JohnRich 4 #1 December 30, 2004 In the news: THIS month the National Academy of Sciences issued a 328-page report on gun-control laws. The big news is that the academy's panel couldn't identify any benefits of decades-long effort to reduce crime and injury by restricting gun ownership. The academy, however, should believe its own findings. Based on 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, a survey that covered 80 different gun-control measures and some of its own empirical work, the panel couldn't identify a single gun-control regulation that reduced violent crime, suicide or accidents... Source: New York Post From the National Academy of Sciences: Current research and data on firearms, violent crime, and suicide are too weak to support strong conclusions about the effects of various violence-prevention, deterrence and control measures, says a new report from the National Academies' National Research Council. Source: N.A.S. After all these decades of trying numerous different schemes, they still can't say that gun control works! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #2 December 30, 2004 We'll never be able to keep guns from getting into the 'wrong' hands. Someone with 'ill-intent' and wants a gun, WILL get a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #3 December 30, 2004 QuoteWe'll never be able to keep guns from getting into the 'wrong' hands. Someone with 'ill-intent' and wants a gun, WILL get a gun. That is a reasonable assumption. However we will never be able to stop people from getting baseball bats, knives, bows and arrows, etc. Shall we attempt to ban every single item that is dangerous and could get into the "wrong" hands?The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #4 December 30, 2004 I think that was his point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 December 30, 2004 Amazing,all the money (& time) they pissed away on the wages,paper,ink,postage, research,etc. to come to that"brilliant"conclusion.Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #6 December 30, 2004 So... Everyone get ready... Mount your favourite hobby-horse... Take a tight grip on the reins... And dig your heels in for a good hard gallop over a very familiar course! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 December 30, 2004 oh you're soooo cynical Surely something new will come out this time around (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #8 December 30, 2004 "Guns are bad, mmmmkay?" "Suck my balls." "Present them." "Oh my god! You killed Kenny! You bastard!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 December 30, 2004 Quote"Guns are bad, mmmmkay?" "Suck my balls." "Present them." "Oh my god! You killed Kenny! You bastard!" I think you forgot "Eat My Shorts"I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #10 December 30, 2004 Wrong show, dude. Don't have a cow! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 December 30, 2004 QuoteWrong show, dude. Don't have a cow! Doh!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 December 31, 2004 ...or badminton rackets, pipe wrenches, crow-bars, anything can be a weapon. The human fist! So, it looks like a stand-off. The good guys vs the bad guys. That is why, we have police officers. Let 'em do their job! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #13 December 31, 2004 ummm... I was under it impression that it was the police officers job to "enforce" the laws, which, as it's been explained to me, means that the law has to be broken for them to interfere. The motto may be "Protect and Serve" but there are limits and it does fall to the citizen to protect themselves at times. Few years back, I wa home alone one night - husband on a business trip, 3am, noise back behind the house, someone looking in the basement windows.... called 911, Police did respond, but in a rather condescending mannor "It's ok, dear... there was no one back there..." (made me feel protected and served!) Ruffled my feathers a bit, but still not their job to guard my house and my life.... Their job is to find whoever happens to break the law and bring justice. Bit of a difference there. (but I'm sure this point has been made before previously too... but I just wanted to respond to the "That is why we have police officers" comment.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 December 31, 2004 Whoever was looking in your basement windows, obviously fled before police got there. Did you happen to notice if, the officer(s) searched the neighborhood? In the officer's 'own' way, I think, he was trying to be consoling. If, you feel that you were 'wronged' by the officer(s), talk with a Sergeant or someone else at the department. Cops are human, too. Maybe, he was having a bad night or something was bothering him. Just don't let that one incident deter you from calling them in the future. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkm2500 0 #15 December 31, 2004 Its turns into a mundane argument about guns. I see your point, and even agree that if nobody had the ability (law abiding/criminal) to get their hands on a gun, no one would be killed by a gun. However, there will always be someone willing to kill to accomplish their agenda(using whatever weapon they get their hands on). So until the day that all people determine that there is no need to kill, then I will own firearms. Think about this....taking firearms away from the law abiding citizens will not make murder any more illegal then it already is. It is already illeagal to kill another human being, no matter what you use to do it. By the way, in the event that someone breaks into my house, the police will get the opportunity to do their job. They will fill out a report about a legal use of a firearm to defend myself and my family.The primary purpose of the Armed Forces is to prepare for and to prevail in combat should the need arise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #16 December 31, 2004 Quote...or badminton rackets, pipe wrenches, crow-bars, anything can be a weapon. The human fist! So, it looks like a stand-off. Right, and if a 20 year old guy on crack tries to break in, rob, and rape a 60 year old woman, threatening her with a crow bar, it's no stand off. He wins. With a legal firearm which she has been trained to use, guess what....she wins. No standoff. The job of the police is to investigate crime, not prevent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 December 31, 2004 Several years ago, an elderly lady in Chicago, was going to her bank to make a deposit. A young thug, tried to 'wrestle' her purse from her. The elderly lady, maintained control of her purse and beat the would-be purse snatcher half to death. When police arrived, they deemed it necessary to call an ambulance for the thug! The thug was charged with assault and attempted robbery. The elderly lady was a 'hero'! I neglected to mention... the elderly lady's purse contained several rolls of quarters. Talk about 'armed and dangerous'! So, as it has been pointed-out, anything can be a weapon. Either for wrong or right. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #18 December 31, 2004 To me, 'gun control' is a moot point. I guess, like anything else, there will always be pros and cons in regard to gun ownership. This great country of ours, was in many ways, 'settled' with guns. for good or bad, guns have played a role in in this country. They continue to play a role in our society. We have the 'privilage' to legally own guns. The bad guys will have guns, whether we like it or not. I don't 'expect' trouble but, I'm 'legally' prepared! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #19 December 31, 2004 QuoteTo me, 'gun control' is a moot point. I guess, like anything else, there will always be pros and cons in regard to gun ownership. This great country of ours, was in many ways, 'settled' with guns. for good or bad, guns have played a role in in this country. They continue to play a role in our society. We have the 'privilage' to legally own guns. The bad guys will have guns, whether we like it or not. I don't 'expect' trouble but, I'm 'legally' prepared! Chuck Very well put, I like that... I to like the fact that I can be and am 'legally' prepared. Banning guns will only remove guns from the law abiding citizen, making us all a little bit less able to defend ourselves and letting the criminals know that they have one hell of alot less threat when they go to do that thing they do.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sabr190 0 #20 December 31, 2004 Gun Control = The ability to hit what yer aiming at "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few, or the one" - rehmwa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #21 December 31, 2004 QuoteGun Control = The ability to hit what yer aiming at Ahhh, gun EDUCATION... Now that's some good stuff .. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #22 December 31, 2004 Stay calm, good aim and.... squeeeze the trigger! Can't be shakin' like a dog shittin' peach seeds! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #23 December 31, 2004 QuoteWe have the 'privilage' to legally own guns. It's not a priveledge, it's a RIGHT!!! I'm just glad you mention that there are benefits as well as costs. Just about every person that wants to ban guns only wants to talk about the costs, and refuses to discuss the benefits. I'd say two or three million crimes prevented each year is enough of a benefit to be worth discussion, but that just me.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #24 December 31, 2004 Quote After all these decades of trying numerous different schemes, they still can't say that gun control works! Sure it does. Gun control means using _both hands_. I'm a lot more accurate in a Weaver stance than trying to shoot one handed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #25 January 1, 2005 You are right. I was thinking of those people in the world who cannot own guns. Here I am in the 'Land of the free, home of the brave' and all it's privilages. They want to talk about costs!? If you want a GOOD gun, you're gonna have to pay for it! GOOD guns ain't cheap! It would cost more to try to rid the world of guns! Gimme a break! I'll just keep mine, thank you very much! So true! If, a citizen with a gun can stop/prevent one crime from being comitted and the person comitting the crime is killed by a gun owner... look at the savings to the city, county and state! Costs of a trial, cost of housing and clothing the 'culprit'... sheesh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
