Concealed Handgun Carry Poll

[JohnRich 4]

There is an organization called "Women Against Gun Violence", which has as two of its guiding principles:

* The presence and availability of firearms pose a significant threat to the safety of our communities.
* To prevent gun violence, access to and availability of handguns, assault weapons and ammunition must be reduced.

The anti-gun WAGV's have posted a poll on their web site asking visitors this question: "Should civilians be allowed to carry concealed weapons?"

The poll results are far from what they expected!

"Should civilians be allowed to carry concealed weapons?"
Results:
"Yes" - 98%
"No" - 1%
"I don't know" - 1%

To participate in the poll, go to the WAGV website, and look about half-way down on the right-hand side.

[markd_nscr986 0]

Guess which category I voted for

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[PhreeZone 20]

Well, its kinda a screwed poll now. The issue is that if it was truely a random sampling of the population the numbers would be one way, if its just their target audience its going to be another but once you start flooding causal websites and getting other target audiences to skew the results the poll is meaning less.

Its happened with DZ.com too. Someone enters a photo in a contest and wants to win so they post the voting link here. Its really not fair since the contest was to be for readers of a newspaper or what ever.

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[LawnDart21 0]

I can see the organization's logic in their request (from their point of view), but the only people that it will affect are the good law abding citizens. If this reduction were to actually occur, criminals would continue to have and carry guns, and that puts the now unarmed citizen (aka "the good guys"), at a further diadvantage.

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[Jib 0]

The poll's response is bound to piss someone off.

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[cvfd1399 0]

It still shows 98:1:1 I am questioning it. It is still funny that on a website that is out to keep people from having guns there is a poll where 98%of the people think otherwise

[PhreeZone 20]

No, whats happened is once the link got posted to "pro gun" websites, those users were able to flood the poll and override the original poll results.

Can you imagine a poll on the front of DZ.com asking "Is skydiving a stupid sport?" Of course all the jumpers will say no, but if the link to the poll suddenly hit a lot of pilot and airplane owner fourms I bet the Yes replies would skyrocket in no time.

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[skydyvr 0]

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No, whats happened is once the link got posted to "pro gun" websites, those users were able to flood the poll and override the original poll results.

So you're saying skydivers are "pro gun"? How do you know which other sites the link got posted to?

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[JohnRich 4]

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No, whats happened is once the link got posted to "pro gun" websites, those users were able to flood the poll and override the original poll results.

The problem with this theory is that the poll will also be certainly posted on anti-gun websites also. The anti-gun folks will flood the poll with their votes too. Therefore, whatever "flooding" occurs should still be in equal proportions to whatever those two camps represent in the general population. Thus, I would think that the end result should still be a general representation of the strengths of those two groups.

[crozby 0]

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Thus, I would think that the end result should still be a general representation of the strengths of those two groups.

If 98% of the population agree with you, why do you post so much pro-gun stuff on this website? Wouldn't that be a bit of waste of time, like posting news articles and studies on how breathing air is good for us?

More seriously, do you work for the NRA?

[JohnRich 4]

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If 98% of the population agree with you, why do you post so much pro-gun stuff on this website? Wouldn't that be a bit of waste of time, like posting news articles and studies on how breathing air is good for us? More seriously, do you work for the NRA?

We're only talking about concealed carry here, and much of the population does agree with that, as something like 38 of the states have passed such laws through their legislators. A few more are adding to that total every year.

I post such items to dispel the myths perpetrated by the anti-gun organizations and press who either haven't informed themselves of the facts, or don't care about the facts, and the citizens who are misled to believe those myths. There are still plenty of them out there.

I do not work for the NRA.

I'm just wondering how much longer the WAGV's will leave that poll on their website. Usually when something like this doesn't go their way, the plug is quickly pulled on it. It will be interesting to see how long that takes to happen here. (Going out on a limb with a prediction...)

[AggieDave 6]

According to Packing.org there are 35 states with right to carry laws.

I was trying to find the total number of people with licenses, but I couldn't find that nationwide number.

So basically the majority of the US supports the right to carry.

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[markd_nscr986 0]

Good news is that within the past couple of weeks,Texas and Colorado have signed a reciprocity agreement; a Texas CCW is now recognized in Colo. and vice-versa

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[AggieDave 6]

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Good news is that within the past couple of weeks,Texas and Colorado have signed a reciprocity agreement

That is good news. Eventually it will get to the point where there's only a handful of states that right to carry folks can't carry in, when traveling to different states.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[crozby 0]

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I do not work for the NRA.

Well maybe you should. I was opposed to citizens having guns before i encountered SC and now after reading countless threads by yourself, aggiedave, kennedy etc. i've been converted. Halleluja
(although if they introduced them in the uk with the current drinking culture there would be old western movie style gun-totin bar-brawl massacres at closing time every night, but that's a different issue to be solved)

[AggieDave 6]

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although if they introduced them in the uk with the current drinking culture there would be old western movie style gun-totin bar-brawl massacres at closing time every night,

I thought in the past day or two they passed a law making it legal for a bar to stay open 24hrs...

