Another Gun-Control Scheme Fails

[kelpdiver 2]

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I don't understand how this program constitutes gun control?

They tried it, didin't work, so they scrapped it.

Did the program forbid people to buy guns? Did the program prohibit the sale of certain guns?

The consequences of this program and others in MA is that some manufacturers stopped selling there, and others merely increased the prices.

It's gun control going after the source rather than the buyers.

[slug 1]

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We're doomed we're all doomed According to John

As usual when people try to put words in my mouth, the words don't fit. If you're going to try and characterize what I'm saying, you've got to start paying more attention.

John

This isn't a personnel attack but IMO paying any more attention to what you have to say about gun ownwership and our right to bear arms is SOS.

Nothing new just a rerun. So all we can do is agree to disagree laugh about it and move on until the next SOS.

When folks are talking in this forum about dreaming (not you john) about hi capacity mags in their sleep, and wouldn't move to a England because they couldn't take their guns speaks for itself.

As you were
R.I.P.

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***When folks are talking in this forum about dreaming (not you john) about hi capacity mags in their sleep, and wouldn't move to a England because they couldn't take their guns speaks for itself.



Hell,I wouldnt even move to Massachusetts because of their gun lawsmuch less the UK

Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004

[JohnRich 4]

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paying any more attention to what you have to say about gun ownwership and our right to bear arms is SOS.

Then why are you still here in this thread and sending messages to me? Quit wasting your time - get outta here!

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Nothing new just a rerun.

The information was in fact new. Maybe you consider all "gun" topics to be identical, but that is no more true than saying that all skydiving topics are identical. If they are boring you, don't read them.

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When folks are talking... wouldn't move to a England because they couldn't take their guns speaks for itself.

You seem to have a problem with Americans who want to keep their right to own guns. Exactly what is it about that to which you object?

[JohnMitchell 16]

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Confiscation I would certainly call control...

Registration is not the same as confiscation though.

Gun registration is always a prelude to confiscation. It's a slippery slope to start down.

[JohnMitchell 16]

Hey, Slug, you and I are friends. And I know you're a shooter and you know there are people in this country who would love to make us turn in our guns. Don't say that's not true because plenty of politicians have said so.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Hey, Slug, you and I are friends. And I know you're a shooter and you know there are people in this country who would love to make us turn in our guns. Don't say that's not true because plenty of politicians have said so.

It's still on track for the next election in San Francisco.

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Hey, Slug, you and I are friends. And I know you're a shooter and you know there are people in this country who would love to make us turn in our guns. Don't say that's not true because plenty of politicians have said so.

Hi john

Never said there wasn't a gun control lobby, there are two side to very coin, in this case there's the pro gun side vs the gun control side. We all know that.

The NRA is our pro gun lobby and can get out a lot of votes. the NRA piuts out the word the politicans phones start ring they get pro gun mail and they get reelected.

The anti gun folks got some minor laws passed a AR-15 without a bayonet or flash suppressor is still a AR-15. Hi capacity mags for ARs AK's were banned but there was such a large inventory that they were always available at a very reasonable price after the law passed . The price on glock mags went thru the roof but they were still available and what the diff beteen a 19 shot mag and 2 ten shot Mags?.

Politicians want to get elected so some of them listened to the anti gun lobby and got some votes for supporting the Brady Bill which was a joke that really didn't change anything except maybe get them elected.

There's alway been a law on the books for using a gun comiting a crime. Use a gun or threaten to hurt someone with a gun, apply the law just like they did with drug offenders convict and send then to jail for a very long time no plea deal jail.

I've heard this argument for 30 yr's but for some reason the crooks who commit crimes with gun, haven't ben punished to the fullest extent. Why? the crooks don't have a lobby group to represent them a lot of them just have public defenders that do the plea bargain shuffle so the crooks get a relative slap on the wrist. Thats not sending the right kind of negative message to the little or big crooks.

There are people in SC that want to protect their rights by crying chicken little evertime a anti gun incident occur's that's not going to go anywhere like the brady bill. It passed but didn't mean squat.

BTW after the brady bill passed we bough 30 rd mags for our 9mm glock didn't cost anymore than the ripoff 19 rd mags. We go to the TSC load up 200 rds in all our mags and shoot on the same range that the cops practice on. we've never been bitched at for havng a 33rd glock mag by a cop on the range.

As far as voicing my opinion about the repetive posts by certain people about the attacks on our guns rights, don't like my posts don't read them. It's called free speech and I have the same rights as anyone else as long as I play by the rules.

So until you get me banned for voiceing my opinion in SC according to the rules, live with it or contact my employer for surfing the net on their nickel.

