong. Just because you care about what race you and others are doesn't mean that anyone else does. Nor does it mean that we should support racial discrimination. Yes, I'm white. Furthermore, I don't owe anyone JACK SHIT because of it. So now we're at the point were YOU tell ME how I feel or what I think..., thanks for that, because apparently I can't think for myself. And where do you get this "shadow organizations comprised of white supremicist" you brought up the first instance of that. I said nothing even remotely relative. Futhermore, I'm not here advocating Affirmitive Action, I am simply agree'ing with the topic that Racism and Sexism are alive and well, and if it's not one side.. it's the other. It's the transfer of powers that will ultimately resolve the issue. And that's all AA is doing. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #112 January 29, 2005 Quotebecause --> (I) <-- do not discriminate... so there is nothing to admit... This is a laugh riot. You cannot support racism and not be a racist. Period. Maybe you're the "good kind of racist". Or maybe you're a "racist with a cause". Whatever, but you, according to you, are a racist. Plain and simple. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #113 January 29, 2005 Quote Quote But that's exactly what you want to stop. You don't want people being judged by the quality of their work. You want affirmative action, which judges people solely on their race. That is racism. Yes, Yes I do want people judged by their hard work. But if that were to happen TODAY, we'd just be going backwards in time and the minorities would become even smaller and smaller. Quote Really? Should I tell you that I dream of a day where people are judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? And that day is still yet to come. AA does nothing but attest to this. It is only when equality is annunciated that AA will no longer be necessary. If african-americans becomes the majority in america and AA still exists... THEN!!!!!! will you have something to protest about. QuoteAhhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. Quote You support racism. Doesn't that make you a racist? I didn't mean for racial discrimination... I thought it was for Affirmitive Action.. I DO NOT support ...... OK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. I am for equality, and see'ing as how racial discrimination seems to be the only way to reach equality, I guess .............. DAMNIT!!! I PERSONALLY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE. Nor have I ever, but I am willing to support anything that would achieve equality. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #114 January 29, 2005 QuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #115 January 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. I am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #116 January 29, 2005 QuoteI am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day sir... Ok, but just to let you know -- I understand and support the need for AA in the US, and have stated so before in these forums. You and I probably only differ in opinion on when it should go away. Have a nice weekend. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #117 January 29, 2005 BZZZT! WRONG! Quote So now we're at the point were YOU tell ME how I feel or what I think..., WRONG! You've stated what you think repeatedly in this thread. Quote thanks for that, because apparently I can't think for myself. Never inferred such. Think that if it makes you feel better. Quote And where do you get this "shadow organizations comprised of white supremicist" you brought up the first instance of that. I said nothing even remotely relative. Odd that you stated that white-supremacists in power could wipe out the black-race and do so easily then when challenged as to which supremacists claimed they could not be named then. Quite odd. Humorous in fact. Quote Futhermore, I'm not here advocating Affirmitive Action, EXTREMELY odd that you've stated your support for it in previous posts in this thread. Quote I am simply agree'ing with the topic that Racism and Sexism are alive and well, and if it's not one side.. it's the other. Racism and sexism ARE alive and well but do not pervade life in America today - most of it at any rate. As long as bigots such as Al Sharpton, Julian Bond, and Jesse Jackson continue to hold sway with any segment of society racism will continue to be alive and well. The livelihoods of the aforementioned are highly dependent on this. Quote It's the transfer of powers that will ultimately resolve the issue. Transfer of power? What power? What transfer? Who are the participants in this transfer? Quote And that's all AA is doing. AA is transferring power? What? If so that's certainly not all it's doing. It's denigrating the achievements of hard working minorities who achieve what they have without help. It's racial discrimination on the part of institutions, which is sickening. Think whatever makes you feel better. Racial discrimination is still wrong, disgusting, and has absolutely no place in American society today. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #118 January 29, 2005 AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. And that is not something to laugh about... why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. So my question to you is.... what can we, what can you.. do about this? "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #119 January 29, 2005 People of all races suffer from "White Guilt". It's ironic reading this series of posts though - with you quoting the classic white guilt arguments of the last generation - particularly as a very young man. The best way to achieve 'color blindness' is to be color blind (even trying and failing at it is better than not trying at all). The next generation will notice and do better (for each race). My parents had a hard time with my girlfriend in college and let me know about it (she was American, but also asian descent). If my daughter comes home with a minority (whatever) boyfriend someday, I'll notice the difference and then get over it and judge the boy by his character - but I'll notice the difference at first and have to make the choice for it not to matter (even though my three best friends in my 20's were from 3 different races FWIW). Hopefully, my daughter won't even notice something cosmetic as skin color when it comes to the choices her children make. As a self centered personality, I'm basing today on my position and that my age group is coming into power in business and government. And AA makes it HARDER, not easier, to make the conscious decision to take people by their actions. In otherwords, AA was necessary for that 50-80 year old generation - but they are dying off and moving out of power. But now, this 30 -50 year old generation wants to do the right thing and AA is a barrier to taking that step - it causes more resentment than help (for all the races). AA is not color blind - that's all. And most of us truly want to make decisions as if we are color blind. We're teaching our children the wrong priorities by allowing a finished concept to not retire. Think about how different your attitudes are towards race when compare to your parents and grandparents you'll see what I mean. You other guys - it would be easier to make your points to a smart guy like GravSsxy if the writing wasn't so impassioned - the arguments are less clear than the resentment that AA naturally breeds. 2 cents - for me it's about trying to teach my kid the right things and seeing so many people, black and white and ...., perpetuating such old crap that we should have already grown out of. background - My folks never owned a plot of land. Only one branch of my ancestors traces back to revolutionary times, the other 3 came over in the early 1900's. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #120 January 30, 2005 Quote AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. Tranferring governing power? What power? From whom? To whom? Quote It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. AA formed by white supremacists? What? Heir-born positions? What heir-born positions? Who? What positions? Quote why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? To quote the greatest president of the 20th century, there you go again. Identifying yourself by your race. Disgusting. THERE IS NO CITIZEN IN THE USA BEING GOVERNED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Perhaps not the candidate for which he/she voted, but a representative nonetheless exists for every citizen in this nation at both the state and federal level. DEAL WITH IT. Quote And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Bullshit. How DARE you insult my friends with such asinine bigotry? Quote Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. Your words, not mine. Horrid attempt at justifying your support of racial discrimination and asinine personal attack on my minority friends and coworkers. Minorities have had the right to vote and a free education since before you were born. DEAL WITH IT. Quote The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Why the hell do you think you DESERVE a leg up on anyone else? Because of your color? No way. Yeah, you were born black. And nobody owes you ANYTHING because of it. Quote Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. Ahhhh so you believe in the racial superiority of one race over another. Clicky Quote and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. Absolutely. Quote So my question to you is....what can we, what can you.. do about this? Do about what? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #121 January 30, 2005 Quote Racism and sexism are alive and well in the US Fuck you, shovenist honky cracker! Ok, seriously, I've skipped this entire thread since all there was to read were a lot of SC cliche arguements and I thought this thread needed a laugh.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #122 January 30, 2005 First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. How do you think society reached that point? Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck... I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #123 January 30, 2005 Quote First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. If you find mere questions that you cannot answer offensive then perhaps politics is not the topic for you. Note that you answered none of my questions - I think the reason obvious. Quote Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Quite easily. By not caring what color anyone is. You should try it sometime. Quote Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Ahhhh...how cute. I think every day. Quite often in fact. State that I don't all you like if it makes you feel better. Quote Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. I don't care what race of person participates in anything. Quote How do you think society reached that point? What point? Quote Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck...I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. So you identify yourself and others by their race. Therefore it is safe to assume that you, without knowing anything about another person, make assumptions about that person based on their color. Clicky Quote And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! I would love a national referendum to be held on the issue. Prop 209 has been in effect in California for some time now. Were such a referendum to occur, AA would go the way of the dodo. Now, how about answering the questions I posed? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #124 January 30, 2005 Like I said.... Deal with it! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #125 January 30, 2005 I have been told countless times that I will run into people like you, who will REFUSE to listen... and the only way around it is to shake my head and move on. I can't accept that today, I'm not giving up on you If you want me to answer your questions in reference to my questions that I thought were rather self-explanitory I will do that for you. But it doesn't even seem to me like your trying. Your just countering my questions with more questions, then applying subversive rhetoric. A defense mechanism at it's finest. You do not have to defend yourself from me, Im not attacking you. Im making my opinions known while taking yours and others into account. It seems to me that you think that there is no difference between white and black. Or you recognize the distinction but think that morally it should have no place in a selection process. while I am saying that there is a clear undeniable distinction between white and black, and naturally in a selection process one has already made their selection at first SIGHT. am I going off track here?... if not, then we can continue. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 5 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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gravityizsexy 0 #106 January 29, 2005 Quote Bullshit. How DARE you insult so many people who have worked so hard to get where they are with such a racist, bigoted comment? If people were merited by their "hard work" we wouldn't be having this discussion... Quote By using 'your' in such a context you indicate that you identify yourself with your race and judge others by theirs. Not surprising for an affirmative action supporter. Oh, I'm sorry... I must be crazy not to see the HUGE freakin' difference between whites and blacks. Quote Equality, eh? RACIAL equality? Odd concept to me - Evidentally... QuoteNobody was 'forced' into either. They are there by luck of birth - some of them - and most of them because of choices they have made in life. Your right.... we all were born with plots of land. Quote Ahhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. I support it for obvious reasons... most of which I have stated throughout the thread. Quote To which white supremacists do you refer here? Unfortunatley, they cannot be identified which is why I intentionally made for the statement to be as vague as possible Quote What pieces? In place for what? Only those who care what color someone else is could use the word co-exist in such a context. Pieces like Affirmitive Action, pieces like Women's rights, pieces like Fraternities, Pieces like the NRA, pieces that change AMERICAN LAW!... or do you not vote??? Quote Theory of what? And no, I don't know what point you are trying to make. My point Vinny, is that there only seems to ONE solution to equality, and the steps to that era have already been put in place, hence AA. And yes, I agree... as I have so many times before here, it's blatent discrimination. Unless you or anyone else has any other ideas to solve this problem, then this is the way it will be. But, if your implying that somehow that I am a racist, then you don't know how wrong you are. Not that I feel that I am obligated to indulge you, but I'll tell you anyway, my girlfriend of 4 years is caucasian.. We are VERY much in love, and I would not deny her any part of myself, my family, my culture, or what I have to offer her because she has a different skin color nor would she. My best friend is caucasian, and I look after him just the same as anybody else I care about as he does for me. So don't get confused.... I am in no way racist, the system however is... rightfully so in my opinion. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #107 January 29, 2005 Judge people by their race all you like. Support programs that judge people by their race to your heart's content. Believe in shadow organizations consisting of white supremacists that you can neither name nor expose, but inexplicably wield great power over all. Go right ahead. Perhaps they're hiding behind the Lochness Monster with Puff the Magic Dragon smoking a joint and making plans to infest Africa with tailor made viruses that turn goat's piss into coconut milk. Identify yourself by your race and not your character for as long as you like. Do all of the above and more. It changes not this fact: Racial discrimination is disgusting and wrong. Just because you care about what race you and others are doesn't mean that anyone else does. Nor does it mean that we should support racial discrimination. Yes, I'm white. Furthermore, I don't owe anyone JACK SHIT because of it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #108 January 29, 2005 Quote I am in no way racist, the system however is... rightfully so in my opinion. So let's get this straight. You aren't a racist, but the system (AA) is, and you support the system. So, you support a system that is racist, but you aren't a racist, right? Impossible. Fact: if you support a system that is racist, then you've defined yourself as a racist. Dance around in denial all you'd like, but according to you, you are a racist. Why not just admit it and move on? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #109 January 29, 2005 because --> (I) <-- do not discriminate... so there is nothing to admit... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #110 January 29, 2005 QuoteIf people were merited by their "hard work" we wouldn't be having this discussion... But that's exactly what you want to stop. You don't want people being judged by the quality of their work. You want affirmative action, which judges people solely on their race. That is racism. QuoteOh, I'm sorry... I must be crazy not to see the HUGE freakin' difference between whites and blacks. Really? Should I tell you that I dream of a day where people are judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? QuoteQuoteAhhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. I support it for obvious reasons... most of which I have stated throughout the thread. You support racism. Doesn't that make you a racist?