turtlespeed 226 #1 January 11, 2005 This is true - The marine is a friend of the family. (He is Not My Brother - but the author is a friend of the family) On December 19th, 2004, my brother Jason F. Young Lance Corporal in the United States Marines was refused service at a convenience store named One Stop Grocery and Grill at 2001 8th Ave. in downtown Fort Worth, Texas. He was refused service because he is a Marine. He went in to the store and asked the clerk (a man of middle eastern descent) for a can of tobacco, at which point the clerk asked him if he was in the military. (He had on a USMC shirt) After my brother replied, “yes sir” the man said nothing to him and looked at the other middle eastern man in the back of the store. Then both men proceeded to go in to the storeroom and did not come out. My brother yelled back to them a time or two and they did not respond. Jason waited a few minutes and finally left the store. I am very proud of the way that my brother reacted to the situation. I can honestly say if it had been me I would have cleared their counter and taken my can of tobacco. It is not fair that these people come into our country and enjoy the freedoms that my brother and so many others have fought for. They do not respect our service men and women who have died for them to be able to be here. They do not respect our country, and personally I think they need to go back to where they came from. My main point in writing this is to get the word out about this particular store and discourage people from shopping there. If they can’t respect or even sell to the people that are responsible for the rights they have, then they don’t deserve to be in business. Please email this to everyone you know to discourage them from shopping at this store. Heather M. Dowell Dowch@swbell.netI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 January 11, 2005 I certainly won't forget that next time I am in Ft Worth. SOB's That is just plain bull shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #3 January 11, 2005 I agree! Your brother, as well as every other man and woman that wears a uniform of the U.S. Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, whatever is in fact fighting for that store owner's as well as his friends rights to live in this country. They sure like our money, don't they!? I think, folks like that should do a little thinking and realize, which side their bread is buttered on. Your brother handled the situation in a good and mature manner. I think, vendors should also boycott that store! Let's see what happens when they have no bread, beer or cigarettes to sell! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 January 11, 2005 eesh....that's one of the oldest urban legends going. Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 January 11, 2005 Did you talk to the marine, or just the email from the family friend?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #6 January 11, 2005 > This is true - The marine is a friend of the family. -------------------------------------------------------------- From Snopes: Claim: A serviceman in uniform is refused service because the establishment's owners don't support the war in Iraq. Status: False. In late March 2003, Duluth, Minnesota was a site of another blossoming of the "serviceman refused service" legend, one that became so widespread that it was reported as true on WDIO, a local television station. (WDIO retracted the story the next night.) The Duluth News Tribune was innundated by the tale as folks called and wrote to ask about a particular Canal Park restaurant they'd heard had turned away a U.S. Marine in uniform, the restaurant being the kind of funky place folks against the war might frequent. In another version, several Army reservists in uniform were said to have been somehow dishonored at another trendy Canal Park eatery. In still another iteration, someone in a military uniform was verbally abused in the Target parking lot. . . . . These are emotionally charged times, impelling many to perceive slights where none exist or to misparse events so as to transform a Marine turned away for not presenting a valid ID into someone given the boot by folks vehement in their opposition to the war. So many of the rumors of our times are the result of honest mishearings, misunderstandings, or misrememberings of real events or accounts of them that this type of shift -- especially when fevers are running high -- is almost to be expected. We expect many more communities to be visited by the "shunned serviceman" story before it fully runs it course. It is, after all, the sort of shocking tale those angered by the anti-war movement will find great comfort in because it vilifies those who decry the current military action by presenting them as being against not only the war, but also against the men and women who are willing to risk their lives in the service of their country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #7 January 11, 2005 Quote I can honestly say if it had been me I would have cleared their counter and taken my can of tobacco. It is not fair that these people come into our country and enjoy the freedoms that my brother and so many others have fought for. They do not respect our service men and women who have died for them to be able to be here. They do not respect our country, and personally I think they need to go back to where they came from. This can best be described as "Racist bollocks". I'm surprised it doesn't advocate the donning of bed linen and pointy hats and torching the joint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #8 January 11, 2005 Quotetorching the joint. Can I ask what this has to do with rascism? O h, wait. My bad. Wrong thread. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 January 11, 2005 He's not my brother - just a friend of the family - but my brother IA a Marine. I am so proud of him - he just made E-4 and Plane Capt. of the Quarter and I think he made PC of the year. Just got married and had a beautiful daughter. He helps this country by helping keeping the Hornets in the air. He is currently stationed in South Carolina.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 January 11, 2005 I apologise for my mis-understanding. I obviosly did not read the very top line of your post. The story tells of a lack of consideration and respect for someone helping defend this Nation of ours. The Marine in your story stood tall. I'm proud for your brother, also. Tell him I said 'thanks', for what he's doing. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 January 11, 2005 No worries. I just wanted to clarify. Yes Snopes has a different account. There was a phone number attached to the e-mail. I called and - yes it was who it said it was. The "they" and the "them" comes from the simple fact that THEY ailienated themselves from being "WE" when THEY decided to disrespect and ignore a person for the simple fact that he was an armed forces member.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 January 11, 2005 QuoteThis is true - The marine is a friend of the family. (He is Not My Brother - but the author is a friend of the family) On December 19th, 2004, my brother Jason F. Young Lance Corporal in the United States Marines was refused service at a convenience store named One Stop Grocery and Grill at 2001 8th Ave. in downtown Fort Worth, Texas. He was refused service because he is a Marine. He went in to the store and asked the clerk (a man of middle eastern descent) for a can of tobacco, at which point the clerk asked him if he was in the military. (He had on a USMC shirt) After my brother replied, “yes sir” the man said nothing to him and looked at the other middle eastern man in the back of the store. Then both men proceeded to go in to the storeroom and did not come out. My brother yelled back to them a time or two and they did not respond. Jason waited a few minutes and finally left the store. I am very proud of the way that my brother reacted to the situation. I can honestly say if it had been me I would have cleared their counter and taken my can of tobacco. It is not fair that these people come into our country and enjoy the freedoms that my brother and so many others have fought for. They do not respect our service men and women who have died for them to be able to be here. They do not respect our country, and personally I think they need to go back to where they came from. My main point in writing this is to get the word out about this particular store and discourage people from shopping there. If they can’t respect or even sell to the people that are responsible for the rights they have, then they don’t deserve to be in business. Please email this to everyone you know to discourage them from shopping at this store. Heather M. Dowell Dowch@swbell.net Just recieved the latest confirmation by e-mail - so SNOPES can kiss my ass! >>Yes it is valid, it really happened to my brother on the date and time I put in the email. We picketed the store today. Channel 5 was out there, and they were asking us questions on camera. I don't know if they will air it, but it is already on the website. Also, the store owner came out and talked to us after we had been there for about 3 hours. She apologized, said the guy was fired and she does not believe in what her employee did and she is supposed to call my brother tonight and apologize for her employees actions. If she does not call my brother tonight, we will be out there again tomorrow. Thanks for your support Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: Clint To: Dowch@swbell.net Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:27 PM My father (*** ******) e-mailed me a short letter about a Marine that was refused service in Ft Worth. I am a member of a forum that I would like too post that e-mail to, but I need to check further into it's validity. If there is more that you can give me - please do so. That kind of thing needs to stop, now. _______ Bill - comments?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #13 January 12, 2005 QuoteQuote I can honestly say if it had been me I would have cleared their counter and taken my can of tobacco. It is not fair that these people come into our country and enjoy the freedoms that my brother and so many others have fought for. They do not respect our service men and women who have died for them to be able to be here. They do not respect our country, and personally I think they need to go back to where they came from. This can best be described as "Racist bollocks". I'm surprised it doesn't advocate the donning of bed linen and pointy hats and torching the joint. Nothing refers to race in the post. It is prejudging immigrants.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #14 January 12, 2005 http://www.nbc5i.com/news/4071942/detail.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 January 12, 2005 No no no, dont' you understand? The liberals said that it's an urban legend and didn't actually happen, so quit posting proof. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #16 January 12, 2005 I gotta admit though, I thought "BS" when I first read it. I'm surprised it turned out to be for real. In my fair city, of all places, too.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #17 January 12, 2005 Since I personally know Clint and know he wouldn't have posted something like this unless it really was someone close to home, I believed it from the beginning...although I wanted to believe it wasn't real. Dallas is Dallas, a very cool but sometimes very odd (and many times very dangerous) place to live and work...man I'd love to end up living somewhere like Granbury or Gunter. Close enough to DFW for fun, but far enough away to have a nice chunk of land and a decent life.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #18 January 12, 2005 Coincidentally, the same type of thing happened to my husband as he stopped in a gas station to fill up on the way home from drill... Apparently some teenage girls who were 'anti-war' sneered at him and turned their backs on him...just ridiculous. I got weird looks on occasion coming home from duty during Desert Storm...dunno if it was just because I was a girl (and I was just a girl at the time...19 years old ) in an Army uniform or more anti-war. Snopes or no, it DOES happen a whole lot more frequently than the e-mail hoaxes could even hope to keep up with...