dorbie 0 #26 January 19, 2005 QuoteI believe the latest reports from those on the ground show that Iraq had complied with the terms of the 1991 surrender .... yea total compliance, see attached image. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #27 January 19, 2005 QuoteI appreciate the way this straight shooter details how the media bias and negativity undermines the allied efforts and describes in no uncertain terms how the media is aiding and abetting our enemies through their relentless bias and selectivity when relaying the news on Iraq. He writes a good article. If we assume what this guy writes is true, i.e. that pretty much every single foreign reporter in Iraq is bullshitting us about the situation there, why the fuck are they ALL doing it? Isn't it weird? I don't recall this happening with Afghanistan or with the first gulf way, so why this time? (edited for the usial spling mstks) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #28 January 19, 2005 >that pretty much every single foreign reporters in Iraq is bullshitting us about the situation there . . . . . . or one guy is bullshitting. But if it fits someone's political agenda, they'll go with the conspiracy every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #29 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteI appreciate the way this straight shooter details how the media bias and negativity undermines the allied efforts and describes in no uncertain terms how the media is aiding and abetting our enemies through their relentless bias and selectivity when relaying the news on Iraq. He writes a good article. If we assume what this guy writes is true, i.e. that pretty much every single foreign reporter in Iraq is bullshitting us about the situation there, why the fuck are they ALL doing it? Isn't it weird? I don't recall this happening with Afghanistan or with the first gulf way, so why this time? (edited for the usial spling mstks) Not at all, in fact I've heard at least one reporter complain that when they submit stories on positive developments they're never run on the news, eventually they give up even trying. We also have the objective facts in the article and we know of the reporting we've seen personally. We can be pretty sure that when the US forces invaded Fallujah and had success there while the media focus was on our casualties and a single shooting incident. We know many of the authors claims to be true because they closely correlate with what we know. It's amazing that many on the left think Saddam was in compliance with UN resolutions in the face of photographs like the one above, but that doesn't get a lot of play anywhere. It's not bulshitting by reporters it's selective editing and bias that you enjoy because it reinforces your position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #30 January 19, 2005 Quote.... yea total compliance, see attached image. Cool! A subterranean MIG! I always thought those were urban myths. How does it work? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #31 January 19, 2005 No no, it's just part of a conspiracy theory, it never existed, and you shouldn't let mere evidence influence your carefully nurtured ideas about Saddam's paradise. I'm sure you could find an image of an Iraqi detainee in his underware with man boobies you'd rather stare at Frenchy, so please move along, there's nothing to see here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #32 January 19, 2005 QuoteCool! A subterranean MIG! I always thought those were urban myths. How does it work?[:) Duh -- can't you tell by looking at those giant dirt scoops on each side? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #33 January 19, 2005 Did the UN actually ever tell SH that he wasn't allowed to bury old Migs in the Iraqi desert? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #34 January 19, 2005 QuoteI'm sure you could find an image of an Iraqi detainee in his underware with man boobies you'd rather stare at Frenchy, so please move along, there's nothing to see here. I've actually been searching the web for one of these for quite some time now, but to no avail. Got any in your arsenal of "never seen before SH smoking guns photos" I could borrow? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #35 January 19, 2005 To see the good go there. Experience not fabrication is tangible.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #36 January 19, 2005 Quote I've actually been searching the web for one of these for quite some time now, but to no avail. Got any in your arsenal of "never seen before SH smoking guns photos" I could borrow? OK, here's more on the buried MiGs http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_247.shtml The additional photos show evidence of the attempt to preserve the burried aircraft with plastic wrap. DoD reports claim 30-40 aircraft discovered buried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #37 January 19, 2005 QuoteOK, here's more on the buried MiGs http://www.acig.org/...sh/article_247.shtml The additional photos show evidence of the attempt to preserve the burried aircraft with plastic wrap. DoD reports claim 30-40 aircraft discovered buried. Great! Can't wait to see the Iraqi Navy's flying submarines. But what about the Iraqi detainees' boobies? Since, as you knowingly claimed, that's what I'd rather be staring at. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflight 0 #38 January 19, 2005 unfortunately, the people who "get" it, are not those that deserve to "get" it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflight 0 #39 January 19, 2005 for the reasons(other than $) on this particular engagement i would recommend some casual reading titled "America's Secret War" by george freidman. the dude started Stratfor, private intelligence firm. you will not regret getting this book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #40 January 19, 2005 So who are you? Or do you just like to take shots from hidden positions like the insurgents do? Rhino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 January 19, 2005 QuoteAll this thread needs is the obligatory Clinton slam and you will have fulfilled the daily quota for right wing complaints about the media! Ron? Gravitymaster? Bueller? Anyone? And the whole thread fulfills the liberal "Bash Bush, bash the military, bash the conservatives" requirements - your point being?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #42 January 19, 2005 Quote'our' enemies? Q. When did they become your enemy? A. About the time you invaded their damn country! Right... Their hatred of us didn't start and they didn't become our enemy until we invaded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 January 19, 2005 QuoteRight... Their hatred of us didn't start and they didn't become our enemy until we invaded. Hey, senior members from your own administration told you the populatioin would be cheering in the streets, throwing flowers at your feet, etc. Guess that was faulty intelligence as well Hey dorbie, tell me, when did the US declare war on Iraq? speaking of general malaise........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteRight... Their hatred of us didn't start and they didn't become our enemy until we invaded. Hey, senior members from your own administration told you the populatioin would be cheering in the streets, throwing flowers at your feet, etc. Guess that was faulty intelligence as well Hey dorbie, tell me, when did the US declare war on Iraq? speaking of general malaise........ Why don't YOU tell US when war was declared in Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda.... oh, that's right - it wasn't! Guess it's ok with you when your boy Clinton does it, but not Bush, eh?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #45 January 19, 2005 QuoteOK, here's more on the buried MiGs http://www.acig.org/...sh/article_247.shtml The additional photos show evidence of the attempt to preserve the burried aircraft with plastic wrap. DoD reports claim 30-40 aircraft discovered buried. Unfortunately SH was allowed these Migs. What he wasn't allowed was set out by UNSCOM. Specifically: QuoteThe Commission's mandate was the following: to carry out immediate on-site inspections of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities; to take possession for destruction, removal or rendering harmless of all chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related sub-systems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities; to supervise the destruction by Iraq of all its ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 km and related major parts, and repair and production facilities; and to monitor and verify Iraq's compliance with its undertaking not to use, develop, construct or acquire any of the items specified above. The Commission was also requested to assist the Director General of the IAEA, which, under resolution 687, was requested to undertake activities similar to those of the Commission but specifically in the nuclear field. Further, the Commission was entrusted to designate for inspection any additional site necessary for ensuring the fulfilment of the mandates given to the Commission and the IAEA. (http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/General/basicfacts.html) The only 'smoking gun' I could find were the missiles that in tests went 114 miles which is over the 94 mile range limit. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2755851.stm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 January 19, 2005 QuoteWhy don't YOU tell US when war was declared in Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda.... oh, that's right - it wasn't! Guess it's ok with you when your boy Clinton does it, but not Bush, eh? Whoa now. Didn't you know the "Authorization to use whatever force is deemed necessary" isn't the same as authorizing war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #47 January 19, 2005 QuoteAll this thread needs is the obligatory Clinton slam and you will have fulfilled the daily quota for right wing complaints about the media! Ron? Gravitymaster? Bueller? Anyone? The rest of this thread is just a Bush bash like always. Anti Bush, Anti military. You guys kill me."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #48 January 19, 2005 QuoteQuoteAll this thread needs is the obligatory Clinton slam and you will have fulfilled the daily quota for right wing complaints about the media! Ron? Gravitymaster? Bueller? Anyone? The rest of this thread is just a Bush bash like always. Anti Bush, Anti military. You guys kill me. Damn Ron, didn't you know that pointing out all problems in the country, particularly as they relate to problems in the intel community begin and end with GWB? And that any suggestion that the problems with bad intel on Iraq and detecting the 9/11 terrorist attacks had nothing to do with the reduction of funding and changes in policies during the Clinton Admin? What are you, some blind, Right-Wing, frothing at the mouth Conservative who only gets his marching orders from Fox News? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #49 January 19, 2005 ***The rest of this thread is just a Bush bash like always. Anti Bush, Anti military. You're right Ron,and without PhillyKev or Kallend around to pitch in, it's not even that entertainingMarc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 January 19, 2005 QuoteYou're right Ron,and without PhillyKev or Kallend around to pitch in, it's not even that entertaining Yeah, I miss PK...John and I still email each other"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
