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Bush donates 10K to relief effort..PATHETIC

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He did not give three percent of his annual income, he gave (less than) 3% of his annual salary as POTUS.



True, the salary of POTUS alone is currently $400,000. His response was still generous and probably in excess of proportionate with fellow citizens and the level that would be healthy for us to contribute at as a nation and needs to be viewed in the context of his other generous donations.

Besides all this you're missing the underlying point that it's none of your business, this is all a bit surreal, you're criticizing the guy because his contributions to a single cause don't match what you think the level should be because it's the latest publicized cause. Moreover we don't know if that was merely last years contributions made before Dec 31 as this was still developing or if he intends to give more in FY05. Either way it's none of your business. It's just amazing to witness you criticizing this guy.

There are many other causes involving far more death that warrant attention but aren't in the headlines. Maybe you should list them and blame Bush for not announcing a large enough contribution to them either.

Maybe Bush should make charitable donations as a percentage of his net worth every year until he's a pauper just to keep you happy.

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Besides all this you're missing the underlying point that it's none of your business, this is all a bit surreal, your criticizing the guy because his contributions to a single cause don't match what you think the level should be because it's the latest publicized cause.



Hit it on the head.
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I hate to say this
I agree with you Ron.

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It only hurts the first time



Next thing he'll be saying it hurts him more than it hurts us. ha!:P

But I agree with Ron too.

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Besides all this you're missing the underlying point that it's none of your business, this is all a bit surreal, your criticizing the guy because his contributions to a single cause don't match what you think the level should be because it's the latest publicized cause.



Hit it on the head.



The latest publicized cause? That is more offending than my view on Bushs donation amount. So far almost 3,000 Americans are reported dead, with the total count approaching 200,000. This is a world altering event that will effect generations to come and have immediate repercussions that last for years. And you view it as just "the latest publicized cause"????

edited to add this in response to Dorbies post, not a reply to rons.

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The latest publicized cause?



Yes. This is the latest thing you have to bitch about Bush.

Is the event a big deal? Well Duh, of course it is. But my comment was more along the lines of "You said it, it is no ones Business how much an INDIVIDUAL donates. It is sad that the haters choose to let their hatred for a guy over shaddow any amount of good the guy does....And after all it is still none of anyones business."
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Why do you feel the need to slam someone for being generous?



Tack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes.



So I was right! You want him to give a million dollars, close to twice his family's net annual income. You keep pointing to him as the most powerful man on earth. In that capacity, he has given hundreds of millions of dollars. As an individual, he's still coughed up serious money. No one on the receiving end would be so rude as to question its value.

I don't know many that have ever given such a sum. When Turner pledged a billion dollars to the UN, it was to be spaced out over decades, and I'm not sure he's done it yet, given the trouble he ran into with AOL taking over.

Wasn't it you who suggested his net worth was between 9 and 20some million? For a guy of his age, that's only a bit high, and you're suggesting he donate as much as 10% of it for this single event. That also assumes liquid assets, which is likely false.

And you're quite off in claiming this to be the worst disaster we'll see in our lifetime. That's pretty much false from the onset. Tsunamis happen all the time, so do earthquakes and mudslides which take out entire regions, not just the streets next to the shoreline. In seconds I can find that the 1976 Tangshan earthquake killed between 255,000 (official) and 655,000 (estimated). If (when) the Yangzee River Dam fails, millions are at risk.

More recently, 130,000 died in 1991 in Bangledesh to cyclone induced flooding. Past ones there have taken 500,000 (1970). 100,000 died in an earthquake in Armenia in 1988. 50,000 in Iran in 2003 from the same.

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The latest publicized cause?



Yes. This is the latest thing you have to bitch about Bush.

Is the event a big deal? Well Duh, of course it is. But my comment was more along the lines of "You said it, it is no ones Business how much an INDIVIDUAL donates. It is sad that the haters choose to let their hatred for a guy over shaddow any amount of good the guy does....And after all it is still none of anyones business."



