craddock 0 #101 January 4, 2005 I agree. This guy went from claiming he had "no access to healthcare", to acnowledging that he can't find a job that meets his "living wage"? requirements. What a joke. Hell if he lived in my territory, I would provide him with health insurance just for the his time that he spends on this forum. By claiming that he has "no access to health care" , which really meant he is being too selective with job options, he loses credibility for future debates on this forum. Why do so many people want somthing for nothing? Can we not have some acountability for ourselves. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #102 January 4, 2005 QuoteWhen your bet was on your word, no proof...Yes. You offered the bet yourself, already knowing that. QuoteI also offered a counter bet that you failed to take. Not taking some one up on a bet is significantly different from offering a bet and then withdrawing. like I said before, lots of talk, but not a whole lot of action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #103 January 4, 2005 QuoteWhy do so many people want somthing for nothing? Can we not have some acountability for ourselves. Why do so many country's expect us to support them in times of need? Why do they want something for nothing? Cant they be accountable for themselves? How about taking just a small percentage of that money and giving it to all the people that were screwed by Enron? Did they ask to have their life savings wiped out? No, just like the victims of the Tsunami disaster did not ask for what happened to them. If it wasnt for generous philanthropists, our country would be screwed because our government sure as shit doesnt care about its own population. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #104 January 4, 2005 Fun, enough pissing contests and all the threads will be locked. Then I can 'choose' to be willing to get some work done. Cause right now, I am unable to prioritize working over reading this stuff. If only the government would fix it for me. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #105 January 4, 2005 QuoteFun, enough pissing contests and all the threads will be locked. Then I can 'choose' to be willing to get some work done. Cause right now, I am unable to prioritize working over reading this stuff. If only the government would fix it for me. LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #106 January 4, 2005 QuoteI have to choose between a decent paying job now or and education now to help qualify me for a good paying job later. While I would like to have both (and have seen economic conditions in my adult lifete that would allow this), currently that is not likely, so I will make school a priority. I have been consistent with that idea. We have sure went along ways from your claim that "healthcare" is unavailable to you. Or is there something else I am missing, other than you holding yourself to too high of standards for employment yet crying that the system is flawed. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #107 January 4, 2005 QuoteYou offered the bet yourself, already knowing that. Yes as in I bet you will reply to me. You added a 1,000 price to it. Only a fool would bet 1,000 on the other persons opinion. QuoteNot taking some one up on a bet is significantly different from offering a bet and then withdrawing. like I said before, lots of talk, but not a whole lot of action. When I offored you the same deal you didn't reply. Afraid?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #108 January 4, 2005 QuoteWhen I offored you the same deal you didn't reply. Afraid? I know a sucker bet when I see one, or get offered one. Hence, I wouldn't go around offering people bets I know I will lose. I will gladly take bets I can't lose if people are stupid enough to offer them. Ron, I would have never offered that bet, or any bet based on an opinion. You did and when you realized what you had done, you withdrew the offer. Anyways, no need to keep on beating this dead horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #109 January 4, 2005 QuoteWe have sure went along ways from your claim that "healthcare" is unavailable to you. I haven't changed my story a bit. Clarified it for those who insist on implying I am lazy, but it has not changed a bit. And, no, I don't have access to healthcare. Its not my standard of employment that is keeping it from me, it is my standard of education. More specifically, since I desire and am working towards an education, my remaining options do not include access to healthcare. I cannot think of a single good reason why citizens of the richest nation on earth should have to choose between an education and healthcare. Yes, the system is flawed. And when I have advanced degrees and am making enough money to provide myself with basic necessities, I will still claim the system is flawed. I've never been known to just shut-up and color.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #110 January 4, 2005 QuoteI know a sucker bet when I see one, or get offered one. Hence, I wouldn't go around offering people bets I know I will lose. I will gladly take bets I can't lose if people are stupid enough to offer them. Ron, I would have never offered that bet, or any bet based on an opinion. You did and when you realized what you had done, you withdrew the offer. Anyways, no need to keep on beating this dead horse. ____________________________ So you blame me for not taking that bet? Silly This is the end."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #111 January 4, 2005 QuoteNo, just like the victims of the Tsunami disaster did not ask for what happened to them. No and I am donating to the victims. That's quite different than someone not taking a job and bitching they can't afford Healthcare. I have busted my self up pretty bad while opting not to pay for insurance. I never bitched about it, but I learned a couple of lessons. 1. It would have been much cheaper to pay for an insurance policy. 2 It was unwise to participate in a high risk sport without insurance. Still I never bitched. I chose not to pay for insurance and spend that money to risk my health instead. This guy chooses not to work. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #112 January 4, 2005 Quote *** This guy chooses not to work. You are correct, if you CHOOSE not to work then you do not deserve anything. But what about the people who do work hard and have their entire lives shattered, once again I will use enron as an example. What did our government do for them? Why are they any less deserving of the money we just GIVE AWAY to other country's? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #113 January 4, 2005 Quote This guy chooses not to work. Correction: I choose to go to school. As I consequence of that choice, I am at times unable to work. While you may only see it as semantics, that is different than choosing not to work. If the option were available, I would choose to do both. Unfortunately, at this point in spacetime, that is not an option available to me.