jumper03 0
And closer to the point of banning - will banning a symbol get to the root of the problem? Will banning the symbol change the feelings and perceptions of the people that it represents? It's just some ink on paper.
No. Of course, not. But, do we always have to dive deep into something? I'm really sure, banning this symbol will change nothing. But to hold a drunken boy responsible, will this change anything?
We should learn to deal with s*** from our past, I'm talking for my country.
This little boy still has to go his own way, a long way. Has nothing to do with my country or our old symbols.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
kbordson 8
I think this whole event has been blown way out of proportion. Granted, Prince Harry was unwise in choosing that costume but his "crime" was not anywhere near the outcry that it has brought. Again, very unwise, especially considering the public role that he must always try to live up to (it must be worse than being a movie star). But he was going to a COSTUME party... not a hitler youth meeting. The costume did not necessarily reflect his views or beliefs, just as someone dressed at that devil is not mandatorily evil.(mandatorily? yeah- it's a word, in my special dictionary) Don't think me insensitive for the tragedy in WWII - it was a horrible war; lots of death, pain and hell... but he didn't cause it, and he didn't verbalize support for it (not anymore than a person dressed as a witch on Halloween is verbalizing support of the Wiccan beliefs). He's just a kid that didn't think things through.
I just don't understand the logic in thinking that banning the swastika will change perceptions. It seems like just a knee jerk reaction. Most personal perceptions and biases are based on personal opinion and beliefs, some thought out and some just passed on from generations (which, as we know is not the case here) - but not based on what is and isn't legal/banned today.
Just more foolish legislation. Sorry it's happening across the pond, but glad it isn't just in the US.
Silly Lawyers
I just don't understand the logic in thinking that banning the swastika will change perceptions. It seems like just a knee jerk reaction. Most personal perceptions and biases are based on personal opinion and beliefs, some thought out and some just passed on from generations (which, as we know is not the case here) - but not based on what is and isn't legal/banned today.
Just more foolish legislation. Sorry it's happening across the pond, but glad it isn't just in the US.
Silly Lawyers
ahegeman 0
QuoteLet the morons wear the sign of their stupidity clearly for all to see.
Well spoken, Eric.
Of course, the EU will also be banning the Hammer & Sickle, right? Naziism was small potatoes compared to the evil of Communism. Too bad that Communist chic is alive and well. Being half Cuban, I certainly appreciated all the ignorant fuckwits walking around in college with Che shirts on. When will people ever learn?
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QuoteWe should learn to deal with s*** from our past, I'm talking for my country.
I agree wholeheartedly. This period of history has been buried for far too long under the horror of one aspect of the period and an insane legal finding of "Collective National Guilt"!!! The actions of SOME German nationals during 1919-1945 should be looked at carefully and calmly - the better to ensure that it does not happen again.
The simple banning of a few symbols and pictures will never prevent the rise of a regime of similar character. A knowledge of WHY the nation most tolerant of Jews at the time should have swung to become one of the most violetly anti-semitic is vital. Many other countries today would benefit from this knowledge.
For this to happen the attitude to Nazi symbols of "not in front of the children" and "scaring the horses" must be abandned.
Mike.
Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.
Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.
I wonder if France is planning on tearing up the floor of Amiens Cathedral...
Erroll 80
QuoteBut he was going to a COSTUME party... not a hitler youth meeting.
Precisely. And the theme of the party was "Out of Africa". In my opinion he showed some initiative by dressing up (albeit somewhat unsuccessfully) as a member of the Afrika Korps rather than the usual boring fare.
As someone once said:- Much ado about nothing.
QuoteI certainly appreciated all the ignorant fuckwits walking around in college with Che shirts on
Hahahahahaha!
I agree there. They read his writing and say "man, this guy was one hell of a thinker" etc, but if they look at history and who he was...d'oh, different person.
I like to tell people to read all they can about Marxism, then study Leninism and then study Stalinism. Then start learning about the other "communist" nations and movements around the world.
Some people don't understand the many different facets of socialism and then what the great "socialists" in history truely were.
They get so caught up in being hip and trendy with their ultra-liberal buddies that they don't understand whats really at work.
