Its been too long, lets chat about guns.

[JohnRich 4]

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"BEER BEFORE BREAKFAST..."
Lord, that leaves one fine impression after reading that link.

Hint: it's parody.

[christelsabine 1]

The link?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[craddock 0]

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Is there any advantage with using an over under?

For upland game hunting they are a great gun. I want to get one in a 20 gauge for grouse and woodcock and it is still enough gun for pheasant. By having two barrels, you can select two different chokes. There is a selector for which barrel you want to fire first. You can set it to fire the more open choke first, and if you need a follow up shot, then you fire again with the tighter choked barrel.(as the bird will be farther away on the second shot)
If you ever hunt Grouse or Woodcock you will realize the benifit of a quick follow up shot.

Some dog hunting tests require a break action gun to be used for safety, so no one has to worry about someones gun being loading when not it use. You just keep the gun broke until it is your turn. The same goes for trap,skeet, sporting clays.

If you drop the gun in the field, you can service it very easily(use a stick to push dirt out of the barrel).
If you jammed the barrel full of dirt with a semi or pump it is more of a hassle to clean it out.

Just a few.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[JohnRich 4]

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The link?

The link to the web site was already provided, and you even included it in your reply. Do try and keep up.

Because I'm feeling generous today, maybe this will help you figure it out: http://www.montrosebeerandgunclub.com/MAQ.htm

Perhaps you should engage in a little reading at the referenced links before asking questions. I'm not always going to do your homework for you.

[AggieDave 6]

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What are your thoughts or views on the P 90

I'm NOT a fan. I've shot a few different P90s on a number of occasions and I've never been impressed with their performance or reliability.

For a .45 buy a Kimber or a Glock, some would say Sig which are great weapons, but I personally don't like them.

On the flip side, P90s are what the Mariachi shot with in Desperado, if you like movie guns.





John Rich:

Ok I can't call them weapons? Well this is going to take a long time, I've been refereing to "fun guns" as weapons for all of the 24 years I can remember.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ChasingBlueSky 0]

So if I am only shooting trap the advantage would be the break action more than two different chokes, right? I guess the chokes could help you while shooting skeet.

Where I shoot they only allow one shell loaded at a time and all barrells pointed down while walking

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[christelsabine 1]

Sorry, you misunderstood. My bad.

With my question "The link ?" I just wanted to ask you if that link itself is the parody mentioned by you.

Anyhow, thx for explaining again.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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I need to get a progressive press.

I recommend the Dillon reloading presses. They cost a little more up front than some other brands, but their customer service is second to none. I bought one used and second-hand, and they still replace worn-out parts for free. Even if you break something due to your own stupidity.

http://dillonprecision.com/default.cfm?

Army friend kept his dillon progressive model#?. the guy went first classHad a shell feeder. press out old primer press in new primer etc.

after all the stations were loaded a fully loaded round came out every time we pulled the handle.

Buddy had mass qty of primer tubes to only widget he didn't have was a gizmo that would check the powder to insure there wasn't a double charge.

The reload rate/hr was outragous. we never got close but when we went to the range we each shot 200 rds about $.07 ea.

So anyone ever shoot a RPG

R.I.P.

[JohnRich 4]

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Ok I can't call them weapons? Well this is going to take a long time, I've been refereing to "fun guns" as weapons for all of the 24 years I can remember.

Yeah, I was like that too, coming from the Marines. But when I went through the NRA Range Safety Officer training, this was something they emphasized. We've gone politically correct, in our own way...

[JohnRich 4]

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Sorry, you misunderstood. My bad. With my question "The link ?" I just wanted to ask you if that link itself is the parody mentioned by you.

All you had to do was click on that link to find out. How much trouble can that be?

Now maybe I understand why you are never swayed by the supporting references I provide for my arguments - you don't bother to read them...

[JohnRich 4]

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The reload rate/hr was outragous. we never got close but when we went to the range we each shot 200 rds about $.07 ea. Not including the cost of the machine.

Yes, with the money you save buying commercial ammo, the expense of the reloading equipment can quickly pay for itself.

However, there's a catch. When you can produce ammo so cheap, you tend to shoot more. Thus, the savings aren't as great as if you kept shooting the same amount of ammo as before.

But shooting more makes you a better shooter, so it's still worth it.

