Kennedy 0 #1 January 15, 2005 Another home owner shoots an armed robber and is arrested on gun charges. That's what you get for defending your family and you castle in some places. http://www2.townonline.com/allston/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=165431 QuoteMan shoots would-be robber; is arrested on gun charges By Erin Smith/ Staff Writer Friday, January 14, 2005 A would-be robber became a victim of his own crime last week after he was shot in the stomach by a Brighton man he was trying to rob, police said. Police arrested Sean E. Roisten, 29, of 833 Jette Court, and charged him with unlawful possession of a firearm and assault and battery with a deadly weapon on a robber who was holding Roisten's wife at gunpoint. The robbery suspect was transported to the hospital for a gunshot wound to the stomach. The suspect is expected to live. Police seized $59.25, three lighters, a set of keys, a box of Newport cigarettes, a tape cassette, a miniature toy gun, steel wool and a glass tube from the suspect. Police also seized a gun shell fragment with human tissue on it that was removed from the suspect. Police are trying to work through various witness accounts and the crime is currently under investigation. Roisten told police he was upstairs in his apartment with his wife and 5-year-old daughter waiting for his friend to return from the store with food when he heard a someone at the front door. Roisten called out, but was met with silence, and his wife went downstairs to see who was at the door, police said. When Roisten's wife opened the door, she was greeted by two men in ski masks and one man forced her back up the stairs at gunpoint, police said. "He's got a gun!" Roisten told police he heard his wife scream as she was pushed up the stairs. Roisten told police he ran up to the third floor, retrieved his silver Smith and Wesson .40 caliber handgun and took cover behind a kitchen wall. When Roisten peeked around the hallway corner, he saw the robber emerge from the stairs holding his wife in a choke hold and pointing a black handgun at her head, police said. The armed robber demanded money. Roisten said he had no money, but told the robber he could take anything from the house if he freed his wife, according to police. The second ski mask-clad man then called up to the gunman that it was time to leave. The gunman began descending the stairs with Roisten's wife, police said. Roisten told police he rushed the stairs, slid down the railing, bent the suspect's right wrist and took possession of the gun. Later, police received a call for a gunshot victim at 1505 Commonwealth Ave. Roisten then claimed he disarmed the suspect with his left hand and shot the suspect with his right as the suspect fled out of the front door, police said. In the rear of 1505 Commonwealth Ave., police found a Sony hand camcorder, a black ski mask and a white skull cap. All were held as evidence. A short while later, Roisten's friend returned to the apartment with a gash on the top of his head. The friend told police that while on his way to the store, he encountered a man in front of 32 Fidelis Way who claimed to have lost his keys. When the friend offered to help him find them, the man pulled out a handgun and forced him inside the hallway of 32 Fidelis Way, where they were joined by the second suspect, police said. The first suspect demanded, "Give me Sean's keys," but when the victim told the gunmen he did not know what they were talking about, they struck him over the head with the pistol numerous times, police said. The victim told police he eventually gave the suspects his own keys. The suspects then bound the victim's hands behind his back with a belt and his ankles with his shoelaces. The victim finally worked himself free and returned to his friend's apartment. After giving his account to the police, the victim was taken to St. Elizabeth's for medical treatment. Police found that Roisten's license to carry a gun expired last August and arrested him. Police took custody of Roisten's gun and the black Colt .45 handgun that Roisten claimed he took from the suspect.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 January 15, 2005 QuotePolice arrested Sean E. Roisten, 29, of 833 Jette Court, and charged him with unlawful possession of a firearm and assault and battery with a deadly weapon QuotePolice found that Roisten's license to carry a gun expired last August and arrested him. This doesn't make sense. If he had a permit to carry a gun and it expired, why would keeping a gun in his home be illegal? Doesn't the requirement for a carry permit only apply outside the home? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #3 January 15, 2005 Ahhh yes........Massachusetts,I should've known We have laws against that kind of BS in Colo.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 January 15, 2005 QuoteAnother home owner shoots an armed robber and is arrested on gun charges. That's what you get for defending your family and you castle in some places. Quote No. That's what you get when treatening (considering) weapons of every kind as a tool, to be used in daily life. Free approach for everybody. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #5 January 15, 2005 would you be happier if the robber had shot the guy's wife?? Weapons ARE tools, but they are tools to be used for a specific purpose, not for every-day situations. You wouldn't use a chain saw to slice carrots, would you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RoadRash 0 #6 January 15, 2005 QuoteWeapons ARE tools, but they are tools to be used for a specific purpose, not for every-day situations. I agree...if my family was threatened...particularly at gun point...I wouldn't hesitate to use weapons and force to prove my point... QuoteYou wouldn't use a chain saw to slice carrots, would you? Despite the serious subject...I really liked this comment...I thought it was funny......That and I have some friends who would probably do that...... ~R+R...Yes, I'm alive......