Ron, I am not a bush hater. Please go back and find my thread where I discussed how I couldnt care less who the president is. Please do not turn this into a Bush bashing issue. No matter whom the president is or was I would have the same problem with the donation.

This is just my opinion, but I bet his advisors had to suggest he donate something considering all the other donations that were being made public. I am sure the talk of public opinion took place. If there was no mention in the media about donations by well known people my bet is he wouldnt have donated one penny. Once again, just my opinion.

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Besides all this you're missing the underlying point that it's none of your business, this is all a bit surreal, your criticizing the guy because his contributions to a single cause don't match what you think the level should be because it's the latest publicized cause.



Hit it on the head.



The latest publicized cause? That is more offending than my view on Bushs donation amount. So far almost 3,000 Americans are reported dead, with the total count approaching 200,000. This is a world altering event that will effect generations to come and have immediate repercussions that last for years. And you view it as just "the latest publicized cause"????



There are hundreds of thousands of dead from malaria in Africa for the wont of DDT spraying (many infants) as an *ongoing* tragedy we could prevent and that doesn't resonate with you? What about the AIDS pandemic? What about ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Northern Africa and elsewhere?

Your moral compass is so bent out of kilter it's actually a compliment in my book to hear I've deviated from your cardinals.

You expect us to go into paroxysms over this and criticise a healthy, generous contribution when its context in a portfolio of other charitable contributions has been made clear.

How are we supposed to respond to your cynical politicization and exploitation of this tragedy? It's a fact that the only reason you care so intensely about these deaths more than other incomprehensible devastation of lives is you see it on the news every night and it arrived unheralded in a single blow. The steady flow of death & misery form other causes doesn't invoke the same visceral response. The blow dried million dollar men are pumping the airwaves with this story when they have nothing to say about other devastating tragedies because it won't generate the same ad revenues for their network.

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Besides all this you're missing the underlying point that it's none of your business[.]



Whe he made the information public, that made the topic open for public commentary. When he runs on character (ROFLMFAO), that makes charitable donations fair game for public commentary. Furthermore, I did not criticize Shrub for his donation. I merely refuted the claim that he donated 3% of his annual income, which he clearly did not do. Please do not put words in my mouth.
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(ROFLMFAO)



I'm having difficulty visualizing this given your comments. All I see is a lot of bitterness and hatred. If you're really "rolling on the floor laughing your fucking ass off" you're not really projecting that in your posting style. Huddled over your keyboard in a twisted knot of cynical derision is more what I'm perceiving, (HOKTKCD).

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I'm having difficulty visualizing this given your comments. All I see is a lot of bitterness and hatred. If you're really "rolling on the floor laughing your fucking ass off" you're not really projecting that in your posting style. Huddled over your keyboard in a twisted knot of cynical derision is more what I'm perceiving, (HOKTKCD).



I see quoting wildly out of context is catching on around here.

If you will look back and read my post, (ROFLMFAO), it was in respect to Shrub running on character. To say that he is a man of character, well its just really f@#$ing funny, hence the (ROFLMFAO). It should not be taken to literally mean that I am on the floor, rolling around laughing so hard that my ass actually seperated from my body. It is an expression, a figure of speech.

;) doesn't mean I'm really winking.

:P does not imply my tongue is actually sticking out.

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:$ Or blush.

>:( My eyelashes do not really potrude past the edge of my face.

:S I'm not sure I can even make that face.

:) I am not wearing a halo.

:o Can't remember ever making this face, either.

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I'm having difficulty visualizing this given your comments. All I see is a lot of bitterness and hatred. If you're really "rolling on the floor laughing your fucking ass off" you're not really projecting that in your posting style. Huddled over your keyboard in a twisted knot of cynical derision is more what I'm perceiving, (HOKTKCD).



I see quoting wildly out of context is catching on around here.

If you will look back and read my post, (ROFLMFAO), it was in respect to Shrub running on character. To say that he is a man of character, well its just really f@#$ing funny, hence the (ROFLMFAO). It should not be taken to literally .........



Not really out of context at all. Let me be clearer about what I'm saying. I get the impression that nothing Bush does amuses you. I suspect it infuriates and angers you based on your writings. I might expect ROFL in response to a joke but from you in response to a Bush campaign issue you take issue with it's only more cynicism (or sarcasm).

Maybe you really find it amusing in which case that's probably healthier for you.

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Not really out of context at all. Let me be clearer about what I'm saying. I get the impression that nothing Bush does amuses you. I suspect it infuriates and angers you based on your writings. I might expect ROFL in response to a joke but from you in response to a Bush campaign issue you take issue with it's only more cynicism.

Maybe you really find it amusing in which case that's probably healthier for you.



I guess you really don't get the joke. I have to laugh about 52% of the voters actually buying into the whole character thing, because I don't want to cry believing that people are really that gullible.

I think it is better to laugh than cry when I realize that there are people that consider FOX News a credible news source.

I think its better to laugh than cry that so many people bought into the whole John Kerry flip-flops idea. Especially coming from a guy that can't get any of his stories straight.

In short, I believe Shrub to be lacking integrity. Integrity is something I consider to be essential in a man of good character. That is why the idea of Shrub running on the issue of being of superior, moral character is so funny to me. Be cause it is so far fetched, and yet was still sold. The only other thing to do is cry over the sad condidtion into which he has put the country.

Even still, I did not critisize his donation, as you are trying to imply, again, trying to assasinate my character instead of making intelligent points. You're smarter than that, Dorbie. Why are you stooping to such levels?
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There was no character assasination, certainly none intended, but thanks for the compliment. Keep on laughing.

P.S. And where did I imply any such thing in the posts we're discussing? It just ain't true, my last response in the topic was to Funks.

P.P.S. My earlier assumption w.r.t. your supplying supporting data to Funks is understandable. You're fueling the bonfire but claiming you didn't strike the match.

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You want to say how others can spend their money while you don't spend yours.



The guy not only neglected to donate a dime, he didn't even VOTE in the last election.

If that was me, I wouldn't have the audacity to criticize anyone who gave 3% of their income.


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The guy not only neglected to donate a dime, he didn't even VOTE in the last election.

If that was me, I wouldn't have the audacity to criticize anyone who gave 3% of their income.



Are you saying I neglected to donate a dime? If so, please tell me where you are getting that information from.

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Ron, one more comment on your posting techniques, like i mentioned earlier, you are very good at manipulating quotes to make them come across the way you wish them to. Reminds me of Michael Moore piecing together his excerpts for his movie...You must be one heck of a Michael Moore fan!

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Are you saying I neglected to donate a dime? If so, please tell me where you are getting that information from.



You replied "no" when asked if you gave 3% of your income, which I miread as you saying hadn't donated at all. My apologies for that.


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Calling anyone a Michael Moore fan is just over the line. Especially Ron.



Nah. He was trying to pay Ron a well deserved compliment on his editing skills. Even Shrub would be proud. Is it bad to call Ron a fan of Shrub? ;)
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Ron, one more comment on your posting techniques, like i mentioned earlier, you are very good at manipulating quotes to make them come across the way you wish them to. Reminds me of Michael Moore piecing together his excerpts for his movie...You must be one heck of a Michael Moore fan!



Dude no creative editing on my part.

I asked a question: Did you donate 3% of your income?

You said: No.

But then you went to cry about a bunch of things I didn't ask about.

Did you give 3 % of your income?

Yes, or No? Not excuses just yes or No? Me? No I did not.
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"It is not the critic who counts"
by
Theodore Roosevelt


"It is not the critic who counts;

not the man who points out where the strong man stumbled

or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.


The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,

whose face is marred with dust and sweat and blood.

At best, he knows the triumph of high achievement;

if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly,

so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls

who knew neither victory nor defeat."


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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I guess you really don't get the joke. I have to laugh about 52% of the voters actually buying into the whole character thing, because I don't want to cry believing that people are really that gullible.



Good thing we have the really smart 48% who aren't so gullible. Now all you have to do is swing around 3% to your way of thinking and you've got it made!

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