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[crozby 0]

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I thought in the past day or two they passed a law making it legal for a bar to stay open 24hrs...

Yeah, central government has, but many local councils are still saying they will impose restrictions.

There's a real binge dinking epidemic here amongst the 16-25 year olds, I dunno if the new laws will make the situation better or worse and i'm not sure the government does either.

The centres of most UK towns and cities become like drunk warzones every Friday and Saturday night, with lots of fighting, puking and pissing in the streets and people being carted off by the police.

The only place i can compare it to I've seen in the US is Bourbon St. in New Orleans except without the fun holday atmosphere of the place.

[AggieDave 6]

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The centres of most UK towns and cities become like drunk warzones every Friday and Saturday night, with lots of fighting, puking and pissing in the streets and people being carted off by the police.

The only place i can compare it to I've seen in the US is Bourbon St. in New Orleans except without the fun holday atmosphere of the place.

Wow.

You know, I had read about it, but thought the media was blowing it out of proportion (as they tend to do here).

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[crozby 0]

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You know, I had read about it, but thought the media was blowing it out of proportion (as they tend to do here).

The media do that here too big time, but it is a serious problem nonetheless.

[Newbie 0]

what checks are made upon a person before they are allowed to carry a concealed handgun? I know it depends on one state to the next, but are there some generic tests that are conducted? How "easy" is it to get one, if you just wanted one, and hadn't been mugged before/were not female etc?

There are people who i would have no problem if they carried a concealed gun - they seem responsible, mature, calm people, not quick to get angry and have, like Aggiedave, been on some kind of tactical self defense course etc.

There are also WAY more people out there who i think, were they to be allowed to carry a gun, be a danger to themselves and society at large. These are the people you have to worry about. How does one go about assessing who should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon?
Also is it mandatory to have gone on weapons training of some kind before a concealed carry permit is issued?

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[markd_nscr986 0]

***The centres of most UK towns and cities become like drunk warzones every Friday and Saturday night, with lots of fighting, puking and pissing in the streets and people being carted off by the police.



Only solution I see to the deplorable situation in the UK........Prohibition!

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[AggieDave 6]

All I can speak for is Texas, since that's what I know, but I also know that many other states are similar to Texas in operations in regards to the CHL. Although, there are a few that are not even close, and down right scary, but that's changing.

If you have more then a speeding ticket that you paid for on your record, you pretty much don't get a license. You go through a state background check and a background check with the FBI. Then you sit through a 2 day course, 1 day of classroom and another day of shooting. The classroom is the harder part...well, not hard, its all about the law for your state in regards to defense. So it does kind of grind on slowly, BUT its very important. The 2nd day is range day, shooting. Actually a blind midget with no arms could pass the shooting test, that's the one thing I don't like. On the flip side, most of the CHL types I've met (I've met a LOT at different gun shows, gun shops, etc) go out of their way to get better training and practice, its important to them, just as it is important to me.

After all of that you send in your packet to the state and 4-6 months later you might get your license. After the scoring of your tests, putting your fingerprints on file, the background checks and so forth. You can not carry until you actually get a license back. If you get one.

Not only that but it is fairly expensive to get the license, so its something you've got to want to do, not something you do for fun or anything else along those lines.


At any time your license can be revoked if you get more then a speeding ticket (that's oversimplified, but the easiest way to explain it). Also, any LEO can legally disarm you if he/she thinks you are a danger. That's as far as the law goes, so basically if you get pulled over and you're in an extreme state of agitation, the cop can legally ask for your weapon. Take it with him and basically impound it. If this happens, your license is reviewed and you could actually loose your license.



Did that help?

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[PhreeZone 20]

See, Ohio is very different. They had CCL's in the hands of applicants with in 30 days. And its almost a gaurentee to get your CCL since you have to actually go through the Sheriff to get all your application approvals so by that point its almost a sure thing.

One thing that both sides fought long over here was Psych profiling for applicants. One side wanted basic testing to see if there were any major issues just under the surface, the other said that thats automatically assuming permit applicants would have a mental issue and thats wrong. Currently there is no testing beyond hitting the broudside of a barn with your handgun.

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[AggieDave 6]

Yeah, I know that some states have serious problems.

On the flip side, I know that the states where I can carry in that state and CHLs from that state can carry in Texas have similar programs as Texas (which I believe is a decent program).

http://www.packing.org

A lot of good info there.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[JohnRich 4]

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I was opposed to citizens having guns before i encountered SC and now after reading countless threads by yourself, aggiedave, kennedy etc. i've been converted. Halleluja

Thank you for that endorsement, and for having an open mind on the issue. Congratulations on joining the ranks of freedom and personal responsibility.