~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #7 January 15, 2005 Once again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #8 January 15, 2005 QuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. So the criminals are not people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #9 January 16, 2005 QuoteSo the criminals are not people? Nice try. You know what I'm saying, even though you're trying to pull attention away from the purpose of this thread and start a side debate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #10 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo the criminals are not people? Nice try. You know what I'm saying, even though you're trying to pull attention away from the purpose of this thread and start a side debate. LOL ... what I am really trying hard is to finish analysis of huge chunk of data and go out tonight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck278 0 #11 January 16, 2005 "The first suspect demanded, "Give me Sean's keys," but when the victim told the gunmen he did not know what they were talking about, they struck him over the head with the pistol numerous times, police said. The victim told police he eventually gave the suspects his own keys." Sounds like this is more than just an attempt at home invasion. He wanted the keys and knew the mans name, could be the police are just using the gun charge to hold the home owner until they can investigate further into somthing else. just a thought. Steve Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EBSB52 0 #12 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. So the criminals are not people? They're aliens..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Salsa_John 0 #13 January 16, 2005 See this thread http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1436128;search_string=gun;#1436128 "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #14 January 16, 2005 QuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. Same here. Hear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #15 January 16, 2005 I personally wouldn't shoot the guy if I had disarmed him and he was trying to leave my house. However, trying to disarm someone by wrestling the gun out of their hand is damn risky. I would just shoot him if I felt I or my family was threatened. If he was leaving, I'd stay in the house and call the cops. Guns are for protecting lives, not property. IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #16 January 16, 2005 QuoteHear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? No, I haven't...that sounds bad, is it bad?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #17 January 16, 2005 QuoteGuns are for protecting lives, not property. IMHO While I agree with you, I am glad that the state of Texas has laws in place that allows for the protection of property with force. It gives law abiding citizens leeway, keeping law abiding citizens from going to prison for simply trying to protect themselves in their homes...as what happened in this case (and in many other cases).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #18 January 16, 2005 QuoteI personally wouldn't shoot the guy if I had disarmed him and he was trying to leave my house. I believe it is unlawful to use deadly force unless your life is being threatened, but I'm not too sure of the laws here. I wouldn't shoot either, but I'd sure as hell try to detain them if I wasn't putting myself or others in danger. Quote However, trying to disarm someone by wrestling the gun out of their hand is damn risky. I would just shoot him if I felt I or my family was threatened. Risky, but if the guy was holding on to his wife, it may have been less risky than shooting near his wife. Quote If he was leaving, I'd stay in the house and call the cops. Guns are for protecting lives, not property. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites justinb138 0 #19 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteHear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? No, I haven't...that sounds bad, is it bad? Depends on your perspective. My recollection might not be completely accurate, but I'll tell ya what I remember. A few months back a 16 y/o kid led the garland PD on a chase down the highway for a while on a Sportbike. He eventually decided it was a good idea to pull over and stop. Upon stopping a Police car pulled in front of him, officer got out and tackeled him (while on the bike). The officer dove at him, took him off the bike, w/o even touching the bike, it was quite a funny video actually. There was another incident a few months after that where someone was "roughed up" after being cuffed I think as well. Some see it as excessive force, but I have no sympathy for criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflight 0 #20 January 16, 2005 the lesson is clear, renew your licence and fire at will. my neighbor emptied his magazine into my other neighbor who desided that he needed something in the guys house. I think he even had his house cleaned for free. he had current licence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #21 January 16, 2005 QuoteSome see it as excessive force, but I have no sympathy for criminals. Its a very thin line sometimes, enough force to stop the situation but not too much force. After putting hundreds and hundreds of people's lives in danger by not pulling over and going high speed isn't very nice of that kid, either.