Are we becoming what we are supposedly fighting against

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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where is this magical rule that says only a declaration of war makes it legal, is this your rule or is it written somewhere?

It is the US Constitution, I suggest you read it beyond the 2nd amendmend.

[jcd11235 0]

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I will call you a man that judges books by their covers.

Then you are demonstrating that you know nothing about me. But, you are free to make uninformed judgements; many do it all the time.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I have a copy thanks...And we followed it.

As you are so fond of saying....provide proof, until then you are just lieing.

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You still need a dictonary.

I didn't realize legal matters were solved with a dictionary

[peregrinerose 0]

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{{walks in and kicks the dead semantic horse. it's kind of squishy}}

I second that. The flies are starting to reproduce in the rotting carcass.

What a war of words going on here, truly making me seasick with the dizziness.

It's so easy to play armchair quarterback without knowing every morsel of information that led to this mess in Iraq.

Personally, I think they don't want democrasy, they don't want us there. The people that we are calling troublemakers there are no different than our 'insurrectionists' in 1775. Their culture can not comprehend democrasy any more than we can comprehend their way of life. Is this whole thing over there right or wrong? Probably neither and both.

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[mr2mk1g 10]

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Congress approved the use of force. That makes it legal. You may not like it, but get over it.

Authorised by Congress yes... but not "Constitutional" if force amounts to waging war (and most would agree a "war" has taken place).

If a "war" has indeed occured and no "Declaration of War" has been issued there has been an unconstitutional act as per the US constitution.

Now as I indicated above there may be an argument over "who" or "what body" perpetrated that act. Bush for going ordering the country to war without a declaration or Congress for authorising "force" but not issuing the declaration that would be required by the constitution to make it constitutional. Or both.

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Thats not even close to serving in the military.
A very sad attempt to give yourself credability.

I already served my time Ron. As for draft dodgers, I admire anyone with the backbone to stand for what they believe in.

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Your opinion.

Are you saying that the higher rate of terrorist attacks worldwide is a safety precaution? Driving desperate people to desperate measures is not doing positive things for world or national security, regardless of how Shrub spins it.

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Where is your MBA? You fly fighter jets?

Neither an MBA nor a pilot's license are prerequisites of intelligence.
With a powerful daddy to pull strings (not that there is anything wrong with a father helping his son) they are not even indicators of intelligence.

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Clinton was a good speaker, but a lousy leader and a corupt man.

Yeah, lying about a blowjob is what ultimately caused the war on terror. It would be very dificult to demonstrate that Clinton was nearly as corrupt as Shrub.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Impossible, Bush doesn't make mistakes.

[Ron 10]

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I have a copy thanks...And we followed it.

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As you are so fond of saying....provide proof, until then you are just lieing.

Well lets see...The Supreme Court has not stepped in, and Congress has not voted to impeach the President....So the two methods of checking the Prez have not been used....

Like I said, legal. You might want to read our Constitution before you try to play this game.

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I didn't realize legal matters were solved with a dictionary

They are not, but you need to know WHAT you are saying before you claim something.

You have failed to provide proof that it was illegal. Congress and the Supreme Court ahve not done anything to say it was illegal.

Get over it.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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1. You are not clever enough or informed enough to question decisions made by your elected policians so don't bother.

None of us have been privvy to every bit of documentation revolving around this Iraq thing. And I mean that from both the US and Iraqi side of things. None of us have sat in on every meeting and discussion, most of us have not been to Iraq and dealt with the people directly. So no, we can not possibly have enough information to truly make a decision. It isn't a matter of being stupid or uninformed. Just making decisions based on the bits of information that are on the Internet or evening news.

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2. You are very lucky that 'heros' enlisted and fought in Iraq so that you can be free to criticize them.

To put 'heros' in quotes is disrespectful. Until I started talking with some of the guys that have been there for the last year and are heading back for another 1-2 years, I have a lot of respect for them. One trains MPs there, he is fluent enough in the language to communicate with them in their own terms and has learned a lot about their way of life, culture, etc. No one made him do that, he does it because it is the right thing to do. It was a fascinating conversation.

I can only speak for the guys that I have run across, but I've been impressed with how they are handling it and their attitudes toward the Iraqi people whether they agree with the initial war or not. So yes, I do see them as heros regardless of whether or not I agree with what Bush has gotten us into.

Jen

Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

[jcd11235 0]

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It is not illegal. Congress voted to use force.

You keep saying that, but continue to fail to support the statement with evidence. Where is the legislation directing Shrub to use force?

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[Ron 10]

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You keep saying that, but continue to fail to support the statement with evidence. Where is the legislation directing Shrub to use force?

They didn't DIRECT him, they allowed him.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[Ron 10]

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Neither an MBA nor a pilot's license are prerequisites of intelligence

Prerequisites, no. Proof of, Yes.

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they are not even indicators of intelligence.

Tell that to people with an MBA in your job interviews.

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Yeah, lying about a blowjob is what ultimately caused the war on terror

No, but lying under oath is perjury and shows what kind of man he was.

And the war on terror...Don't get me started on what Clinton fucked up on. He could have stopped this, but he choose to ignore it. Don't forget we had more attacks on Clintons watch than under Bush...And 9/11 was planned while Clinton was in office.

Go fish.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[billvon 3,120]

>Get over it.

>A very sad attempt to give yourself credability.

>provide proof, until then you are just lieing.

>You still need a dictonary.

This thread has nowhere left to go but down.