As for the Nazi symbols and the ban...
Well, sure, push it under the rug, make it go away and then the world will have to fight another war against a Nazi like regime at some point in the future.
Personally, I've spent a great deal of my last 8 years reading and learning all I could about the Nazi movement, Hitler, the Third Reich and German culture...as well as the Tsarist Russia, the revolution, the Soviet Union and the facets of the leaders, their policies, the "real" people living in the countries and such.
Why?
Well, for one both of those directly and drastically impacted the world to make it what it is today, so it helps me understand a lot of current geopolitical movements, but it also shows me the very depths of evilness that humanity can reach. I think its an imporant lesson to be learned. Learning it, I believe, has made me a more rounded individual as well as more intune to why the world is like it is now.
Trying to forget history and ban history from the concious will not make it go away, it will however guaruntee that it will repeat again in the not too distant future (next 200 years).
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
In my european country the nazi symbols are not banned, but If you wear one you run into trouble, because the cops will find something to give you a ticket. I do not think you are allowed to enter a bar wearing one.
Each year we still celebrate our liberation. Good point from a skydiver point of view is all the exibition jumps. I once even made a tandemexibition jump with a real WW2 vetaran as passenger out of a DC3 (in the band of brothers colours, came just of the set)
Exibition jumps with a tandem are not forbidden in the Netherlands.
Of course the Nazi's did a lot af horrible things to the people of their own country and other countries, but...
They prevented communism to spread over western europe
I love my 14year old Volkswagen 250.000km never broke down and really cheap to drive.
Who started to built the nice autobahn's in germany on which we can drive as fast as we want (I also own a Mitsubishi Sigma 3.0 V6)
(Sorry for the US, both VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side)
For all the german readers,
Yes I'm dutch (Ich bin ein kaaskop)
Yes, I have a yellow licence plate
No, I never made an accident on the autobahn
Yes, I always hope germany wins in soccer games
(I hate soccer and the orange shit)
No I do not hate germans. I made much more skydives in germany last year, because I life 30km from the border (between venlo and eindhoven)
Greetings to all
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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig
Each year we still celebrate our liberation. Good point from a skydiver point of view is all the exibition jumps. I once even made a tandemexibition jump with a real WW2 vetaran as passenger out of a DC3 (in the band of brothers colours, came just of the set)
Exibition jumps with a tandem are not forbidden in the Netherlands.
Of course the Nazi's did a lot af horrible things to the people of their own country and other countries, but...
They prevented communism to spread over western europe
I love my 14year old Volkswagen 250.000km never broke down and really cheap to drive.
Who started to built the nice autobahn's in germany on which we can drive as fast as we want (I also own a Mitsubishi Sigma 3.0 V6)
(Sorry for the US, both VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side)
For all the german readers,
Yes I'm dutch (Ich bin ein kaaskop)
Yes, I have a yellow licence plate
No, I never made an accident on the autobahn
Yes, I always hope germany wins in soccer games
(I hate soccer and the orange shit)
No I do not hate germans. I made much more skydives in germany last year, because I life 30km from the border (between venlo and eindhoven)
Greetings to all
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Using your droque to gain stability is a bad habit,
Especially when you are jumping a sport rig
Tonto 1
QuoteWill the color scheme or red, white and black be banned?
Ooh! Time for a new Birdman suit! Any excuse is good enough for more toys!
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It's the year of the Pig.
You have to remember that Prince Harry is Prince Philips (THE master of 'foot in mouth' syndrome) grandson, so it doesnt suprise me young Harrys been a bit obilvious to his own insensitivities.
Wearing the nazi uniform so close to the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz does put old Philips gaffes in the shade a bit though (on a visit to China he remarked to a group of young Brits that "if they stayed here much longer, they'd all have slitty eyes" and on a tour round a hospital in the UK asked a disabled woman in a wheelchair if "people tripped over her?"![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]")
Kind of confirms my suspicion that being gaffe prone is hereditary 
I just like to sit back and let the royals get on with it...makes for amusing news stories
In all seriousness, the UK press have blown this way out of proportion. Hundreds of thousands of people have just died/been seriously injured/lost loved ones in Asia and all the UK tabloids can focus on is the antics of Prince Harry at a private party. Yes Harry made a mistake, but he's apologised for it and thats where the matter should end.
Russ
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Wearing the nazi uniform so close to the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz does put old Philips gaffes in the shade a bit though (on a visit to China he remarked to a group of young Brits that "if they stayed here much longer, they'd all have slitty eyes" and on a tour round a hospital in the UK asked a disabled woman in a wheelchair if "people tripped over her?"
Kind of confirms my suspicion that being gaffe prone is hereditary
I just like to sit back and let the royals get on with it...makes for amusing news stories
In all seriousness, the UK press have blown this way out of proportion. Hundreds of thousands of people have just died/been seriously injured/lost loved ones in Asia and all the UK tabloids can focus on is the antics of Prince Harry at a private party. Yes Harry made a mistake, but he's apologised for it and thats where the matter should end.
Russ
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteYes Harry made a mistake, but he's apologised for it and thats where the matter should end.
having some experience with teen royalty, it would not surprise me if it wasn't just a gaffe. Though, those kids are in a situation I would not even wish on my worst enemy....
I love my 14year old Volkswagen 250.000km never broke down and really cheap to drive.
Who started to built the nice autobahn's in germany on which we can drive as fast as we want (I also own a Mitsubishi Sigma 3.0 V6)
(Sorry for the US, both VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side)
For all the german readers,
Yes I'm dutch (Ich bin ein kaaskop)
Yes, I have a yellow licence plate
No, I never made an accident on the autobahn
Yes, I always hope germany wins in soccer games
(I hate soccer and the orange shit)
No I do not hate germans. I made much more skydives in germany last year, because I life 30km from the border (between venlo and eindhoven)
Greetings to all
Who started to built the nice autobahn's in germany on which we can drive as fast as we want (I also own a Mitsubishi Sigma 3.0 V6)
(Sorry for the US, both VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side)
For all the german readers,
Yes I'm dutch (Ich bin ein kaaskop)
Yes, I have a yellow licence plate
No, I never made an accident on the autobahn
Yes, I always hope germany wins in soccer games
(I hate soccer and the orange shit)
No I do not hate germans. I made much more skydives in germany last year, because I life 30km from the border (between venlo and eindhoven)
Greetings to all
Aaah! I see. You were the kaaskop with the yellow panel blocking the lane with his old vehicle when I tried to reach Teuge in daylight around X-Mas.
Be aware that I shall enter into the NL soon again, your DZs are nice!
You hope Germans will win in soccer?!?! Against the Oranjes? No, impossible. That would totally twist German soccer fans hating the Dutch ones
Seriously said, from my experience, the Dutch still are hating Germans more than any other European country does (perhaps UK?). And OTOH, they accepted and loved Beatrix' husband that much, right?
dudeist skydiver # 3105
mr2mk1g 10
Quotestill are hating Germans more than any other European country does (perhaps UK?)
ahh, we only hate you cos we don't want to admit we have so much in common with you.
Besides... it's the frogs we really hate
Quoteboth VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side
VW was broke and broken at the end of WW2, though. VW as the world got to know it after the war wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the good business practices of an English Colonel rebuilding it and starting the full on production of the Type 1 (beetle) and beginning the official export to the US in 1949 with 2 beetles.
The rest is history, a they say.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."
QuoteThey prevented communism to spread over western europe
I think the Americans and the allied forces deserve more credit than the Nazis for keeping communism out of Western Europe.
Quote(Sorry for the US, both VW and Mitsibushi made a lot of money during WW2. Not at the allied side)
So did Renault, producing for the German army. Hence it nationalization after the liberation as punishment (which has now turned back to haunt the French government for several decades...).
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
He's just a little drunken boy. Why to give this story such a big importance? He showed a good taste with his SA girl friend, she really is hot. Let him play. Reality will come too soon in his life.
agreed. And closer to the point of banning - will banning a symbol get to the root of the problem? Will banning the symbol change the feelings and perceptions of the people that it represents? It's just some ink on paper.