TheAnvil 0 #26 January 12, 2005 Quote most news organizations, including NPR, fall within the center. All evidence to the contrary. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #27 January 13, 2005 QuoteAll evidence to the contrary. Where is all this evidence you speak of?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #28 January 13, 2005 QuoteQuote most news organizations, including NPR, fall within the center. All evidence to the contrary. Which evidence? These things do depend on your political point of view. If you think that Fox is "fair and balanced" - then yes most US media is to the left of them. But then again many would not agree that Fox is "fair and balanced" nor that Fox is in the center (but to the far right).--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #29 January 13, 2005 Fox's marketing slogan has nothing to do with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 January 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteThis is true Mikkey. It's been going on for years. It's called National Public Radio. It is a tax payer funded outlet set up to spred the Liberal Viewpoint under the guise of "news". The problem is that the right confuses the center with the left. The problem is that the left confuses the center with the right. QuoteAnyone left of Bush is considered liberal, even though he is an extreme right wing neo-con. Most Conservatives and Libertarians consider Bush to be very Liberal. It almost cost him the election. Had he not shored up his conservative base, Kerry would have been elected because the "Right-Wingers" would have simply stayed home. QuoteMost people, and most news organizations, including NPR, fall within the center. In your opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 January 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is true Mikkey. It's been going on for years. It's called National Public Radio. It is a tax payer funded outlet set up to spred the Liberal Viewpoint under the guise of "news". The problem is that the right confuses the center with the left. Anyone left of Bush is considered liberal, even though he is an extreme right wing neo-con. Most people, and most news organizations, including NPR, fall within the center. I used to be the producer for a radio show in the early to mid 90's for a group that was very much to the left. They considered NPR to be to far to the right - no joke. One person claimed that NPR was a victim of the Regan administration. By the time I realized I should transfer those old reel to reels to MP3 it was too late - the tapes had ionized and/or ghosted (I didn't store all of them on the take up reel). I would have loved to have played some of those shows for the conservatives on here. They would have freaked!! I didn't know the left could go that far at the time. Too bad you weren't able to get copies. They would have been interesting to listen to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 January 13, 2005 QuoteThe problem is that the right confuses the center with the left. Anyone left of Bush is considered liberal, even though he is an extreme right wing neo-con. Most people, and most news organizations, including NPR, fall within the center. NPR is left. And I listen to NPR everyday. They spin things to left all the time. I never heard more than a few words about CBS using false documents against Bush...But when they thought it was true I heard about it every 30 min."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 January 13, 2005 Left, right ...whatever .... it is all in the eye of the beholder. My uncle recently cancelled his NRA membership because they were too left for his liking..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #34 January 13, 2005 QuoteLeft, right ...whatever .... it is all in the eye of the beholder. Look at the spin about this subject here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4279605 QuoteNPR.org, January 12, 2005 · An independent review panel has scorched CBS News for a Sept. 8, 2004, report that purported to throw new light on President Bush's time in the Texas National Guard, based in part on memos whose authenticity has since come into question. The inquiry -- led by former U.S. Attorney General Dick Thornburgh and former Associated Press CEO Lou Boccardi -- said a "myopic zeal" had produced a broadcast that could not be substantiated. The report also detailed myriad cracks in CBS's vaunted news operation. The company responded by cleaning house: A star producer was fired, and three high-level executives -- including a senior vice president and the show's two top officials -- were forced to resign. A fourth was reassigned. But even as the scandal spirals, it's still not certain that the documents at the center of the controversy were fake. And other news organizations have published reports that largely support the greater premise that President Bush cannot account for much of his time in the National Guard Thats not a spin to the left? QuoteThe larger story -- of Bush receiving gentle treatment in his military service -- appears to be sound. The Boston Globe's Walter V. Robinson, for example, reported in 2000 about gaps in Bush's military record. And the same day as the September 2004 CBS report, the Globe published a fresh analysis that made the case that Bush may have failed to fulfill adequately his obligations in the National Guard -- and thus could have been subject to being shipped off for combat duty. (A link to that analysis can be found at left.) Bush has always argued that his honorable discharge proves that he fulfilled his duties in the military. But it is essentially common wisdom that he cannot entirely account for what he did during those years; the matter has been routine fodder for late-night comics and editorial cartoonists. But CBS, especially Mapes, thought the memos brought fresh relevance to the issue. It also came after weeks of criticism by conservatives of Democrat John F. Kerry's record in Vietnam, and at a time when Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a campaign issue. More Spin Here is a little Gem about Mapes: Quote But it ascribed two tone-deaf moves to Mapes: according to CBS News executives, she failed to flag that her source for the documents had been an outspoken critic of Bush. And she actually called the Kerry campaign before the story broke. No left spin?