TheAnvil 0 #1 January 19, 2005 clicky Dr. Rice is just brilliant. One wonders how she kept her composure so well dealing with such a fidiot. If I'm ever president I'm going to give all my cabinet nominees my full permission to bash the hell out of any moron that impugns them during confirmation hearings. Ted Kennedy: Vinny's SecState nominee, is it true that you are in league with the devil, hate minorities, and want to go to war with the peaceful nation of Equatorial Guinea to line the pockets of your corporate friends? FutureSecState: No Senator, I don't think the Kopechne family forgives you. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 January 19, 2005 Atleast FARK still has a sense of humor about it...here's the headline from FARK: "Democrats Grill Rice. Rice fields tough questions. Asians Perplexed"--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #3 January 19, 2005 "I'm going to give all my cabinet nominees my full permission to bash the hell out of any moron that impugns them during confirmation hearings." At least that would make entertaining viewing.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #4 January 19, 2005 The whole term would be cheap entertainment. Imagine this headline: "CNN to Move HQ to Kabul in Protest of UN Expulsion! President JACKASS Pledges Own Money for Reagan Statue in Place of CNN Tower" Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #5 January 19, 2005 Quote"CNN to Move HQ to Kabul in Protest of UN Expulsion! President JACKASS Pledges Own Money for Reagan Statue in Place of CNN Tower" "President JACKASS orders the invasion of Mexico in order to insure that the flow of tequila remains constant..." "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #6 January 19, 2005 "President JACKASS orders the invasion of Mexico in order to insure that the flow of tequila remains constant..." Commisar of Scotland, Premiere Macfeegle, pledges the support of kilted warriors to join the Coalition of the Swilling.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #7 January 19, 2005 Oooh that's a good one! Perhaps I should campaign on that issue...ahhh...the Presidency...Coalition of the Swilling - THAT would get the Russki's onboard...then...the world....and once I've gotten the world's resources under my control, a self-packing parachute will then become a reality! Muuuuhuhuhuhahahahahaaaaaaa!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #8 January 19, 2005 Well, Boxer and Kerry were the only no votes... no surprise... On to the full Senate by a 16-2 vote... JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #9 January 19, 2005 Imagine, senators asking tough questions of someone who will have to represent our country! The emperor will NOT be pleased. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 January 19, 2005 QuoteImagine, senators asking tough questions of someone who will have to represent our country! The emperor will NOT be pleased. Neither will Koffi Annan and the rest of the criminals inhabiting the U.N. QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) - The U.N. oil-for-food program for Saddam Hussein's Iraq was scandalously mismanaged and will be reviewed as an important item in President Bush's second term, Secretary of State-designate Condoleezza Rice said Tuesday. Taking a tough line, but without referring to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan by name, Rice said, "Those who were responsible should be held accountable." Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., who is trying to force Annan to resign, invited Rice's comments at her confirmation hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. More than 50 internal U.N. audits of the Iraq oil-for-food program released Jan. 10 by the U.N. Office of Internal Oversight Services detailed how U.N. agencies working under the program squandered millions of dollars through overpayment to contractors, mismanagement of purchasing and assets, and fraud by its employees. Coleman said disclosures so far revealed only the tip of the problem. The program permitted Iraq an exemption in U.N. economic sanctions and allowed oil sales if the income were used for food and medicine for the Iraqi people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #11 January 19, 2005 >Neither will Koffi Annan and the rest of the criminals inhabiting the U.N. I bet you won't see THIS story coming from any conservatives on this board: ----------------- Iraqi-American pleads guilty in U.N. oil-for-food probe Samir Vincent a former Olympic athlete Wednesday, January 19, 2005 Posted: 2:40 AM EST (0740 GMT) Attorney General John Ashcroft announced the charges Tuesday (CNN) -- An Iraqi-American businessman pleaded guilty Tuesday to illegally doing business with and lobbying for Iraq for a decade as part of the United Nations' oil-for-food program. Samir Vincent entered the guilty pleas to four charges Tuesday in U.S. District Court in New York, including engaging in prohibited financial transactions with Iraq, acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government and making false statements on his income tax returns. . . . A number of U.S. oil companies, including ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, oil refiner Bayoil, and oil field equipment supplier Baker-Hughes have been subpoenaed by federal prosecutors, along with the largest U.S. buyer of Iraqi oil, Houston businessman Oscar Wyatt and his former company, Coastal Oil, now owned by El Paso Inc. Vincent's name and the name of a firm he runs -- Phoenix International, based in Fairfax, Virginia -- appear in former Iraqi oil ministry records obtained since the U.S.-led invasion toppled Saddam's regime in 2003. ---------------------- "but . . . but . . . the oil-for-food thing was so we could bash the UN . . . " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 January 19, 2005 QuoteI bet you won't see THIS story coming from any conservatives on this board: Huh. Nice jab...kinda sad actually. I'm a conservative, I'm not fond of the UN (or the League of Nations for that matter). I firmly believe that if companies or individuals did business with the old Iraq, breaking the law, then they should be held accountable.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #13 January 19, 2005 QuoteI bet you won't see THIS story coming from any conservatives on this board: Actually saw it live on Fox yesterday... it did not specifically name the US firms, but said several US firms were under investigation... If there are US firms involved int he OFF scandle, so beit... let the chips fall where they may, UN or otherwise. JAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 January 19, 2005 I want every company and individual who ripped off the Iraqi people, helped support SH and commited any crime to be brought to justice and punished severely if they are found guilty. I couldn't care less what country they are from or who they know. The more important they are, the better. This theft has got to stop. I attacked the UN because it couldn't have happened unless people high up in the UN sanctioned it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #15 January 19, 2005 I think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action, although it does not agree with the "global" point of view."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #16 January 19, 2005 > I want every company and individual who ripped off the Iraqi people, > helped support SH and commited any crime to be brought to justice and > punished severely if they are found guilty. What punishment would you choose for the US companies that sold WMD precursors to Saddam? How about for the US military personnel who provided him with military intelligence during his wars; what should their punishment be? >This theft has got to stop. I agree there. But blaming the UN for the actions of some thieves makes as much sense as blaming the US for the actions of the above-mentioned theif (and the above-mentioned companies.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 January 19, 2005 QuoteI agree there. But blaming the UN for the actions of some thieves makes as much sense as blaming the US for the actions of the above-mentioned theif (and the above-mentioned companies.) specially since the US had a big hand in setting up and designing the OFF program in its various forms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 January 19, 2005 QuoteI think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action, although it does not agree with the "global" point of view. I do too and I applaude Condi Rice and the Bush Admin. for taking the lead and going after these criminals. I believe what we know right now is just the tip of the iceberg and I think there was a lot more going on that the UN doesn't want to be exposed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #19 January 19, 2005 > I think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action. You realize that the UN kicked off the investigation, appointed Paul Volcker to lead it, and that this charge came partly as a result of those investigations, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #20 January 19, 2005 Quote> I want every company and individual who ripped off the Iraqi people, > helped support SH and commited any crime to be brought to justice and > punished severely if they are found guilty. What punishment would you choose for the US companies that sold WMD precursors to Saddam? How about for the US military personnel who provided him with military intelligence during his wars; what should their punishment be? Did not know there was any type of restriction at that time, by any law, covenant, agreement, etc...was there one as you try to imply? >This theft has got to stop. Quote I agree there. But blaming the UN for the actions of some thieves makes as much sense as blaming the US for the actions of the above-mentioned theif (and the above-mentioned companies.) Seeing that US forces personnel are currently prosecuted for their crimes in foreign land, it sets a precedent that we actually try to comply with the laws, yet the UN in the other hand, seems not to be doing much but praising the employees that managed this so badly corrupted department within their organization, and it's CEO is backing the head of this department. What do you think?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 January 19, 2005 Quote> I want every company and individual who ripped off the Iraqi people, > helped support SH and commited any crime to be brought to justice and > punished severely if they are found guilty. QuoteWhat punishment would you choose for the US companies that sold WMD precursors to Saddam? How about for the US military personnel who provided him with military intelligence during his wars; what should their punishment be? If their actions were illegal, I want them tried and if found guilty, I want the punishment to fit the crime. I think reparations would be a good start. >This theft has got to stop. QuoteI agree there. But blaming the UN for the actions of some thieves makes as much sense as blaming the US for the actions of the above-mentioned theif (and the above-mentioned companies.) If the people within the UN knew, which it appears they did, and not only approved but actually proffited from these criminal acts, then I want them tried and a jury to decide their punishment. We've had this discussion before, Bill and you know how I feel about white collar criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #22 January 19, 2005 >Did not know there was any type of restriction at that time, by any law, >covenant, agreement, etc There was not. So you might want to change your statement above, because you said that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein brought to justice. We used to support Saddam Hussein. So it would probably be more accurate for you to say that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein when we didn't support him prosecuted. >yet the UN in the other hand, seems not to be doing much but praising > the employees that managed this so badly corrupted department within > their organization, and it's CEO is backing the head of this department. ?? Conservatives praise Halliburton, a company that has been found guilty of fraud over war contracts, and who continues to pay our vice president, its former CEO, for his services to them. Both the US and the UN have screwed up at one time or another. I agree that we should go after the people who made those mistakes. Do not mistake the actions of an individual, though, for the actions of a country or overall organization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #23 January 19, 2005 Quote>Did not know there was any type of restriction at that time, by any law, >covenant, agreement, etc There was not. So you might want to change your statement above, because you said that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein brought to justice. We used to support Saddam Hussein. So it would probably be more accurate for you to say that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein when we didn't support him prosecuted. >yet the UN in the other hand, seems not to be doing much but praising > the employees that managed this so badly corrupted department within > their organization, and it's CEO is backing the head of this department. Quote?? Conservatives praise Halliburton, a company that has been found guilty of fraud over war contracts, and who continues to pay our vice president, its former CEO, for his services to them. Really?? Most Conservative I know have condemned Haliburton and said if they commited a criminal act, they should be punished. Please explain the criminal act Haliburton was tried and convicted. Haliburton is contractually obligated to pay Cheney. Are you suggesting they break the law by refusing to honor a contractual obligation? QuoteBoth the US and the UN have screwed up at one time or another. I agree that we should go after the people who made those mistakes. Do not mistake the actions of an individual, though, for the actions of a country or overall organization. So we should have only gone after Al Capone, but not his criminal organization? We shouldn't have gone after the Lawyers, Accountants etc who allowed him to operate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #24 January 19, 2005 QuoteI think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action, although it does not agree with the "global" point of view. Actually, there are several French politicians and firms being investigated, some of them being already charged. I suspect some of them will walk away free, which is a shame, but no fault to the French judges trying to prosecute them... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #25 January 19, 2005 > Please explain the criminal act Haliburton was tried and convicted. Fined 7.5 million for SEC violations while Cheney was CEO. Fined 3.8 million for exporting nuclear triggers to Libya. Fined 27 million for meals they never delivered to troops in Iraq. Most recently a judge rejected a proposed $6 million offer from Halliburton to settle the most recent lawsuit since he thought the penalty will be far greater. >So we should have only gone after Al Capone, but not his criminal organization? We should go after Capone and the people who committed crimes along with him. It would be silly to claim that Capone's crimes were Chicago's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
billvon 3,111 #22 January 19, 2005 >Did not know there was any type of restriction at that time, by any law, >covenant, agreement, etc There was not. So you might want to change your statement above, because you said that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein brought to justice. We used to support Saddam Hussein. So it would probably be more accurate for you to say that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein when we didn't support him prosecuted. >yet the UN in the other hand, seems not to be doing much but praising > the employees that managed this so badly corrupted department within > their organization, and it's CEO is backing the head of this department. ?? Conservatives praise Halliburton, a company that has been found guilty of fraud over war contracts, and who continues to pay our vice president, its former CEO, for his services to them. Both the US and the UN have screwed up at one time or another. I agree that we should go after the people who made those mistakes. Do not mistake the actions of an individual, though, for the actions of a country or overall organization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 January 19, 2005 Quote>Did not know there was any type of restriction at that time, by any law, >covenant, agreement, etc There was not. So you might want to change your statement above, because you said that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein brought to justice. We used to support Saddam Hussein. So it would probably be more accurate for you to say that you want everyone who supported Saddam Hussein when we didn't support him prosecuted. >yet the UN in the other hand, seems not to be doing much but praising > the employees that managed this so badly corrupted department within > their organization, and it's CEO is backing the head of this department. Quote?? Conservatives praise Halliburton, a company that has been found guilty of fraud over war contracts, and who continues to pay our vice president, its former CEO, for his services to them. Really?? Most Conservative I know have condemned Haliburton and said if they commited a criminal act, they should be punished. Please explain the criminal act Haliburton was tried and convicted. Haliburton is contractually obligated to pay Cheney. Are you suggesting they break the law by refusing to honor a contractual obligation? QuoteBoth the US and the UN have screwed up at one time or another. I agree that we should go after the people who made those mistakes. Do not mistake the actions of an individual, though, for the actions of a country or overall organization. So we should have only gone after Al Capone, but not his criminal organization? We shouldn't have gone after the Lawyers, Accountants etc who allowed him to operate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #24 January 19, 2005 QuoteI think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action, although it does not agree with the "global" point of view. Actually, there are several French politicians and firms being investigated, some of them being already charged. I suspect some of them will walk away free, which is a shame, but no fault to the French judges trying to prosecute them... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,111 #25 January 19, 2005 > Please explain the criminal act Haliburton was tried and convicted. Fined 7.5 million for SEC violations while Cheney was CEO. Fined 3.8 million for exporting nuclear triggers to Libya. Fined 27 million for meals they never delivered to troops in Iraq. Most recently a judge rejected a proposed $6 million offer from Halliburton to settle the most recent lawsuit since he thought the penalty will be far greater. >So we should have only gone after Al Capone, but not his criminal organization? We should go after Capone and the people who committed crimes along with him. It would be silly to claim that Capone's crimes were Chicago's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Frenchy68 0 #24 January 19, 2005 QuoteI think it is cool that so far the US is the only one taking action, although it does not agree with the "global" point of view. Actually, there are several French politicians and firms being investigated, some of them being already charged. I suspect some of them will walk away free, which is a shame, but no fault to the French judges trying to prosecute them... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #25 January 19, 2005 > Please explain the criminal act Haliburton was tried and convicted. Fined 7.5 million for SEC violations while Cheney was CEO. Fined 3.8 million for exporting nuclear triggers to Libya. Fined 27 million for meals they never delivered to troops in Iraq. Most recently a judge rejected a proposed $6 million offer from Halliburton to settle the most recent lawsuit since he thought the penalty will be far greater. >So we should have only gone after Al Capone, but not his criminal organization? We should go after Capone and the people who committed crimes along with him. It would be silly to claim that Capone's crimes were Chicago's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