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #114 January 4, 2005 QuoteI haven't changed my story a bit. Clarified it for those who insist on implying I am lazy, but it has not changed a bit. And, no, I don't have access to healthcare. Its not my standard of employment that is keeping it from me, it is my standard of education. More specifically, since I desire and am working towards an education, my remaining options do not include access to healthcare. Explain to me why you do not have access to Health care? Is it not because you are unwilling to pay for it? You have said you would work if you could find a job that fits your schedule that pays your "living wage". Instead you refuse to work at all based on the fact that you can't make your "living wage". You clearly have the time. Yet refuse to work and then claim you do not have access to healthcare. No, you choose not to . That's stupid. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #115 January 4, 2005 QuoteCorrection: I choose to go to school. As I consequence of that choice, I am at times unable to work. While you may only see it as semantics, that is different than choosing not to work. If the option were available, I would choose to do both. Unfortunately, at this point in spacetime, that is not an option available to me. Bullshit, you have already said that you choose not to work and that you are able, but you can not find a job that has the income you desire. Fuck semantics, you yourself have already admited the option is available if there was more income attached to it. You CHOOSE not to work. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #116 January 4, 2005 I'm thinking at this point, even if jcd wanted to back off he couldn't let himself. He either gets it and won't admit it because he's being ganged up on - or he doesn't get it after all this. As such, it's probably time we lay off of it. Word games are always the crappiest and most emotional arguments. and pointless. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #117 January 4, 2005 QuoteExplain to me why you do not have access to Health care? Is it not because you are unwilling to pay for it? Inability should not be confused with unwillingness. Healthcare costs lots of money, and is a significant drain on my income even when I am available to work 40-60 hrs a week. The jobs simply are not available here. But, as I am always looking, if you know of an employment lead, I will enthusiastically look into it. QuoteThat's stupid. Careful, the mods are really cracking down on the personal insults.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #118 January 4, 2005 QuoteBut what about the people who do work hard and have their entire lives shattered, once again I will use enron as an example. What did our government do for them? Why are they any less deserving of the money we just GIVE AWAY to other country's? While I fell very sorry for the folk at Enron, I am not sure that it is the Goverments responsibilty to compensate them because they did not have a diversified portfolio. That is investing 101. If your company pays a retirement plan/profitcharing in company stock you would be foolish to depend 100% in this as retirement income. Never ever, have all you eggs in one basket! That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #119 January 4, 2005 QuoteBullshit, you have already said that you choose not to work and that you are able, but you can not find a job that has the income you desire. Fuck semantics, you yourself have already admited the option is available if there was more income attached to it. That is an assumption you have made, not a statement I have made. Even poor paying jobs are hard to come by around here, especially for people who are not available M-F during the day. Of course, if you have employment leads, feel free to share. But your attacks are quite unproductive.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #120 January 4, 2005 Quote***I am not sure that it is the Goverments responsibilty to compensate them Is it our governments responsibility to support the needs of other country's in this world? Like I have said before, this goes way beyond the tsunami disaster. Our country has given out BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to other country's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #121 January 4, 2005 QuoteBut what about the people who do work hard and have their entire lives shattered, once again I will use enron as an example. What did our government do for them? Why are they any less deserving of the money we just GIVE AWAY to other country's? More than a million people are without the basic necessities of life (food, water, shelter, clothing). Comparing that to people who unwisely invested excess income is ridiculous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #122 January 4, 2005 Quote*** Of course, if you have employment leads, feel free to share. But your attacks are quite unproductive. Bartending, waiting tables, ups, fedex, dhl, stocking shelves at grocery stores, price club late night stocker, 7-11, gas stations, etc.... there are all kinds of jobs out there that have odd hours available, if you really want to work, you can. Can we please now get back to the issue at hand and that is how our government gives out way to much fucking money when it should be spending more helping the needy in our own country! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #123 January 4, 2005 QuoteBartending, waiting tables, ups, fedex, dhl, stocking shelves at grocery stores, price club late night stocker, 7-11, gas stations, etc.... You are assuming I have not already tried thes avenues. You assume too much, in this case.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #124 January 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteBartending, waiting tables, ups, fedex, dhl, stocking shelves at grocery stores, price club late night stocker, 7-11, gas stations, etc.... You are assuming I have not already tried thes avenues. You assume too much, in this case. How is it immigrants from other country's that cant speak english come here, go to school and work at the same time while supporting a family and paying bills? Perhaps you should ask ahmad how he does it next time you see him at the gas station, or perhaps raul next time you are sitting next to him in class. Where there is a will there is a way. Maybe it is time to swallow some pride. One other thing....when i was in school i went around painting house numbers on peoples curbs at 10 bucks a pop just to make some extra spending money. It is all about how determined you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #125 January 4, 2005 QuotePerhaps you should ask ahmad how he does it next time you see him at the gas station, or perhaps raul next time you are sitting next to him in class. I suppose it would be possible to be more rascist, but certainly not admirable. Quote Where there is a will there is a way. Maybe it is time to swallow some pride. It has nothing to do with pride. I am not terribly bothered by my unemployment, as it does offer oppurtunities I would not otherwise have, But I would take a job in a second, provided it will not have a detrimental effect on my studies, which are far mor important in the long-term. I can't fathom how anyone can realistically consider that refusal to work. An old Chinese proverb says: If you are planning for a year, plant rice. If you are planning for a decade, plant trees. If you are planting for a lifetime, get an education.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