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #111 January 29, 2005 QuoteJudge people by their race all you like. Support programs that judge people by their race to your heart's content. Believe in shadow organizations consisting of white supremacists that you can neither name nor expose, but inexplicably wield great power over all. Go right ahead. Perhaps they're hiding behind the Lochness Monster with Puff the Magic Dragon smoking a joint and making plans to infest Africa with tailor made viruses that turn goat's piss into coconut milk. Identify yourself by your race and not your character for as long as you like. Do all of the above and more. It changes not this fact: Racial discrimination is disgusting and wrong. Just because you care about what race you and others are doesn't mean that anyone else does. Nor does it mean that we should support racial discrimination. Yes, I'm white. Furthermore, I don't owe anyone JACK SHIT because of it. So now we're at the point were YOU tell ME how I feel or what I think..., thanks for that, because apparently I can't think for myself. And where do you get this "shadow organizations comprised of white supremicist" you brought up the first instance of that. I said nothing even remotely relative. Futhermore, I'm not here advocating Affirmitive Action, I am simply agree'ing with the topic that Racism and Sexism are alive and well, and if it's not one side.. it's the other. It's the transfer of powers that will ultimately resolve the issue. And that's all AA is doing. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #112 January 29, 2005 Quotebecause --> (I) <-- do not discriminate... so there is nothing to admit... This is a laugh riot. You cannot support racism and not be a racist. Period. Maybe you're the "good kind of racist". Or maybe you're a "racist with a cause". Whatever, but you, according to you, are a racist. Plain and simple. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #113 January 29, 2005 Quote Quote But that's exactly what you want to stop. You don't want people being judged by the quality of their work. You want affirmative action, which judges people solely on their race. That is racism. Yes, Yes I do want people judged by their hard work. But if that were to happen TODAY, we'd just be going backwards in time and the minorities would become even smaller and smaller. Quote Really? Should I tell you that I dream of a day where people are judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character? And that day is still yet to come. AA does nothing but attest to this. It is only when equality is annunciated that AA will no longer be necessary. If african-americans becomes the majority in america and AA still exists... THEN!!!!!! will you have something to protest about. QuoteAhhh racial discrimination - the key to racial equality. At least you admit your support racial discrimination. I don't - the concept sickens me. Quote You support racism. Doesn't that make you a racist? I didn't mean for racial discrimination... I thought it was for Affirmitive Action.. I DO NOT support ...... OK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. I am for equality, and see'ing as how racial discrimination seems to be the only way to reach equality, I guess .............. DAMNIT!!! I PERSONALLY DO NOT DISCRIMINATE. Nor have I ever, but I am willing to support anything that would achieve equality. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #114 January 29, 2005 QuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #115 January 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. I am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #116 January 29, 2005 QuoteI am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day sir... Ok, but just to let you know -- I understand and support the need for AA in the US, and have stated so before in these forums. You and I probably only differ in opinion on when it should go away. Have a nice weekend. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #117 January 29, 2005 BZZZT! WRONG! Quote So now we're at the point were YOU tell ME how I feel or what I think..., WRONG! You've stated what you think repeatedly in this thread. Quote thanks for that, because apparently I can't think for myself. Never inferred such. Think that if it makes you feel better. Quote And where do you get this "shadow organizations comprised of white supremicist" you brought up the first instance of that. I said nothing even remotely relative. Odd that you stated that white-supremacists in power could wipe out the black-race and do so easily then when challenged as to which supremacists claimed they could not be named then. Quite odd. Humorous in fact. Quote Futhermore, I'm not here advocating Affirmitive Action, EXTREMELY odd that you've stated your support for it in previous posts in this thread. Quote I am simply agree'ing with the topic that Racism and Sexism are alive and well, and if it's not one side.. it's the other. Racism and sexism ARE alive and well but do not pervade life in America today - most of it at any rate. As long as bigots such as Al Sharpton, Julian Bond, and Jesse Jackson continue to hold sway with any segment of society racism will continue to be alive and well. The livelihoods of the aforementioned are highly dependent on this. Quote It's the transfer of powers that will ultimately resolve the issue. Transfer of power? What power? What transfer? Who are the participants in this transfer? Quote And that's all AA is doing. AA is transferring power? What? If so that's certainly not all it's doing. It's denigrating the achievements of hard working minorities who achieve what they have without help. It's racial discrimination on the part of institutions, which is sickening. Think whatever makes you feel better. Racial discrimination is still wrong, disgusting, and has absolutely no place in American society today. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #118 January 29, 2005 AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. And that is not something to laugh about... why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. So my question to you is.... what can we, what can you.. do about this? "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #119 January 29, 2005 People of all races suffer from "White Guilt". It's ironic reading this series of posts though - with you quoting the classic white guilt arguments of the last generation - particularly as a very young man. The best way to achieve 'color blindness' is to be color blind (even trying and failing at it is better than not trying at all). The next generation will notice and do better (for each race). My parents had a hard time with my girlfriend in college and let me know about it (she was American, but also asian descent). If my daughter comes home with a minority (whatever) boyfriend someday, I'll notice the difference and then get over it and judge the boy by his character - but I'll notice the difference at first and have to make the choice for it not to matter (even though my three best friends in my 20's were from 3 different races FWIW). Hopefully, my daughter won't even notice something cosmetic as skin color when it comes to the choices her children make. As a self centered personality, I'm basing today on my position and that my age group is coming into power in business and government. And AA makes it HARDER, not easier, to make the conscious decision to take people by their actions. In otherwords, AA was necessary for that 50-80 year old generation - but they are dying off and moving out of power. But now, this 30 -50 year old generation wants to do the right thing and AA is a barrier to taking that step - it causes more resentment than help (for all the races). AA is not color blind - that's all. And most of us truly want to make decisions as if we are color blind. We're teaching our children the wrong priorities by allowing a finished concept to not retire. Think about how different your attitudes are towards race when compare to your parents and grandparents you'll see what I mean. You other guys - it would be easier to make your points to a smart guy like GravSsxy if the writing wasn't so impassioned - the arguments are less clear than the resentment that AA naturally breeds. 2 cents - for me it's about trying to teach my kid the right things and seeing so many people, black and white and ...., perpetuating such old crap that we should have already grown out of. background - My folks never owned a plot of land. Only one branch of my ancestors traces back to revolutionary times, the other 3 came over in the early 1900's. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #120 January 30, 2005 Quote AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. Tranferring governing power? What power? From whom? To whom? Quote It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. AA formed by white supremacists? What? Heir-born positions? What heir-born positions? Who? What positions? Quote why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? To quote the greatest president of the 20th century, there you go again. Identifying yourself by your race. Disgusting. THERE IS NO CITIZEN IN THE USA BEING GOVERNED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Perhaps not the candidate for which he/she voted, but a representative nonetheless exists for every citizen in this nation at both the state and federal level. DEAL WITH IT. Quote And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Bullshit. How DARE you insult my friends with such asinine bigotry? Quote Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. Your words, not mine. Horrid attempt at justifying your support of racial discrimination and asinine personal attack on my minority friends and coworkers. Minorities have had the right to vote and a free education since before you were born. DEAL WITH IT. Quote The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Why the hell do you think you DESERVE a leg up on anyone else? Because of your color? No way. Yeah, you were born black. And nobody owes you ANYTHING because of it. Quote Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. Ahhhh so you believe in the racial superiority of one race over another. Clicky Quote and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. Absolutely. Quote So my question to you is....what can we, what can you.. do about this? Do about what? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #121 January 30, 2005 Quote Racism and sexism are alive and well in the US Fuck you, shovenist honky cracker! Ok, seriously, I've skipped this entire thread since all there was to read were a lot of SC cliche arguements and I thought this thread needed a laugh.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #122 January 30, 2005 First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. How do you think society reached that point? Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck... I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #123 January 30, 2005 Quote First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. If you find mere questions that you cannot answer offensive then perhaps politics is not the topic for you. Note that you answered none of my questions - I think the reason obvious. Quote Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Quite easily. By not caring what color anyone is. You should try it sometime. Quote Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Ahhhh...how cute. I think every day. Quite often in fact. State that I don't all you like if it makes you feel better. Quote Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. I don't care what race of person participates in anything. Quote How do you think society reached that point? What point? Quote Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck...I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. So you identify yourself and others by their race. Therefore it is safe to assume that you, without knowing anything about another person, make assumptions about that person based on their color. Clicky Quote And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! I would love a national referendum to be held on the issue. Prop 209 has been in effect in California for some time now. Were such a referendum to occur, AA would go the way of the dodo. Now, how about answering the questions I posed? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #124 January 30, 2005 Like I said.... Deal with it! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gravityizsexy 0 #125 January 30, 2005 I have been told countless times that I will run into people like you, who will REFUSE to listen... and the only way around it is to shake my head and move on. I can't accept that today, I'm not giving up on you If you want me to answer your questions in reference to my questions that I thought were rather self-explanitory I will do that for you. But it doesn't even seem to me like your trying. Your just countering my questions with more questions, then applying subversive rhetoric. A defense mechanism at it's finest. You do not have to defend yourself from me, Im not attacking you. Im making my opinions known while taking yours and others into account. It seems to me that you think that there is no difference between white and black. Or you recognize the distinction but think that morally it should have no place in a selection process. while I am saying that there is a clear undeniable distinction between white and black, and naturally in a selection process one has already made their selection at first SIGHT. am I going off track here?... if not, then we can continue. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 5 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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skydyvr 0 #114 January 29, 2005 QuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #115 January 29, 2005 QuoteQuoteOK, I can see I am in a catch 22 here. That's a good start. Ending racism begins with the individual. I am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day... "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #116 January 29, 2005 QuoteI am through here. I have said all I can say, and defending myself from your abuse is no longer worth my time. Good Day sir... Ok, but just to let you know -- I understand and support the need for AA in the US, and have stated so before in these forums. You and I probably only differ in opinion on when it should go away. Have a nice weekend. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #117 January 29, 2005 BZZZT! WRONG! Quote So now we're at the point were YOU tell ME how I feel or what I think..., WRONG! You've stated what you think repeatedly in this thread. Quote thanks for that, because apparently I can't think for myself. Never inferred such. Think that if it makes you feel better. Quote And where do you get this "shadow organizations comprised of white supremicist" you brought up the first instance of that. I said nothing even remotely relative. Odd that you stated that white-supremacists in power could wipe out the black-race and do so easily then when challenged as to which supremacists claimed they could not be named then. Quite odd. Humorous in fact. Quote Futhermore, I'm not here advocating Affirmitive Action, EXTREMELY odd that you've stated your support for it in previous posts in this thread. Quote I am simply agree'ing with the topic that Racism and Sexism are alive and well, and if it's not one side.. it's the other. Racism and sexism ARE alive and well but do not pervade life in America today - most of it at any rate. As long as bigots such as Al Sharpton, Julian Bond, and Jesse Jackson continue to hold sway with any segment of society racism will continue to be alive and well. The livelihoods of the aforementioned are highly dependent on this. Quote It's the transfer of powers that will ultimately resolve the issue. Transfer of power? What power? What transfer? Who are the participants in this transfer? Quote And that's all AA is doing. AA is transferring power? What? If so that's certainly not all it's doing. It's denigrating the achievements of hard working minorities who achieve what they have without help. It's racial discrimination on the part of institutions, which is sickening. Think whatever makes you feel better. Racial discrimination is still wrong, disgusting, and has absolutely no place in American society today. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #118 January 29, 2005 AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. And that is not something to laugh about... why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. So my question to you is.... what can we, what can you.. do about this? "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #119 January 29, 2005 People of all races suffer from "White Guilt". It's ironic reading this series of posts though - with you quoting the classic white guilt arguments of the last generation - particularly as a very young man. The best way to achieve 'color blindness' is to be color blind (even trying and failing at it is better than not trying at all). The next generation will notice and do better (for each race). My parents had a hard time with my girlfriend in college and let me know about it (she was American, but also asian descent). If my daughter comes home with a minority (whatever) boyfriend someday, I'll notice the difference and then get over it and judge the boy by his character - but I'll notice the difference at first and have to make the choice for it not to matter (even though my three best friends in my 20's were from 3 different races FWIW). Hopefully, my daughter won't even notice something cosmetic as skin color when it comes to the choices her children make. As a self centered personality, I'm basing today on my position and that my age group is coming into power in business and government. And AA makes it HARDER, not easier, to make the conscious decision to take people by their actions. In otherwords, AA was necessary for that 50-80 year old generation - but they are dying off and moving out of power. But now, this 30 -50 year old generation wants to do the right thing and AA is a barrier to taking that step - it causes more resentment than help (for all the races). AA is not color blind - that's all. And most of us truly want to make decisions as if we are color blind. We're teaching our children the wrong priorities by allowing a finished concept to not retire. Think about how different your attitudes are towards race when compare to your parents and grandparents you'll see what I mean. You other guys - it would be easier to make your points to a smart guy like GravSsxy if the writing wasn't so impassioned - the arguments are less clear than the resentment that AA naturally breeds. 2 cents - for me it's about trying to teach my kid the right things and seeing so many people, black and white and ...., perpetuating such old crap that we should have already grown out of. background - My folks never owned a plot of land. Only one branch of my ancestors traces back to revolutionary times, the other 3 came over in the early 1900's. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #120 January 30, 2005 Quote AA is transferring the governing power of the masses, a concept which you are failing to understand. Tranferring governing power? What power? From whom? To whom? Quote It was formed by white supremicist and it is highly probable that there are still some left in their heir-born positions. AA formed by white supremacists? What? Heir-born positions? What heir-born positions? Who? What positions? Quote why should we (The black community) be governed without representation? To quote the greatest president of the 20th century, there you go again. Identifying yourself by your race. Disgusting. THERE IS NO CITIZEN IN THE USA BEING GOVERNED WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Perhaps not the candidate for which he/she voted, but a representative nonetheless exists for every citizen in this nation at both the state and federal level. DEAL WITH IT. Quote And the minoral achievers you talk about would not have had the oppurtunity to achieve if it wasn't for civil liberty activist fighting to create laws and programs such as AA giving minorities "a leg up". Bullshit. How DARE you insult my friends with such asinine bigotry? Quote Your telling me they would have achieved anyhow if they didn't have rights to vote, education, money, freedoms, so on and so forth. Your words, not mine. Horrid attempt at justifying your support of racial discrimination and asinine personal attack on my minority friends and coworkers. Minorities have had the right to vote and a free education since before you were born. DEAL WITH IT. Quote The way I see it, we are being given a leg when we did not have one in the first place. Why the hell do you think you DESERVE a leg up on anyone else? Because of your color? No way. Yeah, you were born black. And nobody owes you ANYTHING because of it. Quote Without AA, America would revert back into the days of segregation, thus supporting racism. Ahhhh so you believe in the racial superiority of one race over another. Clicky Quote and you've made it clear that you are against racial discrimination. Absolutely. Quote So my question to you is....what can we, what can you.. do about this? Do about what? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #121 January 30, 2005 Quote Racism and sexism are alive and well in the US Fuck you, shovenist honky cracker! Ok, seriously, I've skipped this entire thread since all there was to read were a lot of SC cliche arguements and I thought this thread needed a laugh.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #122 January 30, 2005 First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. How do you think society reached that point? Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck... I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #123 January 30, 2005 Quote First off, If you want your post to be taken seriously and to continue being treated with respect, I suggest you modify your speech to a more proper tone. If you find mere questions that you cannot answer offensive then perhaps politics is not the topic for you. Note that you answered none of my questions - I think the reason obvious. Quote Second, how is somebody who is NOT black going to represent blacks? Quite easily. By not caring what color anyone is. You should try it sometime. Quote Third, THINK!!! DAMNIT!!! THINK FOR YOURSELF!!! Ahhhh...how cute. I think every day. Quite often in fact. State that I don't all you like if it makes you feel better. Quote Why Are Minorties Participating more in the current social structures of America? The middle-class, the upper-middle class, the upper class. I don't care what race of person participates in anything. Quote How do you think society reached that point? What point? Quote Fourth, Your fucking right I identify myself by my race. I'm not blind. I'm black.. and I am not ashamed of it. As a matter of fact I flaunt it everywhere I go, heck...I even go out of my way to make sure people know it. So you identify yourself and others by their race. Therefore it is safe to assume that you, without knowing anything about another person, make assumptions about that person based on their color. Clicky Quote And here's another little fun fact. Affirmitive Action is live and established, and as long as I maintain my owed right to vote it's NOT going to change... until the popular votes see fit. DEAL WITH THAT!!! I would love a national referendum to be held on the issue. Prop 209 has been in effect in California for some time now. Were such a referendum to occur, AA would go the way of the dodo. Now, how about answering the questions I posed? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #124 January 30, 2005 Like I said.... Deal with it! "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gravityizsexy 0 #125 January 30, 2005 I have been told countless times that I will run into people like you, who will REFUSE to listen... and the only way around it is to shake my head and move on. I can't accept that today, I'm not giving up on you If you want me to answer your questions in reference to my questions that I thought were rather self-explanitory I will do that for you. But it doesn't even seem to me like your trying. Your just countering my questions with more questions, then applying subversive rhetoric. A defense mechanism at it's finest. You do not have to defend yourself from me, Im not attacking you. Im making my opinions known while taking yours and others into account. It seems to me that you think that there is no difference between white and black. Or you recognize the distinction but think that morally it should have no place in a selection process. while I am saying that there is a clear undeniable distinction between white and black, and naturally in a selection process one has already made their selection at first SIGHT. am I going off track here?... if not, then we can continue. "'Someday is not a day in my week'" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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