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #22 January 16, 2005 In some jurisdictions, just the presence of the intruder inside your home can give you self defense privilege. In other jurisdictions, they must be directly threatening your life. Depends on the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #23 January 16, 2005 QuoteIts a very thin line sometimes, enough force to stop the situation but not too much force. That's the truth, you don't shoot to wound, you don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop. And I do agree with the laws in Texas. You should be able to defend your property. I still wouldn't want to shoot unless the guy was coming at me or had a firearm. Laws in Washington State are pretty liberal in self defense. In fact, I've seen a case or two where I thought the shooter should have gone to jail (back to jail, in this case) but didn't. Washington State was one of the first states to have "shall issue" laws for concealed pistol licenses. How's that for enlightend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #24 January 16, 2005 QuoteWashington State was one of the first states to have "shall issue" laws for concealed pistol licenses. How's that for enlightend? That law in Texas was tried to be pased for over 100 years. What it took was a whack job walking into Luby's in Kileen and shooting a lot of people. There were even citizens in there that were illegally carrying handguns in their vehicles but had left it in their vehicle. Since a citizen, if they had been legally armed could have stopped the massacre, the law was quickly passed due to public outrage. Of course the chance of that happening again are right next to winning the lotto twice...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #25 January 17, 2005 The law passed in Washington in, I think, 1961. One of the survivors of the Luby's murders, who watched her parent get killed after she escaped thru a window, went into politics to change the concealed weapons laws. She had a gun in her car, but, being a good citizen, had not taken it into the restaurant. When I drop into my kids' schools, my gun locked "safely" away in the car, and I push open the school door with it's "Gun Free Zone" sticker prominently displayed, I can't think of it as anything but a "victim disarmament zone." I don't think any mass murderer will be deterred by that little law. That law and that sticker do not make my children one bit safer. I think it's the state of Vermont which allows all citizens 21 and over, in good standing with the law, to carry concealed handguns without a permit, even onto school property. Students, of course, are under 21, and aren't allowed to posses firearms, but the parents and teachers can. No wonder Vermont doesn't have much of a reputation for crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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Nightingale 0 #5 January 15, 2005 would you be happier if the robber had shot the guy's wife?? Weapons ARE tools, but they are tools to be used for a specific purpose, not for every-day situations. You wouldn't use a chain saw to slice carrots, would you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoadRash 0 #6 January 15, 2005 QuoteWeapons ARE tools, but they are tools to be used for a specific purpose, not for every-day situations. I agree...if my family was threatened...particularly at gun point...I wouldn't hesitate to use weapons and force to prove my point... QuoteYou wouldn't use a chain saw to slice carrots, would you? Despite the serious subject...I really liked this comment...I thought it was funny......That and I have some friends who would probably do that...... ~R+R...Yes, I'm alive......~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Fly the friendly skies...^_^...})ii({...^_~... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 January 15, 2005 Once again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #8 January 15, 2005 QuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. So the criminals are not people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 January 16, 2005 QuoteSo the criminals are not people? Nice try. You know what I'm saying, even though you're trying to pull attention away from the purpose of this thread and start a side debate.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #10 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo the criminals are not people? Nice try. You know what I'm saying, even though you're trying to pull attention away from the purpose of this thread and start a side debate. LOL ... what I am really trying hard is to finish analysis of huge chunk of data and go out tonight Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck278 0 #11 January 16, 2005 "The first suspect demanded, "Give me Sean's keys," but when the victim told the gunmen he did not know what they were talking about, they struck him over the head with the pistol numerous times, police said. The victim told police he eventually gave the suspects his own keys." Sounds like this is more than just an attempt at home invasion. He wanted the keys and knew the mans name, could be the police are just using the gun charge to hold the home owner until they can investigate further into somthing else. just a thought. Steve Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EBSB52 0 #12 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. So the criminals are not people? They're aliens..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salsa_John 0 #13 January 16, 2005 See this thread http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1436128;search_string=gun;#1436128 "You did what?!?!" MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #14 January 16, 2005 QuoteOnce again, I'm very glad I live in Texas where the laws are setup for the people and not the criminals. Same here. Hear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 January 16, 2005 I personally wouldn't shoot the guy if I had disarmed him and he was trying to leave my house. However, trying to disarm someone by wrestling the gun out of their hand is damn risky. I would just shoot him if I felt I or my family was threatened. If he was leaving, I'd stay in the house and call the cops. Guns are for protecting lives, not property. IMHO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #16 January 16, 2005 QuoteHear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? No, I haven't...that sounds bad, is it bad?