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Why respond to a question or contribute to a discussion with bible passages?

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I understand that people have a right to say or to write what they believe. Still, I do not understand why some people choose to contribute to a discussion or answer a question by quoting or taking a passage from the bible (or similar "Holy Book"). Why not just answer with one's own unique words and with our own thoughts. Why not think for oneself and open our minds to our own verbal interpretation of our ideals?

I'm not saying that it's not wrong to quote the bible, but it can be viewed as pushing your beliefs onto someone else when you answer someone with a bible passage or quote. By the way, I honestly have nothing against anyone's personal beliefs. (I was raised a somewhat strict Catholic, myself.) I just feel that sometimes people could answer a question more effectively by simply using their own words.

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It's not. What's the point in quoting anybody though? Most here are articulate enough to use their own words. And I do get turned off by quotes rather than someone elses words.

Quotes tend to be platitudes but since someone else said them, it's easier to through into the mix.

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It's not. What's the point in quoting anybody though? Most here are articulate enough to use their own words. And I do get turned off by quotes rather than someone elses words..



Lol...I initially wrote something very similar to what you did because I also get turned off when people use quotes more than their own words.

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I understand that people have a right to say or to write what they believe. Still, I do not understand why some people choose to contribute to a discussion or answer a question by quoting or taking a passage from the bible (or similar "Holy Book"). Why not just answer with one's own unique words and with our own thoughts. Why not think for oneself and open our minds to our own verbal interpretation of our ideals?

I'm not saying that it's not wrong to quote the bible, but it can be viewed as pushing your beliefs onto someone else when you answer someone with a bible passage or quote. By the way, I honestly have nothing against anyone's personal beliefs. (I was raised a somewhat strict Catholic, myself.) I just feel that sometimes people could answer a question more effectively by simply using their own words.



I have been guilty of this on occasion. I do it when claims are made that a religious figure, such as Jesus, is attributed with beliefs he clearly did not have, and feel that oftentimes it is passages from the Bible or other religious texts that best illustrate the point, and are least refutable, wrt the actual thoughts of the author(s).
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And here, Chris is showing a place that it makes sense - In the context of trying to communicate in someone else's comfort zone.

If someone is a bit 'churchy', then maybe using bible quotes helps you to talk to them. Or at least to put them in a more receptive mood to listen.

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quoting the bible, or any other person/god allows people the ability not to think for themselves.

This mentality is also well seen in a flock of sheep running into a corner and smoothering themselves to death just because they follow the leader.


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Not everyone believes that the Bible is fact, and much is open to interpretation.



On the other hand, many people do believe strongly in the Bible. So if the people you are addressing are in that group, then the quote can have more impact than if you just use your own words. And if they're not in that group, then they should be intelligent enough to interpret what was said in a secular way, without being biased against it simply because it came from the Bible.
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get turned off when people use quotes more than their own words



Some people will pay more respect to a quote from a famous person, than from the everyday person. If that's what it takes to get an idea considered rather than rejected outright, so be it.

It's also a good idea to be able to elaborate on the quote in your own words.

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It depends upon the context.
Sometimes it's appropriate and constructive, other times it's not.

I particularly dislike it when a bible passage is used to support the bible. It's a circular argument and rarely if ever aids the discussion.

Having said that, there are parables and quotes that even I, a godless heathen, think are full of wisdom.

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It depends upon the context.
Sometimes it's appropriate and constructive, other times it's not.

I particularly dislike it when a bible passage is used to support the bible. It's a circular argument and rarely if ever aids the discussion.

Having said that, there are parables and quotes that even I, a godless heathen, think are full of wisdom.



Agreed completely. :)

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Not everyone believes that the Bible is fact, and much is open to interpretation.



On the other hand, many people do believe strongly in the Bible. So if the people you are addressing are in that group, then the quote can have more impact than if you just use your own words. .



There is nothing wrong with that.

