EU may ban Nazi symbols...

[crozby 0]

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If he actually meant western europe, or old europe, the what he said is true to a point.

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Western Europe is becoming ... there is no freedom of press or in some cases political expression.

This statement is nonsense. I don't know which western European nations he is referring to. When you refer to 'your local press' what press do you mean?

[mr2mk1g 10]

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there is no freedom of press or in some cases political expression

I presume he's referring to other countries... not here. If he's talking about here his wrong... so he must be talking about elsewhere.

People often forget that Western Europe has numerous vastly different legal systems. Dunno... some places may match his observation... I don't live there though.

[riggerrob 644]

If you want to ban swastikas, then maybe you should ban the three-legged swastika used by The Skydivers Outlet in Deland.
Hee!
Hee!
Seriously, exponents of failed political parties: Nazis, Marxist-Leninists, Stalinists, KKK, White Supremacists, Khymer Rouge, etc. should be allowed to wear thier symbols in public, so the rest of us can have a good laugh.
The ultimate laugh comes after an impressionable young man grows up to learn what his tattoo really means!
As for the drunken prince wearing a swastika ... what are the British press really trying to distract us from?
Hmm?

[Gawain 0]

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If he actually meant western europe, or old europe, the what he said is true to a point.

He said:

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Western Europe is becoming ... there is no freedom of press or in some cases political expression.

This statement is nonsense. I don't know which western European nations he is referring to. When you refer to 'your local press' what press do you mean?

It is my understanding, and I could be wrong (in which case there are many here that wouldn't hesitate to correct me) that the following is true in these countries:

UK: Newspapers routinely do not print material for fear of political retribution. Recently a story about Princess Diana was suppressed at the request of the government.

France: Students are no longer allowed to express their religion (regardless of doctrine)

Germany: The promotion of "national socialism" is not allowed in either the printed press, or in the political system (not that they want to go that route again, but it is still a form of censorship).

Now, the EU is considering "banning" the swastika. May as well just stick your head in the sand.

I am more than willing to admit my mistakes if there are any, feel free to clear them up.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[christelsabine 1]

What is so hard to understand that every country in (Good Old) Europe is acting at its own behalf? Like the US is doing? But, the big difference is:

Finally we do respect our neighbours borders, it is not the job of one country to control the behaviours of the next one. The Europeans deal with each other and do not try to put their stamp on the next one.

So, f.e. here in Germany, if we decide not to let the idiots of Nazis have their own press/media show, that's fully acceptable! Just imagine, we would let them go: The world, at first, the USofA, would do an outcry, Holy Moses! Look, it starts again....They promote them again! and bla bla ....

Perhaps, there is kind of misunderstanding between the US and Europe, as in Europe are too many countries and thus, for USA is hard to understand. Perhaps, the US will need time to learn there are differences but: In fact that's Europe. As a whole. We work on that (I do hope )

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[Gawain 0]

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What is so hard to understand that every country in (Good Old) Europe is acting at its own behalf? Like the US is doing? But, the big difference is:

Finally we do respect our neighbours borders, it is not the job of one country to control the behaviours of the next one. The Europeans deal with each other and do not try to put their stamp on the next one.

So, f.e. here in Germany, if we decide not to let the idiots of Nazis have their own press/media show, that's fully acceptable! Just imagine, we would let them go: The world, at first, the USofA, would do an outcry, Holy Moses! Look, it starts again....They promote them again! and bla bla ....

Perhaps, there is kind of misunderstanding between the US and Europe, as in Europe are too many countries and thus, for USA is hard to understand. Perhaps, the US will need time to learn there are differences but: In fact that's Europe. As a whole. We work on that (I do hope )

You completely misunderstood my post, and didn't even bother to correct me. Jeez...I left the door wide open. I take it to mean then that my perceptions are correct?

First of all, there is an active, albeit small national socialist politicial party in the US. They appear on ballots for voting, they have demonstrations, they march, everything. Even the KKK has free speech here. Most American's don't care for their message, and some don't understand why they are allowed to carry their message. For it is by allowing them to carry their message that the rest of the country will see them for what they are, and not be attracted by that message at all.

No, it is Europe that just doesn't get it in my opinion. They try to form a union (EU) and they still want their autonomy. Fine. It's doable. The US is comprised of 50 states, each fully capable of governing themselves, which they do. They are a part of a Federal Republic which ties them together under a common constitution.

Alas, I believe that the governments of France and Germany will be the ultimate undermining factor to the Union and without the UK, there's no realistic reason to push the effort further than it has.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[christelsabine 1]

You completely misunderstood my post, and didn't even bother to correct me. Jeez...I left the door wide open. I take it to mean then that my perceptions are correct?

[shropshire 0]

Hi All,

It's not the symbol that is the problem ...... but the symbolism and context.

Banning stuff doesn't work anyway ( I cite Booze during the US's prohibition period, drugs today, sex in the priesthod etc..etc). Open minds are far better exercised than closed ones.

Let's get real here, we need to ensure that the 20th century use of the Swastika in Germany and what that country stood for (at that time in history) is NOT forgotten.

Remember & Teach...... dont just hide.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome