ahegeman 0 #26 January 6, 2005 I gotta say, he coulda done better. He needs to be held to a higher standard. He's a leader. He needs to lead by example. This wasn't an ordinary event. It shouldn't yield an ordinary response from someone who would present himself as a moral example. Given that I don't actually know his charity activity in general, he hasn't lost any points with me here, but he certainly hasn't won any.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #27 January 6, 2005 QuoteAs GWB's accountant, what is his net worth? And what is yours? According to this article his net worth is between 9 million and 25 million. That seems very low to me but nonetheless, still many many many times more than my net worth http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040823.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #28 January 6, 2005 Quote Who says he hasn't donated more then your entire net worth this year to other charitable givings as well? $10k might just about do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #29 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #30 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. No actually assumption and / or assuming was the word(s) aggiedave and i were looking for. Not calling anybody guilty or condeming anybody. Simply pointing out that i believe his donation was a very feeble donation for someone in his position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #31 January 6, 2005 I think, that is un-realistic. That's a little knt-pickin'. If you don't have it... you can't give it. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydyvr 0 #32 January 6, 2005 QuoteI think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. There is no amount Bush could've given that would've made the whiners on the left happy. He'd either be stingy, as is the silly complaint in this thread, or a grandstander/flaunter of money if he gave "too much". It's not about the money -- it's about looking for every little opportunity to denegrate Bush. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #33 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. No actually assumption and / or assuming was the word(s) aggiedave and i were looking for. Guilt? Condemnation? information that isnt any of my business? What are you talking about? I wasn't really trying to imply that the word assumption was incorrect rather that it led you your presumption of stinginess and condemnation for it which is the real problem here. That's exactly what's being attempted here. The anti-bush criticism is based on a presumption of stinginess. Then framed as if the two sides of the argument are equal, but when you level an accusation at someone being stingy as in this case you better have a bit more to back it up than assumptions are and no real evidence. You don't have the whole picture and in the face of this you still stand by the unfounded accusation. How is anyone supposed to defend against this? Show their tax returns? They shouldn't have to and they shouldn't be critiqued over charitable donations which are a matter of private conscience, never mind the implausibility of the assumptions you want to make to support your criticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #34 January 6, 2005 Quote According to this article his net worth is between 9 million and 25 million. That seems very low to me but nonetheless, still many many many times more than my net worth http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040823.html And yet you believe he should be giving as much as NBA players who make his net worth in one season, or actresses who do so in one movie? Talk about having an axe in search of something to grind. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/13/politics/main611620.shtml The Bushes reported itemized deductions of $95,043, including $68,360 to churches and charitable organizations, including Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, Md., Tarrytown United Methodist Church in Austin, Texas, St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas and the federal government's Combined Federal Campaign. That figures to be 11.4% of his family's net income of $594k. I'm guessing you believe he should be giving at least 180% (1mil). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #35 January 6, 2005 I thought he'd shown significant deductions but didn't didn't want to cite it without a firm reference. As you point out, there's a huge a difference between earnings and net worth, donating as a percentage of net worth is a thoroughly flawed standard to attempt to apply to anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #36 January 6, 2005 Agreed. Bill/Lawrocket - aren't there some rules about how a politician in office may direct his own funds being expended from a blind trust? I seem to recall something about that but am not sure. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #37 January 6, 2005 Quote You know, I'm really surprised that my gun thread has been people just chatting about guns and hasn't turned anti gun like usual. Its very refreshing and enjoyable. Have you noticed that some folks who would normally take up the fight are taking a holiday vacation from this forum for awhile? Might possibly be the reason? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites windcatcher 0 #38 January 6, 2005 QuoteMaybe, those tossin' in the 'big' bucks are playing a 'money game' under the advisement of their accountants. Maybe, they're doing it for the recognition or to impress the multitudes. And you dont think that is what the President is doing? He doesnt make a move without having an entire advisory team tell him if he should do it or not. His donation of 10K was to get the exact response that people are giving on this board "Well at least he cares and he is donating something" QuoteIf his heart was really in it he would have donated a shitload more than just 10K. His donation is nothing more than a politically motivated move to get the public thinking what everyone is saying on this board wow I don't understand how you can sit there and judge President Bush on how much he donated to the relief....who are you to say what's a "charitable donation" or not? How can you say that "if his heart was really in it he would've donated more"? I'm a broke college student and love giving money away when I can, are you gonna sit here and tell me that my heart's not really into donating, because I don't ACTUALLY have the money to give? Bottom line is, what good does it do you, funks, to make a donation in the name of helping others, only to turn around and bash someone for doing the exact same thing you did? It was simply shocking for me to read this post. Seems giving is the sort of act that requires love, humility and selflessness, but if you brag about what you give it makes giving sound like a wasted effort. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #39 January 6, 2005 QuoteIf his heart was really in it he would have donated a shitload more than just 10K again, just like the UN. "They didn't give enough" Still I bet it was more than you. And it seems to be more than Kerry...Thats just funny."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #40 January 6, 2005 QuoteHave you noticed that some folks who would normally take up the fight are taking a holiday vacation from this forum for awhile? Might possibly be the reason? Ah yes I have. I thought the discussions were more constructive and enjoyable the past few days and I didn't quite put my finger on it. It makes a big difference, maybe those folks should be on perminant vacation from this forum...its definately been better in here recently.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #41 January 6, 2005 I have to say that I'm not a fan of GWB - BUT it's his money and he can spend it how he likes (at least he has put his hand into his pwn pocket)...... My only gripe, really is why he(?) would publicise the amount - it's No One elses business but his. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites storm1977 0 #42 January 6, 2005 QuoteI have to say that I'm not a fan of GWB - BUT it's his money and he can spend it how he likes (at least he has put his hand into his pwn pocket)...... My only gripe, really is why he(?) would publicise the amount - it's No One elses business but his. Why? Because he publically came out yesterday and asked everyone in the country to donate what they can. That's why. You can't tell everyone else to give if you don't do it yourself. He was setting an example. Pretty typical of the person who started this thread to criticize the President for doing a noble thing. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 03CLS 0 #43 January 6, 2005 QuoteNow I really wish I would have voted, perhaps my one vote wouldnt have gotten this asshole out of office. What a pathetic attempt at acting like he gives a shit. Basketball players are donating 1000 bucks per point for the rest of the season, actors and actresses are donating millions of dollars, etc...and all the leader of the so called free world can do is donate a measly 10K Why did he even bother? Guess he hasnt gotten all of his kickbacks from haliburton yet. Fucking pathetic WHO Cares - What a stupid thread! This will be my last post until I finish my AFF........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #44 January 6, 2005 QuoteThat figures to be 11.4% of his family's net income of $594k. I'm guessing you believe he should be giving at least 180% (1mil). There it is - Charitable giving last year in proportion to annual income. The $10,000 this year is likely in addition to his normal plan for 2005. There's real things to complain about with this man, but his commit to charity isn't one of them. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #45 January 6, 2005 It's good to hear from gun 'supporters'! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #46 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuote This will be my last post until I finish my AFF........ In other words you will never post again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Newbie 0 #47 January 6, 2005 Bush may be the leader of the most powerful nation in the free world but don't confuse his earning capacity with that of an NBA player. Like someone else said - he gave, and hopefully this will encourage more of us to give who haven't already done so - whether that's 10 or 10000 of whatever currency you work in. And i'm not a Bush supporter. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #48 January 6, 2005 This statement made earlier about sums it up: "I gotta say, he coulda done better. He needs to be held to a higher standard. He's a leader. He needs to lead by example. This wasn't an ordinary event. It shouldn't yield an ordinary response from someone who would present himself as a moral example." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #49 January 6, 2005 I don't really get the whole "Hold them to higher standards" statement. We hold ourselves to standards. If one expects higher standards from complete strangers, then why wouldn't that indicate that person has a low opinion of their own personal abilities and character? However, those people I've personally heard that statement from have had very strong senses of self. So I have to see it as just another meaningless cliche'. Or a veiled attempt to feel superior to another - which is also a pointless exercise. I lean toward the cliche' theory. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dougiefresh 0 #50 January 6, 2005 QuoteI find all of the donation comparisons by celebs/famous persons to be distasteful. 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dorbie 0 #29 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #30 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. No actually assumption and / or assuming was the word(s) aggiedave and i were looking for. Not calling anybody guilty or condeming anybody. Simply pointing out that i believe his donation was a very feeble donation for someone in his position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #31 January 6, 2005 I think, that is un-realistic. That's a little knt-pickin'. If you don't have it... you can't give it. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #32 January 6, 2005 QuoteI think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. There is no amount Bush could've given that would've made the whiners on the left happy. He'd either be stingy, as is the silly complaint in this thread, or a grandstander/flaunter of money if he gave "too much". It's not about the money -- it's about looking for every little opportunity to denegrate Bush. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #33 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy bet is that any contribution the president makes will somehow be reported to the press, so far no other reports of any contributions. And you're making that assumption. So together we're in a stalemate. I think the word you're looking for is presumption. Presumption of guilt and condemnation based on information you don't have that is really none of your business. No actually assumption and / or assuming was the word(s) aggiedave and i were looking for. Guilt? Condemnation? information that isnt any of my business? What are you talking about? I wasn't really trying to imply that the word assumption was incorrect rather that it led you your presumption of stinginess and condemnation for it which is the real problem here. That's exactly what's being attempted here. The anti-bush criticism is based on a presumption of stinginess. Then framed as if the two sides of the argument are equal, but when you level an accusation at someone being stingy as in this case you better have a bit more to back it up than assumptions are and no real evidence. You don't have the whole picture and in the face of this you still stand by the unfounded accusation. How is anyone supposed to defend against this? Show their tax returns? They shouldn't have to and they shouldn't be critiqued over charitable donations which are a matter of private conscience, never mind the implausibility of the assumptions you want to make to support your criticism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 January 6, 2005 Quote According to this article his net worth is between 9 million and 25 million. That seems very low to me but nonetheless, still many many many times more than my net worth http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20040823.html And yet you believe he should be giving as much as NBA players who make his net worth in one season, or actresses who do so in one movie? Talk about having an axe in search of something to grind. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/13/politics/main611620.shtml The Bushes reported itemized deductions of $95,043, including $68,360 to churches and charitable organizations, including Evergreen Chapel at Camp David, Md., Tarrytown United Methodist Church in Austin, Texas, St. John's Church in Washington, D.C., the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas and the federal government's Combined Federal Campaign. That figures to be 11.4% of his family's net income of $594k. I'm guessing you believe he should be giving at least 180% (1mil). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #35 January 6, 2005 I thought he'd shown significant deductions but didn't didn't want to cite it without a firm reference. As you point out, there's a huge a difference between earnings and net worth, donating as a percentage of net worth is a thoroughly flawed standard to attempt to apply to anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #36 January 6, 2005 Agreed. Bill/Lawrocket - aren't there some rules about how a politician in office may direct his own funds being expended from a blind trust? I seem to recall something about that but am not sure. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #37 January 6, 2005 Quote You know, I'm really surprised that my gun thread has been people just chatting about guns and hasn't turned anti gun like usual. Its very refreshing and enjoyable. Have you noticed that some folks who would normally take up the fight are taking a holiday vacation from this forum for awhile? Might possibly be the reason? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #38 January 6, 2005 QuoteMaybe, those tossin' in the 'big' bucks are playing a 'money game' under the advisement of their accountants. Maybe, they're doing it for the recognition or to impress the multitudes. And you dont think that is what the President is doing? He doesnt make a move without having an entire advisory team tell him if he should do it or not. His donation of 10K was to get the exact response that people are giving on this board "Well at least he cares and he is donating something" QuoteIf his heart was really in it he would have donated a shitload more than just 10K. His donation is nothing more than a politically motivated move to get the public thinking what everyone is saying on this board wow I don't understand how you can sit there and judge President Bush on how much he donated to the relief....who are you to say what's a "charitable donation" or not? How can you say that "if his heart was really in it he would've donated more"? I'm a broke college student and love giving money away when I can, are you gonna sit here and tell me that my heart's not really into donating, because I don't ACTUALLY have the money to give? Bottom line is, what good does it do you, funks, to make a donation in the name of helping others, only to turn around and bash someone for doing the exact same thing you did? It was simply shocking for me to read this post. Seems giving is the sort of act that requires love, humility and selflessness, but if you brag about what you give it makes giving sound like a wasted effort. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #39 January 6, 2005 QuoteIf his heart was really in it he would have donated a shitload more than just 10K again, just like the UN. "They didn't give enough" Still I bet it was more than you. And it seems to be more than Kerry...Thats just funny."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #40 January 6, 2005 QuoteHave you noticed that some folks who would normally take up the fight are taking a holiday vacation from this forum for awhile? Might possibly be the reason? Ah yes I have. I thought the discussions were more constructive and enjoyable the past few days and I didn't quite put my finger on it. It makes a big difference, maybe those folks should be on perminant vacation from this forum...its definately been better in here recently.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #41 January 6, 2005 I have to say that I'm not a fan of GWB - BUT it's his money and he can spend it how he likes (at least he has put his hand into his pwn pocket)...... My only gripe, really is why he(?) would publicise the amount - it's No One elses business but his. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #42 January 6, 2005 QuoteI have to say that I'm not a fan of GWB - BUT it's his money and he can spend it how he likes (at least he has put his hand into his pwn pocket)...... My only gripe, really is why he(?) would publicise the amount - it's No One elses business but his. Why? Because he publically came out yesterday and asked everyone in the country to donate what they can. That's why. You can't tell everyone else to give if you don't do it yourself. He was setting an example. Pretty typical of the person who started this thread to criticize the President for doing a noble thing. ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
03CLS 0 #43 January 6, 2005 QuoteNow I really wish I would have voted, perhaps my one vote wouldnt have gotten this asshole out of office. What a pathetic attempt at acting like he gives a shit. Basketball players are donating 1000 bucks per point for the rest of the season, actors and actresses are donating millions of dollars, etc...and all the leader of the so called free world can do is donate a measly 10K Why did he even bother? Guess he hasnt gotten all of his kickbacks from haliburton yet. Fucking pathetic WHO Cares - What a stupid thread! This will be my last post until I finish my AFF........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 January 6, 2005 QuoteThat figures to be 11.4% of his family's net income of $594k. I'm guessing you believe he should be giving at least 180% (1mil). There it is - Charitable giving last year in proportion to annual income. The $10,000 this year is likely in addition to his normal plan for 2005. There's real things to complain about with this man, but his commit to charity isn't one of them. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #45 January 6, 2005 It's good to hear from gun 'supporters'! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #46 January 6, 2005 QuoteQuote This will be my last post until I finish my AFF........ In other words you will never post again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Newbie 0 #47 January 6, 2005 Bush may be the leader of the most powerful nation in the free world but don't confuse his earning capacity with that of an NBA player. Like someone else said - he gave, and hopefully this will encourage more of us to give who haven't already done so - whether that's 10 or 10000 of whatever currency you work in. And i'm not a Bush supporter. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #48 January 6, 2005 This statement made earlier about sums it up: "I gotta say, he coulda done better. He needs to be held to a higher standard. He's a leader. He needs to lead by example. This wasn't an ordinary event. It shouldn't yield an ordinary response from someone who would present himself as a moral example." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #49 January 6, 2005 I don't really get the whole "Hold them to higher standards" statement. We hold ourselves to standards. If one expects higher standards from complete strangers, then why wouldn't that indicate that person has a low opinion of their own personal abilities and character? However, those people I've personally heard that statement from have had very strong senses of self. So I have to see it as just another meaningless cliche'. Or a veiled attempt to feel superior to another - which is also a pointless exercise. I lean toward the cliche' theory. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dougiefresh 0 #50 January 6, 2005 QuoteI find all of the donation comparisons by celebs/famous persons to be distasteful. It makes it seem as if the giving is for their own benefit. I don't know how people are finding out how much certain celebs are giving, but if the celebs themselves are letting it be known, it just seems awful to me. I agree. You can donate without making a fucking press release about it. It's all politics and showmanship to make a good impression on people. You can't blame people for wanting to further their careers, but this seems an awfully tawdry way to do it.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next Page 2 of 7 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Newbie 0 #47 January 6, 2005 Bush may be the leader of the most powerful nation in the free world but don't confuse his earning capacity with that of an NBA player. Like someone else said - he gave, and hopefully this will encourage more of us to give who haven't already done so - whether that's 10 or 10000 of whatever currency you work in. And i'm not a Bush supporter. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #48 January 6, 2005 This statement made earlier about sums it up: "I gotta say, he coulda done better. He needs to be held to a higher standard. He's a leader. He needs to lead by example. This wasn't an ordinary event. It shouldn't yield an ordinary response from someone who would present himself as a moral example." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 January 6, 2005 I don't really get the whole "Hold them to higher standards" statement. We hold ourselves to standards. If one expects higher standards from complete strangers, then why wouldn't that indicate that person has a low opinion of their own personal abilities and character? However, those people I've personally heard that statement from have had very strong senses of self. So I have to see it as just another meaningless cliche'. Or a veiled attempt to feel superior to another - which is also a pointless exercise. I lean toward the cliche' theory. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dougiefresh 0 #50 January 6, 2005 QuoteI find all of the donation comparisons by celebs/famous persons to be distasteful. It makes it seem as if the giving is for their own benefit. I don't know how people are finding out how much certain celebs are giving, but if the celebs themselves are letting it be known, it just seems awful to me. I agree. You can donate without making a fucking press release about it. It's all politics and showmanship to make a good impression on people. You can't blame people for wanting to further their careers, but this seems an awfully tawdry way to do it.Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. --Douglas Adams Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