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 January 16, 2005 QuoteGuns are for protecting lives, not property. IMHO While I agree with you, I am glad that the state of Texas has laws in place that allows for the protection of property with force. It gives law abiding citizens leeway, keeping law abiding citizens from going to prison for simply trying to protect themselves in their homes...as what happened in this case (and in many other cases).--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #18 January 16, 2005 QuoteI personally wouldn't shoot the guy if I had disarmed him and he was trying to leave my house. I believe it is unlawful to use deadly force unless your life is being threatened, but I'm not too sure of the laws here. I wouldn't shoot either, but I'd sure as hell try to detain them if I wasn't putting myself or others in danger. Quote However, trying to disarm someone by wrestling the gun out of their hand is damn risky. I would just shoot him if I felt I or my family was threatened. Risky, but if the guy was holding on to his wife, it may have been less risky than shooting near his wife. Quote If he was leaving, I'd stay in the house and call the cops. Guns are for protecting lives, not property. Agreed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #19 January 16, 2005 QuoteQuoteHear about any of the stuff thats been happening up here with the Garland PD lately? No, I haven't...that sounds bad, is it bad? Depends on your perspective. My recollection might not be completely accurate, but I'll tell ya what I remember. A few months back a 16 y/o kid led the garland PD on a chase down the highway for a while on a Sportbike. He eventually decided it was a good idea to pull over and stop. Upon stopping a Police car pulled in front of him, officer got out and tackeled him (while on the bike). The officer dove at him, took him off the bike, w/o even touching the bike, it was quite a funny video actually. There was another incident a few months after that where someone was "roughed up" after being cuffed I think as well. Some see it as excessive force, but I have no sympathy for criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflight 0 #20 January 16, 2005 the lesson is clear, renew your licence and fire at will. my neighbor emptied his magazine into my other neighbor who desided that he needed something in the guys house. I think he even had his house cleaned for free. he had current licence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #21 January 16, 2005 QuoteSome see it as excessive force, but I have no sympathy for criminals. Its a very thin line sometimes, enough force to stop the situation but not too much force. After putting hundreds and hundreds of people's lives in danger by not pulling over and going high speed isn't very nice of that kid, either.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #22 January 16, 2005 In some jurisdictions, just the presence of the intruder inside your home can give you self defense privilege. In other jurisdictions, they must be directly threatening your life. Depends on the area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #23 January 16, 2005 QuoteIts a very thin line sometimes, enough force to stop the situation but not too much force. That's the truth, you don't shoot to wound, you don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop. And I do agree with the laws in Texas. You should be able to defend your property. I still wouldn't want to shoot unless the guy was coming at me or had a firearm. Laws in Washington State are pretty liberal in self defense. In fact, I've seen a case or two where I thought the shooter should have gone to jail (back to jail, in this case) but didn't. Washington State was one of the first states to have "shall issue" laws for concealed pistol licenses. How's that for enlightend? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #24 January 16, 2005 QuoteWashington State was one of the first states to have "shall issue" laws for concealed pistol licenses. How's that for enlightend? That law in Texas was tried to be pased for over 100 years. What it took was a whack job walking into Luby's in Kileen and shooting a lot of people. There were even citizens in there that were illegally carrying handguns in their vehicles but had left it in their vehicle. Since a citizen, if they had been legally armed could have stopped the massacre, the law was quickly passed due to public outrage. Of course the chance of that happening again are right next to winning the lotto twice...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #25 January 17, 2005 The law passed in Washington in, I think, 1961. One of the survivors of the Luby's murders, who watched her parent get killed after she escaped thru a window, went into politics to change the concealed weapons laws. She had a gun in her car, but, being a good citizen, had not taken it into the restaurant. When I drop into my kids' schools, my gun locked "safely" away in the car, and I push open the school door with it's "Gun Free Zone" sticker prominently displayed, I can't think of it as anything but a "victim disarmament zone." I don't think any mass murderer will be deterred by that little law. That law and that sticker do not make my children one bit safer. I think it's the state of Vermont which allows all citizens 21 and over, in good standing with the law, to carry concealed handguns without a permit, even onto school property. Students, of course, are under 21, and aren't allowed to posses firearms, but the parents and teachers can. No wonder Vermont doesn't have much of a reputation for crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