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #19 January 12, 2005 >Apparently some teenage girls who were 'anti-war' sneered at >him and turned their backs on him...just ridiculous. Yep. I have a friend who recently got back from Iraq who's gotten the looks and the attitude. Ironically he's against the war as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #20 January 12, 2005 QuoteCoincidentally, the same type of thing happened to my husband as he stopped in a gas station to fill up on the way home from drill... Apparently some teenage girls who were 'anti-war' sneered at him and turned their backs on him...just ridiculous. I got weird looks on occasion coming home from duty during Desert Storm...dunno if it was just because I was a girl (and I was just a girl at the time...19 years old ) in an Army uniform or more anti-war. Snopes or no, it DOES happen a whole lot more frequently than the e-mail hoaxes could even hope to keep up with... Sorry that you had to go through that Jaye. I came back from DS and was welcomed back in ad dignified manner - there were thousands of people portside screaming and yelling - but it was jopy they proffessed and happiness. Not distain and disrespect coupled with ignorance and selfish self serving hypocriticall agendas.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #21 January 12, 2005 Quote Sorry that you had to go through that Jaye. I came back from DS and was welcomed back in ad dignified manner - there were thousands of people portside screaming and yelling - but it was jopy they proffessed and happiness. -That's the way a welcome home should be for a soldier. I never left the US, my assignment was communications here. -I did actually try to put in to go over...I knew I was invincible because I was a teenager. -I also knew my job better than anyone else in my class, and I thought I might be able to save lives. I realized that if some of the people I graduated from commo with ever ended up over there, people would die from their ineffectiveness. -My request was ripped up in front of me by a very chauvenistitic OPS Sgt. Maybe it wasn't meant for me to be over there; I did help get some SF guys prepared for commo needs once they had deployed, and I think I made a difference in the Army altogether. I wrote a manual of operation for our unique commo equip, and the Army adopted it, so I was told several months after I had finished my tour of duty. All in all, I think I did what I was meant to do, though my idea of my job as a soldier was different. Even staying stateside, driving home from duty, I couldn't believe what some people would do...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #22 January 12, 2005 QuoteQuotetorching the joint. Can I ask what this has to do with rascism? O h, wait. My bad. Wrong thread. So I ask you now. Why is this thread so quiet? Where is the outrage from the left? Where are the civil rights activists standing up for the little guy? You know the one that did nothing wrong? Where is Jesse Jackson and his Tyrade? Where is John Kerry and Edwards - you know "the grass roots" guys professing that there was an injustice done? Bigger question . . . What would the media, and the people I mentioned just previously, do if it were turned around and the middle eastern man was refused service in the same way? Do you think there might have been a difference? do you think that the there might be just a teensy bit of fucking hypocrisy here?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 January 12, 2005 Kerry, Edwards and Jackson aren't running for any office at this time. That's why we aren't hearing from them. What about Sharpton? That's right... he has his own T.V. show. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #24 January 12, 2005 We are beating our heads against a brick wall since its as productive as anything else in this fourm Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #25 January 12, 2005 >Where is the outrage from the left? There's that 'boy who cried' wolf thing in effect, for sure. But it seems like you're trying to turn a common incident of bigotry into some sort of crusade here. Someone didn't serve someone else because they didn't like his politics. It happened to a jumper at Perris with an Arab name; he actually changed his name because he was getting so much grief regularly in bars and stores. It happened to a friend of mine who got back from Iraq recently. It's happened to me in Niger, Heidelburg and Dongguan because I was either white or american. I think people who treat other people like that are idiots, in the same class as people who refuse service to blacks, hispanics or arabs. There are lots of them out there. Fortunately we are gradually getting better and learning not to hate people for what they look like/dress like/do, but as this (and many other) incidents show, we are not there yet. >What would the media, and the people I mentioned just previously, do if >it were turned around and the middle eastern man was refused service >in the same way? It did happen, way more than once. Arab stores in the US have been looted and burned. Arabs have been beat up. As you don't seem to remember it, apparently the media didn't cover it much. To put the same question to you - why does burning someone's store and beating the crap out of them not bother you, but someone unable to buy tobacco incenses and outrages you? Which would you rather have done to you or yours? But let's assume it DID happen today. An Arab with a "I support the Palestinians" shirt walks into a 7-11 and the clerks go into the back room instead of ringing up his beef jerky. What would the result be? Rush Limbaugh would say "what's the big deal? What, do the liberals want everyone guaranteed instant jerky at all convenience stores? It's just like liberals to think that they are 'owed' instant service." Ann Coulter would sing the praises of the cashiers who 'stood up to the enemy' and would regret only that they didn't beat the piss out of him too. Meanwhile, here at Speaker's Corner, conservatives would pat themselves on the back. "Good to see people are finally realizing that supporting terrorism is a CRIME. I'm all for equality, but if you support terrorism, don't expect ME to sell you anything!" Anyone who spoke up against that sort of discrimination would be branded a terrorist, with zingy comebacks like "tell Osama I said hello." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
