Its been too long, lets chat about guns.

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Sure if its locked open, but how many accidents have you heard about someone "cleaning their gun and shooting themselve?"

Several through the papers and media. That does not mean they are all true. I would bet a good portion of them are actually suicides.

If you said " treat it like it was loaded" and then check I would agree. I never assume any of my weapons are loaded. Nothing worse than missing a target because you assumed you had another round in the chamber. It only take a second to check.

btw-Most pumps don't lock with the action open.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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jcd... Sounds like it could be a Mossberg Model 44 - does this look familiar?

I'm pretty sure that's the one, except I'm not sure whether mine is the British model or the American one. I will have to check for the differences next time I have acces to the rifle.

Thanks for your help.

chris

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[usskydiver 0]

***So I always assume they're loaded and drop magazine (if needed) and lock the slide open. Then again, usually my weapons ARE loaded so its a good rule for me.
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I know what you mean Dave. The Glock 19 in the left nightstand is loaded w/17 and the Kimber TCII in the right nightstand is loaded w/7. Now I have to consider how to keep the long gun....

[DrewEckhardt 0]

There's a skeet range a couple minutes from my house so I've been meaning to buy a Baikal IZH27 Sporting for some time. Friends' handle and shoot well, I _love_ over-unders, and you cannot beat the price ($500 is almost rediculous). It'll be my first shotgun (it took twenty years after I fired a rifle for the first time and about a decade since I bought my first handgun for me to shoot a shotgun!)

I've also been wanting a HK G3 (nice sights, doesn't stop working when the extractor fails) or .308 Galill (what's not to like about a sport utility rifle that has a built-in bottle opener? ) ARM.

My accountants' plan to have me withold enough over 9 months to also cover the 3 months before I started witholding plus extra automatic tax payments once I stopped being self-employed meant I became way over-witheld, the job change meant I paid too much social security beyond that, and my last startup finally died so I can write-off some of the worthless stock.

The resulting huge difference between expected and real tax liability means I should be able to buy some toys

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You know, I've really been wanting to get a squared away AR-15...

Me too...but nowhere close for me to shoot it. Can't use it in the little indoor ranges here in the city.

1. There are pistol caliber uppers (9mm, .40 S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP, you name it). The lower receiver is the regulated part so these don't need to transfer on a form 4473.

2. There are .22 conversion kits.

3. There are dedicated .22 uppers which have no gas port to clog and chambers which shouldn't have the excess leade of a conversion kit.

Enjoy!

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How many times have you done this????

Racked the slide to empty the chamber....THEN dropped the mag?

I did...once. Luckily I've made it a habit to rack the slide at least twice, and also check the chamber with my pinky.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Fuck assuming. Check.

Sure if its locked open, but how many accidents have you heard about someone "cleaning their gun and shooting themselve?"

It's impossible to clean all popular firearms without disassembly. Most firearms do not require you to drop the hammer/striker to take them apart. I think the "it went off while I was cleaning it" is just a weasly way to get out of trouble when some one is negligent with a gun. Reports of "cleaning accidents" usually don't say anything about manslaughter charges when a fatality results, discharge of fireams within city limits, reckless endangerment, etc.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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How many times have you done this????

Racked the slide to empty the chamber....THEN dropped the mag?

Never. It's muscle memory.

[AggieDave 6]

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Racked the slide to empty the chamber....THEN dropped the mag?

Maybe once. I am a "man of my ways" I learn a certain muscle memory that I know to be safe with handling firearms and engrain it in my head. All the way to which side I lay a handgun on.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[PhillyKev 0]

Yeah...me too. I did it shortly after getting my first auto. Prior to that, only had a revolver.

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I did ramp a round while trying to 1. clear a jam and 2. clear my weapon at an IDPA practice meet. They don't let you lower the hammer, you have to dry fire the hammer down while pointed down range to prove emptiness between rounds.

That is honestly the first time in my life that I was caught off guard, BUT the weapon was pointed down range on purpose. The range master got a good laugh out of it, since he saw the round get ramped and it surprised the fuck out of me.

That's literally the only time I can think of that I've fucked up, but the safety SOP proved to be correct and although surprising, the round was fired safely in a safe direction.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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There's a skeet range a couple minutes from my house so I've been meaning to buy a Baikal IZH27 Sporting for some time

Not familiar with this gun at all but I in the market for an over/under. I almost bought a Ruger Red Label 12 Ga. used(95%) for $750 about 6 weeks ago. If this Baikal is of decent quality over/under it would be a bargain. I am thinking of getting one in a 20 gauge though and I have not found that much available localy.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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Since you said this is your first personally owned weapon (I'm going to not assume you've used weapons before), I want to say a couple of things.