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 January 13, 2005 QuoteThats not a spin to the left? well, if you are a communist, you would call that right Like I said, the eye of the beholder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #36 January 13, 2005 Quotewell, if you are a communist, you would call that right Like I said, the eye of the beholder I guess if you are so far left you would see that as "balanced". That does not make it true."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gjhdiver 0 #37 January 13, 2005 QuoteQuote And people claim liberal bias in the media. And this proves there isn't? Williams isn't part of the media.. Of course he is. He's a journalist and commentator. Duh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 January 13, 2005 QuoteI guess if you are so far left you would see that as "balanced". That does not make it true. Nope it certainly doesn't make it true. But like I said before, eye of the beholder. I have an uncle who considers the NRA too left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 January 13, 2005 QuoteBut like I said before, eye of the beholder. I have an uncle who considers the NRA too left. Your Uncle clearly has issues."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 January 13, 2005 QuoteYour Uncle clearly has issues. Your telling me....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #41 January 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuote And people claim liberal bias in the media. And this proves there isn't? Williams isn't part of the media.. Of course he is. He's a journalist and commentator. Duh. I have never heard Armstrong Williams nor anyone else refer to him as a Journalist. Please provide some information to back up your assertion. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000753134 QuoteColumnists' Group Agrees: Armstrong Williams Not a Journalist By Dave Astor Published: January 13, 2005 4:35 PM ET NEW YORK A statement about Armstrong Williams was released this afternoon by the National Society of Newspaper Columnists. "Armstrong Williams," said the statement, "has made the point that he never considered himself a journalist. Prior to the news of his education department contract, he did, however, portray one through his commentary in print and the electronic media." But, the NSNC added, "his actions are obviously not those of a journalist. Therefore, we concur with Mr. Williams' belief that he is not one. And we suggest that any linkage between Mr. Williams and journalism does a disservice both to Mr. Williams and practicing journalists." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #42 January 13, 2005 Nice catch... that hit the wires less then an hour ago. QuotePrior to the news of his education department contract, he did, however, portray one through his commentary in print and the electronic media." Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #43 January 13, 2005 QuoteNice catch... that hit the wires less then an hour ago. QuotePrior to the news of his education department contract, he did, however, portray one through his commentary in print and the electronic media." Maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express?_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #44 January 13, 2005 QuoteNice catch... that hit the wires less then an hour ago. QuotePrior to the news of his education department contract, he did, however, portray one through his commentary in print and the electronic media." How can someone portray something they are not through commentary? Why would A.W. deny he was a Journalist and then "portray" being one? What would be the possible benefit? I'm not a big A.W. fan, but I am familiar with his views and I don't think anyone would seriously regard him as a journalist. Based on the last paragraph of the article, it seems there exists some vindictiveness. CBS.. How did you know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #45 January 14, 2005 All over the airwaves and in the pages of the LA Times would be good starting points. Guess you missed the CBS Rathergate scandal. Perhaps these might help: A nice little gem written by a registered Democrat Another book by the same registered Democrat A great book by the most authoritative voice on the subject of liberal media bias Mr. Bozell's website does an excellent job of documenting the leftist bias in the media. Sometimes I think they stretch things in their cyberalerts, but overall their reporting and monitoring of the bias is dead on the mark. His book does a fantastic job of refuting claims made by certain liberals - Begala for instance - that there is no liberal media bias and that there might even be some conservative bias in the news. Really good reading. But you don't really have to read any of the above - just watch the news over a one month time and you'll see so much leftist bias it isn't even funny. Fox, on the other hand, seems right wing because it's news without the usual bias to the left. I challenge you to find anything biased in Brit Hume's reporting. You can find political views injected into the commentary in FoxNews from both sides of the fence, but the reporting, I think not. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #46 January 14, 2005 Fox lost all credibility in my mind when they went to court and essentially won the right to distort truth to the point of lying. And I never put much stock in CBS, either.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