Furthermore, in addition to quantity, you can increase quality over commercial ammo. Commercial ammo is produced to be safe to shoot in a variety of different guns, with different actions, different barrel lengths, different rifling twist rates, and so on. By reloading your own ammo, you can custom-make your ammo to match your exact combination of design factors. Thus, you not only get more ammo, cheaper, but it's more accurate too. It's a win-win situation.

You just have to be really careful not to blow your face off.

[craddock 0]

If you only shoot trap and never intend to shoot doubles the extra barrel is not very important. It's great for doubles, or you could take it to a sporting clays event

Other considerations are reliability and ease of maintenance. I have heard of people breaking a firing pin and swithing barrels to continue with the same gun also.

What are you using now?

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[christelsabine 1]

JohnRich, am I talking Kisuaheli?

From my reply you should have known, before my post I read that damn link! I read it, otherwise could not have been able to refer on "Beer Before Breakfast! " I had a long view on that link.



You drive me crazy, JohnRich.



Go on discussing about *eapons. I need a new rifle for hunting wild boars in Alsace. If there is any good advise besides just shooting money into the air at shooting ranges, I'd be pleased to listen. The average of that animal is about 80 kgs, if not more. 110 kgs is not rare.
Thx.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

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If you only shoot trap and never intend to shoot doubles the extra barrel is not very important. It's great for doubles, or you could take it to a sporting clays event

Other considerations are reliability and ease of maintenance. I have heard of people breaking a firing pin and swithing barrels to continue with the same gun also.

What are you using now?

I picked up one of my friend's old Winchester. I can't remember which one it is right now. 12 guage, double.

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The reload rate/hr was outragous. we never got close but when we went to the range we each shot 200 rds about $.07 ea. Not including the cost of the machine.

Yes, with the money you save buying commercial ammo, the expense of the reloading equipment can quickly pay for itself.

However, there's a catch. When you can produce ammo so cheap, you tend to shoot more. Thus, the savings aren't as great as if you kept shooting the same amount of ammo as before.

But shooting more makes you a better shooter, so it's still worth it.

Furthermore, in addition to quantity, you can increase quality over commercial ammo. Commercial ammo is produced to be safe to shoot in a variety of different guns, with different actions, different barrel lengths, different rifling twist rates, and so on. By reloading your own ammo, you can custom-make your ammo to match your exact combination of design factors. Thus, you not only get more ammo, cheaper, but it's more accurate too. It's a win-win situation.

You just have to be really careful not to blow your face off.

Affirmative

We shot a lot every time we went. Saw wheel guns where some cowboy tried a hot load and blew half the wheel off

We did have a few misfires out of 1000's of rounds. Most were just stove pipes but maybe thre times the sound and kickback just didn't feel right. Clear the weapon break it down and there would be a bullet lodged in the barrel.

The only thing we could figure was the casing didn't get crimped hard enough around the bullet. Lesson learned if it don't feel right stop, clear the weapon, break it down, then look down the barrel. Also learned to take tools to the range.
After the Brady bill felt a little paranoid about haveing large cans of powder and cases of primer in the house. I think we had enough shells to do a rune of 2000 and then wait for empty shells to do another run.

Not worth the effort to crank it up for 200 rounds. Gotta shoot a lot to make it worth your time

We did mostly 9mm's when my friend did some of his desert eagle the powder would disapear!

So anyone shoot a RPG the concussion must be outstanding. The Desert Eagle concussion was bad enough we would move as far away from that monster as possiable.

R.i.P.

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However, there's a catch. When you can produce ammo so cheap, you tend to shoot more. Thus, the savings aren't as great as if you kept shooting the same amount of ammo as before.

But shooting more makes you a better shooter, so it's still worth it.

Where have I heard this before?

Let's see...
However, there's a catch. When you can [make cheaper skydives because you bought your own equipment and came off student status], you tend to [jump] more. Thus, the savings aren't as great as if you kept s[kydiv]ing the same amount . . . as before.

But s[kydiv]ing more makes you a better s[kydiv]er, so it's still worth it.

Oh yeah, now I remember.

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Is there any advantage with using an over under?

vs a semi auto : They handle better, are more reliable, and the two barells have different chokes for the first and second birds.

vs a pump: They handle better and the two barells have different chokes.

vs a side-by-side: I like how over-unders look.

