PhillyKev 0 #1 January 5, 2005 There were virtually no animal deaths from the tsunamis. All the wild animals moved to higher ground just about everywhere it hit. Why all these other species of animal, but not humans? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0104_050104_tsunami_animals.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #2 January 5, 2005 no it is just that we've modified our enviroment to the point where few pay attention to the senses they do have....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 January 5, 2005 Quote no it is just that we've modified our enviroment to the point where few pay attention to the senses they do have.... I would agree to that to a point. I feel like certain animals have a greater ability for awareness due to better hearnig and the ability to hear more frequencies for example. I do agree that most people are oblivious to most things and tune out most of what their senses pick up.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #4 January 5, 2005 When I lived in Southern Calif. my dog jumped up on my bed one night and woke me. She was going crazy. A few minutes later an earthquake hit. I believe animals do have a sixth sense. When ever I'm out on a backpacking trip and my animals start acting strange, I pay attention to what they are trying to tell me.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 January 5, 2005 QuoteThere were virtually no animal deaths from the tsunamis. All the wild animals moved to higher ground just about everywhere it hit. Why all these other species of animal, but not humans? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0104_050104_tsunami_animals.html For some reason, animals seem to be able to detect these type of things (earthquakes and such) well before humans do.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #6 January 5, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere were virtually no animal deaths from the tsunamis. All the wild animals moved to higher ground just about everywhere it hit. Why all these other species of animal, but not humans? http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0104_050104_tsunami_animals.html For some reason, animals seem to be able to detect these type of things (earthquakes and such) well before humans do. Me thinks animals have developed stronger and different senses than humans. dogs can smell and hear better than we do. Some how our hounds know when one of us is coming home a couple of minutes before we get there. We've seen this numerous times since one of us humans is usually home. Sound? telepathy? When the hounds go nut's the girl/boy toy got 5 minutes to disapear Befor the boss drives up. When a predatory bird is in the area (hawk or eagle)the animals in the lower food chain will leave. Human flawed? Maybe just different R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #7 January 5, 2005 I think that this is a symptom of a much deeper human issue. I, personally, think that we depend too much on our intellect, and we think that reason will get us through anything. I think that this approach to the world has caused us to evolve in such a way that we have lost some of the faculties that we once may have had, or may have developed. We seem to lack some pretty standard skills that belong to damn near every other species except for man, this being a case in point. Everything else has a place in the natural balance of the world. If the world is destroyed, it's not going to be dolphins, or monkeys, or fleas with their great technological advances that will be the cause. It will be us, because of our dependence on this faculty of "reason" that we hold so dear and think makes us so much better than everything else out there, that we will ignore what is going on around us, and our basic needs. Just something to randomly throw out there... Let's just say that the world has an energy, or a balance, or whatever. It has a natural flow of life. The animals that ran to safety don't cause an imbalance, but we do. The animals didn't get harmed, but we did. I'm not trying to say anything spiritual, or say that the world is alive and flipped us off with a giant wave, but what if these disasters like this are indirectly caused by us, and it is the world's way of trying to restore balance? This is the Speaker's Corner, right? :-) -S_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteH 0 #8 January 5, 2005 I don't think animals have "sixth" sense in a way that's usually seen. I think they just used their highly developed senses (besides there are more senses in the animal kingdom than sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste) to sense something we won't sense ourself, but could sense with meters measuring the right thing we don't know yet. And latest studies have shown that different species are able to communicate with each other. It's possible that some animals sense the vibrations of the quake before it actually srikes hard, and then communicate it to the other animals that don't sense it yet. Or perhaps the birds had noticed that the abnormal waves are developing and informed other species. Animals (other than humans) are not as stupid most people seem to think. We are still in early phases of understanding animal behaviour. Maybe they actually understand that it's no good if only certain species survive. The catastrophy that kills some other species would affect to the whole ecosystem and also the species that might be the only one to know about the disaster before it happens. That's why it would be useful to inform other species. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #9 January 5, 2005 Interesting point. There have been "similar" reports from elsewhere: http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=859 " Diego Garcia: Grunts Can Sense Tsunamis in Advance." "One of the few places in the Indian Ocean that got the message of last week's earthquake and tidal waves in advance was Diego Garcia, a speck of British territory about 900 miles south of India, which hosts about 3200 US military personnel and civilian contractors and many US long-range bombers and Navy ships. Although directly in the path of the tidal wave, the Diego Garcia military base reported no damage. The base Commander, Lt. General Moro, said that "grunts have a sixth sense about this kind of thing," and unusual marine behavior observed in the hours and days preceding the arrival of the tsunami had led to the timely securing and evacuation of coastal areas. The suddenness of last week's events and the absence of a broad network of early warning systems meant that most people did not know they were in danger until the wave began to rise from the sea and reach inland. According to the Pacific Tsunami Warning Center: "we tried to warn people in Sri Lanka and the Maldives, but we don't have contacts in our address book for anybody in that part of the world." And the International Tsunami Information Centre in Hawaii agreed that "We didn't have a contact in place where you could just pick up the phone. We were starting from scratch. So, everybody basically went home to watch it on TV." According to General Moro, two days before the disaster, grunts were seen running around in packs, and driving around the base wildly. He referred to reports that, the evening before the earthquake, several grunts failed to return from liberty and thus were far from the most affected sites. Local people saw more grunts than usual sleeping in the streets, and by mid-December unusual behavior in large animals such as cows, horses, dogs and pigs was also reported. A mess cook, feeding some grunts before dawn on the day of the disaster, reported that, instead of eating, they started "jumping and kicking until they finally broke loose and ran outside." A few seconds later, tremendous rumbling noises were heard as a thirty foot high wave struck the coast. Other reports of unusual grunt behavior prior to the occurrence of earthquakes and other disasters include: refusing to stay in barracks; keeping their valuables with them outdoors; snoring strangely; jumping out of their bunks in the middle of the night; dashing about aimlessly; and losing their packs. It has also been reported that they began to congregate in huge swarms; sought higher ground; became agitated; left their usual hangouts, and refused to conduct dangerous missions. General Moro said there was a noticeable increase in strange behavior in the 24 hours before the tsunami struck, and he made the decision to prepare for an unspecified large scale disaster. Researchers find it very difficult to understand such mechanisms of response stimuli. "Physical or chemical stimuli come out of the earth prior to a major disruption, and these must be the stimuli that the grunts sense. For example, they may be able to hear the micro-fracturing of rocks a few milliseconds before a quake shock reaches the surface. Electromagnetic changes in the earth prior to an earthquake may be sensed by such animals as sharks and catfish which have low or high frequency receptors and sense such changes actively or passively. Also such electromagnetic field changes could be affecting migrating birds and the navigational ability of fish. The reduction of marines in basic training to a pre-civilized stage of development is bound to unearth some instinctual responses," Moro said." So there you go. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 January 5, 2005 QuoteWhen I lived in Southern Calif. my dog jumped up on my bed one night and woke me. She was going crazy. A few minutes later an earthquake hit. We notice when these events happen. We don't when the animals don't react, because we're distracted by the actual event. In short, I think the article is devoid of proof. And I don't believe animals can sense impending earthquakes a thousand miles away. Maybe they can sense pre tremors in the near viscinity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #11 January 5, 2005 QuoteIn short, I think the article is devoid of proof. I don't think it was trying to proove anything. Seemed pretty objective to me. They even stated that there have been studies that found nothing other than anecdotal reports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #12 January 5, 2005 I see no mystery here. Humans like to live near coastlines. The animals that live near coastlines are mostly marine species or birds, both of which have a means of escape that humans don't have. Animals are 100% involved with their environment. Humans are distracted by a myriad of other things, like arguing over politics and religion. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 January 5, 2005 That's pretty much the view that I have. Nicely put. I think the Matrix said it best...humans are a virus. They create nothing that benefits the world, only use its resources. This is the way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #14 January 5, 2005 QuoteAnimals are 100% involved with their environment. Humans are distracted by a myriad of other things, like arguing over politics and religion. You forgot guns! And don't forget being distracted by killing kittens and creating puppies!! Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #15 January 5, 2005 QuoteRelatively few animals have been reported dead, however, reviving speculation that animals somehow sense impending disaster. I don't know about you guys... but I might not notice the odd dead cow and a couple of chickens amongst the 30,000 corpses and 100,000 wrecked houses in my one town. Moreover, reporting them dead would probably far from high on my list of priorities. Besides, who the hell would I report them too and why would they even care... and that's only if I’m around to report them and wasn't killed by the wave myself of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 January 5, 2005 QuoteIt will be us, because of our dependence on this faculty of "reason" that we hold so dear and think makes us so much better than everything else out there, that we will ignore what is going on around us, and our basic needs. Just something to randomly throw out there... Let's just say that the world has an energy, or a balance, or whatever. It has a natural flow of life. The animals that ran to safety don't cause an imbalance, but we do. The animals didn't get harmed, but we did. I'm not trying to say anything spiritual, or say that the world is alive and flipped us off with a giant wave, but what if these disasters like this are indirectly caused by us, and it is the world's way of trying to restore balance? This is the Speaker's Corner, right? :-) nah I don't buy this. This is about on the same level as certain religious fundamentalists saying it was God's punishment, bla bla bla. some extreme fundmenatlists here in america were saying that a disproportionately large number of christians who were in the areas affected survived compared to non-christians. of course, they said this on monday or tuesday, and there's no way they could have had accurate data about this. But they WANTED it to be true. That's usually the basis of BS like this. someone starts out with a political/social/religious belief, then bends the events to fit it. a frickin' tectonic plate slid under another tectonic plate. that's what caused the tsunami. Not your politics or religion. QuoteI, personally, think that we depend too much on our intellect, other current events would suggest the opposite.... Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #17 January 5, 2005 Quotehumans are a virus. They create nothing that benefits the world, only use its resources. pretty narrow-minded view if you ask me. has it occurred to you that there might be a reason nature gave rise to things such as humans? as an analogy: pound for pound the human brain uses more carbohydrate energy than any other organ. Maybe if the brain was say, 1/5 the size it is, then we wouldn't burn so much food energy. so the human brain, being much larger than is necessary for biological function of the body, is just a burden by being unnecessarily large....(this is an example of only focusing on the cost of something, rather than looking at the big picture). Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #18 January 5, 2005 Quotea frickin' tectonic plate slid under another tectonic plate. that's what caused the tsunami. Not your politics or religion. Speed Racer Damn, and I thought that God made it happen because George W had a secret conspiracy to find WMD under the ocean. So much for that. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #19 January 5, 2005 Unless they still use rock and sticks as their primary tools. The primative tribes on the islands apparently knew enough to watch the animals and the sea and knew from their folklore to head to higher ground. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6786476/illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #20 January 5, 2005 Quote has it occurred to you that there might be a reason nature gave rise to things such as humans? Yes, it's occured to me. Haven't figured it out yet though. You can find a benefit to the ecosystem for just about every living and non living thing on this planet except two. Viruses and humans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #21 January 5, 2005 > I think the Matrix said it best...humans are a virus. "I'd like to share a revelation I had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Humans beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, and we are the cure." I always found that statement ironic, given that the first matrix was filmed in australia, where rabbits decimated the vegetation of an entire continent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #22 January 5, 2005 QuoteNot your politics or religion. Not to get picky, but I would appreciate you not putting words in my mouth...religion and politics had absolutely nothing to do with my post. You're perfectly welcome to disagree. You can't, though, just group me with Christian Fundamentalists because part of what I say may be somewhat similar to part of what they might say. I talked about humans vs. animal survival...not anything about one human vs. another based on their belief structure. Sorry. I just see an enormous difference and take offense to being categorized like this. Thanks, Steve_____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #23 January 5, 2005 Hi Bill don't know about the rabbits in down under but there's a natural equilbrium in nature. If you mess with the food chain the lower species will multiply. I think some of the folks killed in the Tsnumai were uplanders that moved to the coast to work int the tourist industry. In other area's from the beore and after photoe's it looked like their had been a lot of land reclamation going on by farmers, tour industry etc. Don't know if the more primative human tribes on the islands did that. R.i.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,110 #24 January 5, 2005 >don't know about the rabbits in down under but there's a >natural equilbrium in nature. That's literally true. But part of that equilibrium is decimation of species, plauges, extinctions, catastrophic forest fires etc. Viruses are as much a part of that equilibrium as anything else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 January 5, 2005 QuoteThat's pretty much the view that I have. Nicely put. I think the Matrix said it best...humans are a virus. They create nothing that benefits the world, only use its resources. Every creature does that - we're the only ones that can recognize it. That we still do it isn't our finest attribute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites