Newbie 0 #76 January 6, 2005 power and money in this case (i.e. the President) are not necessarily in direct correlation with one another. Just because he has "all the power" does not mean he has "all the money". Look at the bigger picture (how much of his annual income he donated), to put things in perspective. You cannot deny his family has money, sure, but i doubt his entire family wealth runs to more than what many A list celebs and All Star NFL/NBA stars make in a year or two from fees and sponsorship deals. I certainly gave no where near 3% of my gross annual income, i could barely afford what i did give (well, the bank gave it, i just have to pay them back now ). It's all relative - we can say "hey he gave $10k what a tight idiot!" or we can say "wow he gave 3% of his annual gross income, how generous". Bottom line, give what you can afford to, but give a little something. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #77 January 6, 2005 Quote I don't quite think that is fair.... Jesus would have appreciate every donation so long as it was done for the right reasons... Jesus said: "If you (plur.) have money, do not lend it out at interest. Rather, give [it] to one from whom you will not get it back." Gospel of St. Thomas Saying 95 Jesus said: "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." Matt 5:38-42 Jesus said: "But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful." Luke 6:27-36 His standards were pretty high when it came to the right reasons.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #78 January 6, 2005 Quote Bush was more than willing to accept millions of dollars towards his campaign to further his own political career. Perhaps it would be a nice gesture to give a little more back (to people who actually need it to survive) the same way his supporters were willing to give to him. Very good point. He was also willing to except LOTSA cash, from somewhat dubious contributors, to save a failed business venture.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #79 January 6, 2005 Quotebtw - Bush's donation was less than what he personally spent on flowers for events. Boy, if that isnt compassion i dont know what is. http://www.opensecrets.org/...08072&cycle=2004 This is not his personal finances, but nice try....The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #80 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteRon, I now know that you and many others on this board are willing to accept the fact that the most powerful man in the world gave 10K to help with the largest most destructive natural disaster we have all ever seen and will probably see in our lifetime. Did you give 3% of your salary? I am not sure why you guys keep bringing up the salary issue. The 300K he makes a year is more of a token of appreciation from Uncle Sam. Otherwise, the salary for being president would be much more in line with what his actual duties are. Fact of the matter is he is worth MILLIONS and has MILLIONS at his disposal. Bill gates makes 900K a year in salary. The salary issue is a moot point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #81 January 6, 2005 Comparing Florida's hurricanes to the tsunami that hit the coastlines of the Indian Ocean is pretty comical. We were driving around looking for open restaurants (finally found IHOP) when Jeane (or maybe it was Frances) was directly overhead. Think people in the path of the tsunami were able to just go about their business? While Florida's hurricanes were severe in comparison to blue sky jump weather, they were cake compared to a tsunami of this magnatude. Still, Pumpkinhead was able to spin them as the worst natural disaster in the history of our country. The fact of the matter is that the Bush family has a consistent history of acting with political motivations rather than humanitarian ones. While I'm sure every dollar, euro or yen is appreciated, I'm not ready to pat the president on the back just yet.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #82 January 6, 2005 QuoteThen Kerry should send the rather large amount of funds he got also. Ron, Kerry lost. Get over it. I see you bring Kerry up more often than anyone else. Move on.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #83 January 6, 2005 QuoteI am not sure why you guys keep bringing up the salary issue. The 300K he makes a year is more of a token of appreciation from Uncle Sam. Otherwise, the salary for being president would be much more in line with what his actual duties are. did you give 3%?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #84 January 6, 2005 QuoteRon, Kerry lost. Get over it I'll get over it as soon as you do."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #85 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteI am not sure why you guys keep bringing up the salary issue. The 300K he makes a year is more of a token of appreciation from Uncle Sam. Otherwise, the salary for being president would be much more in line with what his actual duties are. did you give 3%? No. I rely on my salary for survival. He does not. His salary is disposable income, mine is not. Answer your question? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #86 January 6, 2005 Quotedid you give 3%? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Yep answered it just fine. You want to say how others can spend their money while you don't spend yours. Your hatred of the man will not even allow you to admit he did a good thing. Instead you would rather find a way to ahte him and fuel your hate."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #87 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuotedid you give 3%? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. Yep answered it just fine. You want to say how others can spend their money while you don't spend yours. Your hatred of the man will not even allow you to admit he did a good thing. Instead you would rather find a way to ahte him and fuel your hate. Ron, I like how you provide quotes from my previous comments and delete certain parts out to paint certain pictures, quite creative. Any comment on the disposable income part I mentioned that you failed to include in the quote? Does that explain why I did not donate 3% of my income? Bush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #88 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteIt's not about Kerry or Sorros or Moore. It's about Bush, the President, the Bully Pulpit, the leader of our nation and the example he sets for the country, the "values" guy, the self-proclaimed Christian. It seems to me that its more about your hatred of him more than anything else. Did you give more than 3% of your yearly income? I did not. Don't compare apples with shoes. Bush's $300k is supplemented by free housing in a mansion, free security, free housekeeping, free transport anywhere he wants to go, etc. and significant investment income. If I take out my costs for housing, transport, personal security etc, then the answer is YES. I also contributed more than 0.05% of my net worth (which isn't much in my case) and I expect you did too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #89 January 6, 2005 QuoteBush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. You should have just announced you were the Bush family personal accountant in the first place. It would have saved a lot of time. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #90 January 6, 2005 I guess you care who the President is now? And I lied this will be my last post! funks; Politicians are equally manipulative and have one agenda in mind, their own personal success. With the above statement why does the dollar amount suprise you or should I say not suprise you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #91 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteBush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. You should have just announced you were the Bush family personal accountant in the first place. It would have saved a lot of time. Somebody already used that line earlier in the discussion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #92 January 6, 2005 QuoteRon, I like how you provide quotes from my previous comments and delete certain parts out to paint certain pictures, quite creative No I just went to the center of the problem. You like to say how others should spend their money. You hate him so much you can't admit he did a good thing. That is the basis of the problem. But it is your problem and not mine. I don't tend to tell others how to spend their money. You do."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #93 January 6, 2005 QuoteDon't compare apples with shoes. Bush's $300k is supplemented by free housing in a mansion Maybe, but he still has a house he has to pay for. Quote and significant investment income. The Government gives him money to invest? It is simple. He did a good thing. Something that very few people would be willing to do even if they had the money. Your hatred for him is so great that he could not do anything that would make you approve of anything he does. All of the lefts heroes have not been close to as generous. But you don't see me slamming any one that gave. Why do you feel the need to slam someone for being generous?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #94 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy do you feel the need to slam someone for being generous? Tack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #95 January 6, 2005 QuoteTack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes. Your opinion. And it is clear you hate him. So you are holding him to a higher standard than anyone else. Like I said he gave more in both actual dollars and in % of income than most. You will of course never admit it was nice of him. But I expect nothing less."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #96 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteTack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes. Your opinion. And it is clear you hate him. So you are holding him to a higher standard than anyone else. Like I said he gave more in both actual dollars and in % of income than most. You will of course never admit it was nice of him. But I expect nothing less. It was nice of him. Happy now But he should have been nicer. Holding him to higher standards? Damn right I am...he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The entire WORLD holds him to higher standards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #97 January 6, 2005 Quote Does that explain why I did not donate 3% of my income? Careful not to assume that Shrub's salary equals Shrub's income. His income consists of money his investments make, too. He did not give three percent of his annual income, he gave (less than) 3% of his annual salary as POTUS.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #98 January 6, 2005 Quote Bush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. It wouldn't affect your opinion of him either, you'd probably still be carping about how his contribution is a small percentage of his net worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #99 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuote Bush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. It wouldn't affect your opinion of him either, you'd probably still be carping about how his contribution is a small percentage of his net worth. Actually you are wrong. It would effect my opinion of him. If he donated 100% of his salary I would have a lot more respect for the man. Same way some corporate CEO's only take a dollar in salary. They have other methods of income, they dont really need the money, and they do it as a sign to their employees that they are serious about helping out when times are tough. I stand by my original comment. 10K is a pathetic donation coming from the President of the United States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #100 January 6, 2005 QuoteIt was nice of him. Happy now But he should have been nicer That is your opinion. I think 10 grand was quite nice. I don't think many matched it. QuoteHolding him to higher standards? Damn right I am...he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The entire WORLD holds him to higher standards. OK but this was not an act as the President. Him sending 350 Million and our troops was him acting as President. Why should he personally give more just because he was elected to an office? Go you expect your Mayor to give more to his church? I don't care what an INDIVIDUAL gives. It is between them, their family, and God/Karma/Whatever. As a person he did a nice thing. As a President he did the right thing. Just because he is President does not mean he needs to be a more generous human. Or be held to higher standards....And if you think it does...How do you feel about Clinton cheating on his wife and lying under oath?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 4 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Ron 10 #95 January 6, 2005 QuoteTack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes. Your opinion. And it is clear you hate him. So you are holding him to a higher standard than anyone else. Like I said he gave more in both actual dollars and in % of income than most. You will of course never admit it was nice of him. But I expect nothing less."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #96 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteTack a ZERO or TWO to the end of the figure he donated, then I will consider it a generous move on his part....Otherwise, he is skating by with the bare minimum stricly for public perception purposes. Your opinion. And it is clear you hate him. So you are holding him to a higher standard than anyone else. Like I said he gave more in both actual dollars and in % of income than most. You will of course never admit it was nice of him. But I expect nothing less. It was nice of him. Happy now But he should have been nicer. Holding him to higher standards? Damn right I am...he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The entire WORLD holds him to higher standards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #97 January 6, 2005 Quote Does that explain why I did not donate 3% of my income? Careful not to assume that Shrub's salary equals Shrub's income. His income consists of money his investments make, too. He did not give three percent of his annual income, he gave (less than) 3% of his annual salary as POTUS.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #98 January 6, 2005 Quote Bush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. It wouldn't affect your opinion of him either, you'd probably still be carping about how his contribution is a small percentage of his net worth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #99 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuote Bush could donate 100% of his income and it would not effect him whatsoever. It wouldn't affect your opinion of him either, you'd probably still be carping about how his contribution is a small percentage of his net worth. Actually you are wrong. It would effect my opinion of him. If he donated 100% of his salary I would have a lot more respect for the man. Same way some corporate CEO's only take a dollar in salary. They have other methods of income, they dont really need the money, and they do it as a sign to their employees that they are serious about helping out when times are tough. I stand by my original comment. 10K is a pathetic donation coming from the President of the United States. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #100 January 6, 2005 QuoteIt was nice of him. Happy now But he should have been nicer That is your opinion. I think 10 grand was quite nice. I don't think many matched it. QuoteHolding him to higher standards? Damn right I am...he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The entire WORLD holds him to higher standards. OK but this was not an act as the President. Him sending 350 Million and our troops was him acting as President. Why should he personally give more just because he was elected to an office? Go you expect your Mayor to give more to his church? I don't care what an INDIVIDUAL gives. It is between them, their family, and God/Karma/Whatever. As a person he did a nice thing. As a President he did the right thing. Just because he is President does not mean he needs to be a more generous human. Or be held to higher standards....And if you think it does...How do you feel about Clinton cheating on his wife and lying under oath?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