[craddock 0]

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Is there any advantage with using an over under?

vs a side-by-side: I like how over-unders look.

The O/U has a narrow/single sighting plane compared to the wide plane of the side by side.
The side by side is also said to obstruct the view of the target due to the horizontal barrels, mainly with clays due to their shallow/brief rise. This is not as much of an issue on game birds. ( I have never shot a side by side on clays)
Many of them also have double triggers either as an option or standard.

You will see very few side by sides for clays, but they are great for the field. I said earlier I was looking for an O/U for Grouse, when I should have said I was looking for a Double Gun.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[JohnRich 4]

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We did have a few misfires out of 1000's of rounds. Most were just stove pipes but maybe thre times the sound and kickback just didn't feel right. Clear the weapon break it down and there would be a bullet lodged in the barrel... Lesson learned if it don't feel right stop, clear the weapon, break it down, then look down the barrel. Also learned to take tools to the range.

Yep, all excellent advice.

I don't reload handgun ammo, since that's fairly cheap to buy commercially already. I understand that the amount of powder in a handgun case is so small, that you can easily overcharge and not notice it. In rifle cases, on the other hand, the powder nearly fills the case to the base of the bullet, so it's easy to peek inside and see if the level is about right - thus, a deadly overcharge is harder to do by mistake.

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After the Brady bill felt a little paranoid about haveing large cans of powder and cases of primer in the house. I think we had enough shells to do a rune of 2000 and then wait for empty shells to do another run.

I don't understand what the Brady Bill had to do with that. I keep several different types of powders for my reloading, and in 8-lb. cans. So at any one time, I might have 24 lbs. of powder in the closet. There is some federal law that says if you have more than (I think) 32 lbs, then you are required to have a sturdy storage locker for it. That's stupid, actually, since uncontained powder just burns briskly, but doesn't explode. But if you confine it in an airtight locker, then the whole locker acts like a cartridge case, and you can get an explosion. Doh!

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We did mostly 9mm's when my friend did some of his desert eagle the powder would disapear!

.30-06 takes about 45 grains per case, so an 8-lb can only gets you about 1,200 cartridges. If you're doing a lot of .30-06 shooting, the mailman can think you're a terrorist, with all the powder he's delivering.

Combine that with the skydiving stuff he's delivering to your mailbox, and he's going to think: "He's crazy, and he's well armed!"

[usskydiver 0]

So anyone ever shoot a RPG
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Nope, just shot AT with an RPG.

[Flygurl 0]

I'm not a fan of the P90, either.

Cast my vote for the Glock .45

What's not to love? It's smooth, reliable, and accurate... just try not to shoot yourself.

Of course I also really like my Desert Eagle 9 just for fun. Then there's the Remington 870 Express Magnum for home defense. No need for accuracy there...

Guns are Fun.

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[bch7773 0]

one thing i love about over/unders is how quick you can get off that second shot... great for shooting at 2 clays.

but for hunting, i prefer pump... especially for bird hunting where there is more then 1 or 2 birds flying at once. plus pumps sound more like the movies when you pump them

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[EBSB52 0]

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I'm not a fan of the P90, either.

Cast my vote for the Glock .45

What's not to love? It's smooth, reliable, and accurate... just try not to shoot yourself.

Of course I also really like my Desert Eagle 9 just for fun. Then there's the Remington 870 Express Magnum for home defense. No need for accuracy there...

Guns are Fun.

I agree, the P90 is a good pistol if on a budget, but not my first choice. I have a 9mm Glock which is the sweetest shooting gun I own - never played withthe .45 tho - bet it's smooth too

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RPG

R.I.P.

[JohnMitchell 16]

Owned a Ruger P-95DC in 9MM for a while, trigger too creepy, so I sold it. Valinda (my wife) carries a Glock 19 but I moved up to a Sig in .40 SW. Sweet! Also have a .38 Airweight for hot days and a High Power for a little classic 9MM shooting. You just can't have too many guns. Got a full locker of .22 rifles and handguns for plinking, practice, and for the kids to shoot. We're lucky to be members at a private range just minutes away from home and DZ. The weather is supposed to suck this weekend, so it looks like I'll be shooting some new handloads.

Thanks for getting a good thread going, Dave.

P.S. Let's hear it for cheap Hi-cap magazines again.

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