BTW I changed my profile in respone to some of the actions from a couple of people in SC.

flame on

R.i.P.

[Kennedy 0]

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It's called free speech and I have the same rights as anyone else as long as I play by the rules.

So until you get me banned for voiceing my opinion in SC according to the rules, live with it or contact my employer for surfing the net on their nickel.

As long as you don't mind me saying that your complaints about John's posts are SOS to me.

ps - iirc, the Bady Bill didn't have anything to do with magazine capacity. that was the AWB part of Clinton's 1994 omnibus crime control act. I also completely disagree that the brady bill and the AWB didn't have any effect.

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[slug 1]

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It's called free speech and I have the same rights as anyone else as long as I play by the rules.

So until you get me banned for voiceing my opinion in SC according to the rules, live with it or contact my employer for surfing the net on their nickel.

As long as you don't mind me saying that your complaints about John's posts are SOS to me.

ps - iirc, the Bady Bill didn't have anything to do with magazine capacity. that was the AWB part of Clinton's 1994 omnibus crime control act. I also completely disagree that the brady bill and the AWB didn't have any effect.

Hi kennedy

Don't mind at all, Free speech isn't a one way street
Till the next thread One day and counting....... Only kidding way to boring.

R.I.P.

[Salsa_John 0]

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Registration is not the same as confiscation though.

Why do you need to know which law abiding citizens have guns? Is it possible they might commit a crime in the future? Are you? Punish the criminals severely, surely, and swiftly. Don't punish the law abiding citizens. One might say laws keep people honest. I contend people are honest or not. The ones who are not, usually don't care about the laws. Therefore the gun control laws which regulate, unreasonably, law abiding citizens are ineffective and a waste of time.

We need to keep criminals off the street permanently.
There should be no such thing as a career criminal or the three strikes law.

Hitler registered all guns. He then confiscated them.
He then slaughtered millions of unarmed men, women, and Children.

Remember, only lawful gun owners follow the laws.

Take away all the guns from lawful gun owners, then only the criminals will have guns.

Do you think the criminals will then say, "Oh, you don't have a gun? I'll be nice and leave you alone."?

Compare the murder and violent crime rates in DC and Maryland. There is a big difference.

An unarmed citizen is a victim.

Look at England... Man shoots intruder, with a legally owned and stored shotgun, after he broke into the occupied dwelling the THIRD time. The home owner who was protecting his family is now imprisoned and can not get parole, "Because he is dangerous to Criminals." The intruder was a paroled murderer.

Australia:

Guns taken away from lawful owners.
Gun crime down.
Violent crime (Robbery, rape, murder, home invasions, kidnappings...etc) WAY Up!


USA:
Homeowner arrested after shooting intruder who had broken into his house multiple times. By Township ordinance, pistols were not allowed to be possessed in residences within the township. Sheriff gladly arrested the homeowner and the DA is proceeding with prosecution for firearm possession. The intruder turned out to be a violent felon with an extensive criminal history.

The man was home asleep with his wife and kids at the time.

Conversely, look at Kennesaw, Georgia. Low Crime

"You did what?!?!"

MUFF #3722, TDSM #72, Orfun #26, Nachos Rodriguez

[JohnRich 4]

Finally, an anti-gun organization speaks out on this news release:

The Educational Fund to Stop Gun Violence today characterized a new report by the Maryland State Police recommending the repeal of the state's comprehensive ballistic identification system as "politically-motivated junk science..."

Source: http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0119-10.htm

See? I told you they would just recommend spending more money, giving it more time, adding more people... anything but admitting that it doesn't work!

[Kennedy 0]

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"Instead of calling for its repeal, the state police ought to use the technology to its full crime-solving potential."

It's full crime solving potential of zero crimes?

No ballistic ID system anywhere has lead to a single crime solved. Even some California anti-gunners have admitted that the idea is destined to fail.

But some of them just can't let it go. Oy.

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[JohnRich 4]

News update:

Legislators Submit Bill To Repeal Ballistics Law

Maryland lawmakers yesterday submitted a measure to repeal a state law requiring state police to collect ballistics information on every handgun sold in the state.

The bill would nullify a landmark measure passed in 2000 that requires handgun manufacturers to test-fire all handguns sold in Maryland and send the spent shell casings to the state police. The police file the shell's ballistics markings in a database, which officers can use to match shell casings found at crime scenes.

"The state police have indicated it's not working," said Smigiel, who filed a similar bill last year that died in committee. "We're wasting a couple million dollars which we could be putting to better use."

Source: Washington Post (registration required)

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