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And if they're not in that group, then they should be intelligent enough to interpret what was said in a secular way, without being biased against it simply because it came from the Bible.



Personally, I am not biased against the Bible, or what it stands for AT ALL. I've never stated my personal beliefs and whether or not I am religious, pious, spiritual or whether I read and believe in the Holy Bible myself. Furthermore, I think that the teachings of Jesus Christ are beautiful and wise. The Old Testament also has so much to teach us. I find no fault in people who live by the Bible's teachings, and I have no problem with whatever religion that someone may or may not be.

I just do not wish to influence others or to insult others who have a different religion by quoting something to someone who doesn't believe in that particular religion or who doesn't take the Bible as gospel. I would never hesitate to quote from the Bible, when speaking to my mother or grandmother, because I know that they sometimes like to use religious sayings, but I would prefer to use my own words when speaking to the general public. I find it to be more inclusive of everyone.

***Some people will pay more respect to a quote from a famous person, than from the everyday person.



I do not like that way of thinking. I understand what you mean, but I would rather make my point through my own words.

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I like to use quotes in general. I'm not a bible quoter/thumper (I do have the book though, just haven't read it yet). As for using quotes, I think there are alot of brilliant people, past and present, that have made some pretty amazing/thought provoking statements/writings (Mya Angelo, Shakespeare & Socrates come to mind at the moment).
And if they say something better than I could, I think it's appropriate to use quotes.

Plus it gives me the opportunity to make "air quotes" with my fingers, which you can never do enough of in my opinion........

One of my favorite quotes, given the subject matter:

"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh" - Voltaire

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I like 'air quotes'. Can't get enough of them. "Laser" "Allen Parsons Project" "Cheese"

I don't like it when people verbally say, "Quote, un quote" and then say the quote. Also, wouldn't it be "quote" then say the quote, then say "unquote" (or even "End Quote")? Which would be annoying, but less so.

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I just feel that sometimes people could answer a question more effectively by simply using their own words.



That is the underlying difficulty of effective communications. What is effective for one person is not effective for the other.

This is along the lines of, why doesn't everybody like the colour blue......

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No, no, no, you are supposed to say

"Help help, I've been personally attacked" then call me a freak that didn't read your previous 19 posts before replying.

And then I reply with links to various previous posts exactly why those words were NOT attacks, but obvious references to things you've actually called yourself at one time.

Then, we all complain about some politician and pat ourselves on the back.

in any case, it's time to leave work.

my treat :D:D:D

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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My own favourite is a (mis)quote from Kipling's IF:

If you can keep your head while all about you are losing theirs... You haven't a clue what's going on.

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you... You are a politician."


right through to:

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run... You will probably survive."


Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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Until there be correct thought, there cannot be right action, and when there is correct thought, right action will follow. - Henry George, Social Problems 1886

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by referring to rout platitudes, religion makes it easy for the 'faithful' to defy any attempt at reason, logic or individual rational thought. All arguments can be countered by one or another quote from their religious text... few organized religions promote individual thought, or a personal search for truth, but instead lead their followers down a predefined path without the messy distractions of logic, reason or reality...

why are most religious texts so thick? because it makes it easier to find ANY justification for whatever action your church feels is necessary at that point and time..... none of which has ANYTHING to do with 'God' or 'Divinity'.... but (in the case of one religion in particular) when you describe your followers as herd animals and particularly by one of the dumbest herd animals alive, why would you possible wish to encourage them to think for themselves at all? Any questions? check your book. It has all the answers you'll ever need. Still doubt? Ask your religious leader for guidance so they can interpret the book for you. Still doesn’t ‘click’ for you? Oh well that is what faith is for….. :S

as if God would need any of it at all….

but it is particularly entertaining when you recognize that you know their dogma and literature better that those you happen to be in discussion with, many of whom are simply repeating half heard interpretations from television, the internet, or another member of their church, with no real understanding of the underlying meaning or the historical context to the words they mindlessly repeat.
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