shropshire 0 #1 January 19, 2005 Hi Everyone.. it occured to me that there are a lot of posters here with pretty fixed ideas (Gun Folk... for example) and this is kind of a debating site (ish!). In a real debating society, you dont always get chance to pick you side, you may have to try to win an argument that is counter intuative to your own strongly help beliefs..... (P.S you might even learn something along the way - Deep Huh? So can you do it eh? Bet you cann't! Go on give it a go.......... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #2 January 19, 2005 I did mock trial in HS, having to try a case you didn't believe in, or playing lawyer for both sides of the case. It was a great learning experience. I could probably debate contrary to my own beliefs pretty well if I had to. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 January 19, 2005 If there was any sort of logic behind gun control, it would be possible to argue the other side of it. As it is, I don't see it as possible....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #4 January 19, 2005 I always try to understand the arguments for both sides of an issue. it clarifies my own position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #5 January 19, 2005 If you could get all the guns and make them dissapear the world would be safer."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 January 19, 2005 QuoteIf there was any sort of logic behind gun control, it would be possible to argue the other side of it. As it is, I don't see it as possible.... On the overall subject, it's a hard argument. But if you just go after some of the ridiculous claims from the NRA side, you can make a living. When the Brady types aren't making up facts, that's what they're doing. Few of the other issues in SC are so black and white, making it pretty easy to argue the other side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 January 19, 2005 QuoteBut if you just go after some of the ridiculous claims from the NRABrady side, you can make a living. There, fixed that for ya.... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 January 19, 2005 Quote If you could get all the guns and make them dissapear the world would be safer. Right, sort of like 13th century Europe, that was a really safe society. No wars, no crime, nothing... Oh.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #9 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you could get all the guns and make them dissapear the world would be safer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right, sort of like 13th century Europe, that was a really safe society. No wars, no crime, nothing... Oh. Very few people accidentally stab someone with a long sword"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 January 19, 2005 Safe? Pestilence, famines, expectation of life: abt 30 yrs. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you could get all the guns and make them dissapear the world would be safer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right, sort of like 13th century Europe, that was a really safe society. No wars, no crime, nothing... Oh. Very few people accidentally stab someone with a long sword Just because they say "It just went off!" doesn't mean that's what actually happened....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 January 19, 2005 QuoteVery few people accidentally stab someone with a long sword No, but accidental crossbow killings during the late 12th century throughout the 15th century have been documented.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #13 January 19, 2005 QuoteJust because they say "It just went off!" doesn't mean that's what actually happened.... See it would be hard to accidently cut someones head off. Guns make killing easier. Without guns it would be harder to kill someone."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #14 January 19, 2005 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Very few people accidentally stab someone with a long sword -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, but accidental crossbow killings during the late 12th century throughout the 15th century have been documented. Yes, and ham sandwhiches have been reported to kill singers. A crossbow was the 12th centry equal to the handgun. Same premise. If no one had crossbows, then no one would die from them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 January 19, 2005 Then we'll have to ban sticks and stones as well, since they tend to break bones...sticking only to words since words have never hurt anyone... My point is that its human nature and I'd prefer to have a level playing field slanted in my favor.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust because they say "It just went off!" doesn't mean that's what actually happened.... See it would be hard to accidently cut someones head off. Guns make killing easier. Without guns it would be harder to kill someone. And you well know that the object isn't the weapon, the mind is...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 January 19, 2005 QuoteGuns make killing easier. Without guns it would be harder to kill someone. Killers don't seem to be too concerned about the ease of the task. There have been plenty of them throughout history, even before guns were invented, willing to go to great lengths. How did Cain kill Able, in the creationist world's first murder? The bible doesn't say... But there weren't any guns back then. He must have used a stick or a rock. Those are also rather easy tools to use for the purpose of murder. Ya' gonna ban sticks and rocks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #18 January 19, 2005 Good Point John. I mean if your going to ban apples you may as well ban oranges as well. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 January 19, 2005 QuoteGood Point John. I mean if your going to ban apples you may as well ban oranges as well. Don't forget automobiles. Not only do people use them to kill others, they accidently hurt themselves with them. I mean if banning cars could just save the life of one child, it woud be worth it. Anyone against banning the automobile must be for killing children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #20 January 19, 2005 > If there was any sort of logic behind gun control, it would be possible >to argue the other side of it. As it is, I don't see it as possible.... I once wrote both sides of the issue for a gun control debate (the guy I was debating was almost illiterate, and we were graded as a whole.) Not hard at all. Understanding your opponent's arguments is critical to any debater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #21 January 19, 2005 You may have missed out on my sarcasm there. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greybeard 0 #22 January 19, 2005 some Socrotes discusion groups are popular locally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #23 January 20, 2005 Could you please expand on this a bit more? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #24 January 20, 2005 Hey, if I didn't enjoy debating I wouldn't have gone and made it my job now would I. And you wanna talk about arguing for a side you don't believe in? Tomorrow morning I've got to go tell a magistrate some twit wasn't driving without due care and attention and next week I'm proving that it wasn't the vendors fault the glue they sold a construction firm shows through the 600 aluminum panels they stuck to the side of a building. Once while I was at college I successfully argued that cutting down the rain forest was a good idea and indeed necessary to the survival of the Human race. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #25 January 20, 2005 "Once while I was at college I successfully argued that cutting down the rain forest was a good idea and indeed necessary to the survival of the Human race." Yeah, but was anyone actually convinced? I see this forum as less of a place to win arguments, but more to appreciate the different takes folk have on events, policies etc. Its not a place to win arguments (lets face it that simply will never happen), its more a place where we can bridge the gap between cultures, and geo/political divides, perhaps understand each other better, even if we disagree. Thats a good thing, right?-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