1. ALWAYS assume its loaded and chambered.

I've never owned one, nor ever used a shotgun. But hitting 40/40 on a my M-16A/2 for Uncle Sam and being Range OIC 3 times, and Range safety Officer another 3 times, I've had the displeasure of dealing with an accidental discharge!

What do you recommend for gun safes?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[AggieDave 6]

I've always been a fan of Browning and Sentry gun safes.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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I want another long gun for no particular purpose. What should I get?

The surplus Swiss Schmidt Rubin K-31's are a heck of a bargain. I bought one about 8 years ago for $300, but now the Swiss are emptying their warehouses and they're going for $125. Well made, and good shooters, with ammo readily available.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/RI1081-G.html

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I need to get a progressive press.

I recommend the Dillon reloading presses. They cost a little more up front than some other brands, but their customer service is second to none. I bought one used and second-hand, and they still replace worn-out parts for free. Even if you break something due to your own stupidity.

http://dillonprecision.com/default.cfm?

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I own an old Mossberg .22 cal military (I think) rifle. It is bolt action, with a seven shot clip. The front sight is what I would consider a normal style sight for most any .22. The rear sight is an aperture sight...

Sounds like a Mossberg Model 44, which was made for the Army for marksmanship training in boot camp. The idea was to teach recruits proper technique first with a no-recoil .22 rimfire, then move them up to the .30 calibers where they had to worry about recoil and flinching.

I've got one myself, and it's one of the best-shooting rifles I own.

It's finicky on ammo though. The cheap stuff produces large groups, but if you use the Federal Gold Medal Ultra Match, you can get 1" groups at 100 yards.

Photos here

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were there different manufacturers providing different models for essentially the same purpose.

Oh yeah. In WWII, there were four different companies making the M1 Garand rifle, and 10 companines making the M1 Carbine.

Amongst the Carbine makers were IBM (typewriters), Singer (sewing machines) and Rockolo (juke boxes). Amongst the Garand makers was International Harvester (tractors), which was chosen to geographically disperse (to the mid-west) some of the gun production, so that it wouldn't be concentrated in the north-east for ease of sabotage by Nazi agents.

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I've got one myself, and it's one of the best-shooting rifles I own.

It's finicky on ammo though. The cheap stuff produces large groups, but if you use the Federal Gold Medal Ultra Match, you can get 1" groups at 100 yards.

While I don't shoot often, it is my favorite rifle to shoot, of the two I own.

I know my grandfather purchased several .22s in his lifetime to try to find one that matched his perception of the Mossberg's accuracy.

Thanks for the info.

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[JohnRich 4]

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I'll be damned. It was made for the Brittish. I'd never have guessed that.

Made for U.S. troop training originally, and the British adopted it also.

Info: http://www.cobs.com/lprgc/m44faq.htm

In the reverse, during WWI, the U.S. didn't have enough Model 1903 Springfield rifles, so we adopted the British Enfield Pattern 1914 rifle, and changed it from British .303 caliber to shoot American .30-06. We called the U.S. version the U.S. Enfield Model 1917. By the end of the war, there were actually more U.S. Enfields in service than there were M1903 Springfields.

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That's a good weapon, very very popular with hunters for many years.

Psssst. Hey Dave! We're not supposed to use the "w" word anymore. They're firearms, not "weapons". By calling it a "weapon" it implies that its intended use is against human targets. And when talking about hunting or target guns, that gives the wrong impression to the general public.

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.308 Galill (what's not to like about a sport utility rifle that has a built-in bottle opener?

That would be handy with this gun club:
http://www.montrosebeerandgunclub.com/

[Zep 0]

What are your thoughts or views on the P 90

Gone fishing

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.308 Galill (what's not to like about a sport utility rifle that has a built-in bottle opener?

That would be handy with this gun club:
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Holy Moses! ROFLMAO

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And after ?

Looking for *eapons? Nice fine training at the range,
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Lord, that leaves one fine impression after reading that link.



Holy cow.

Sorry JohnRich, couldn't resist. It's your link.

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Is there any advantage with using an over under?

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