Ron 10 #26 December 30, 2004 QuoteFucking Hell! Since when did it turn into a competition? When Jan Egeland, the United Nations’ emergency relief coordinator accused several countries of being "stingy" Quote“And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become.” I found this on NBC... QuotePresident Bush mentioned the $2.4 billion that the U.S. provided this year in worldwide aid. That amount pales in comparison with the $13.6 billion that Bush requested and received in supplemental appropriations for the hurricanes that hit the southeastern United States and the Caribbean earlier this year. Of that amount, $100 million, less than 1 percent, went to other countries for their hurricane relief efforts. We should take care of our emergencies first....Duh!"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #27 December 30, 2004 QuoteDid someone mention"french bashing"? This morning, French President Chirac pledged one additional Euro to the disaster fund for every woman's razor sold in Paris the next 30 days. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #28 December 30, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid someone mention"french bashing"? This morning, French President Chirac pledged one additional Euro to the disaster fund for every woman's razor sold in Paris the next 30 days. Yeah.... but Chirac has put "Le Fix" in! I heard that Mme Chirac's returning 500 ladyshaves to the shops as unwanted Christmas pressies!.. So he's a guaranteed Eu499 ahead from the start! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #29 December 30, 2004 First of all I find it in very poor taste to use the Tsunami situation to bash the UN and the French. Over 120000 people have been killed. In general it is an old political trick to divert peoples "frustrations" by bashing third parties. This strategy goes back to Machiavelli. By demonising either foreigners or certain groups within your own community you divert away from your own faults and channel frustrations towards others. I find it interesting that the amount of UN and Euro "bashing" from the right in the US has been in direct correlation with US mistakes/problems in Iraq. No wonder that the Administrations propaganda machine at Fox News has been leading in this effort. The worse the problems in Iraq get, the more they are bashing the UN.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 December 30, 2004 QuoteFirst of all I find it in very poor taste to use the Tsunami situation to bash the UN and the French. Over 120000 people have been killed. In general it is an old political trick to divert peoples "frustrations" by bashing third parties. This strategy goes back to Machiavelli. By demonising either foreigners or certain groups within your own community you divert away from your own faults and channel frustrations towards others. I find it interesting that the amount of UN and Euro "bashing" from the right in the US has been in direct correlation with US mistakes/problems in Iraq. No wonder that the Administrations propaganda machine at Fox News has been leading in this effort. The worse the problems in Iraq get, the more they are bashing the UN. Oh come on - the oil for food comment was funny.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #31 December 30, 2004 QuoteNo wonder that the Administrations propaganda machine at Fox News has been leading in this effort. Pretty funny material mikkey, but I'd still call it "bashing". Is your form of bashing any better than anyone else's? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #32 December 30, 2004 QuoteFirst of all I find it in very poor taste to use the Tsunami situation to bash the UN and the French. Over 120000 people have been killed. Absolutely. This is no time to bash the UN! But it's always a good time to bash the French!! QuoteI find it interesting that the amount of UN and Euro "bashing" from the right in the US has been in direct correlation with US mistakes/problems in Iraq. No wonder that the Administrations propaganda machine at Fox News has been leading in this effort. The worse the problems in Iraq get, the more they are bashing the UN. Err... This was humour! Now that the fact have been resolved earlier in this thread, we return to our favourite sport of taking the pi$$ out of The French and (former) colonials... You know... Revolutionary terrorists, convicts, their descendants!!! Anyway. It's not ALL bad news. I did hear that a supertanker bound for Europe with 600,000 Tonnes of Fosters & Castelmaine XXXX was sunk in the disaster. They did try to control the spill but they found that they couldn't tell the difference between the cargo and the seawater! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkF 0 #33 December 30, 2004 QuoteAnyway. It's not ALL bad news. I did hear that a supertanker bound for Europe with 600,000 Tonnes of Fosters & Castelmaine XXXX was sunk in the disaster. They did try to control the spill but they found that they couldn't tell the difference between the cargo and the seawater! Hmmmmm since when has the sea been full of horse - or possibly sheep - piss ??? If you MUST drink Australian export beer drink Tooheys Old (New in a pinch) or if desperation sets in Crown or VB. For a great Australian beer give Coopers Vintage Extra Strong Ale a try. At 7.5% a slab'll make a mess of you though...As for the disaster. The US has a shitload more to offer than money and they ARE. The aid organisations are the ones who need the money which they can buy "stuff" with. Moving the "stuff" into areas where it's really needed needs BIG government help in the guise of ships, aircraft and etc. The French may not be donating much money but they ARE providing a HEAP of communications capability. This isn't the time to be questioning how much anyone, or any country, is or isn't donating. We ALL need to be pulling together and so far we are. Even the Aceh Seperatists are allowing people in for the first time in ages. Ooroo Mark F... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #34 December 30, 2004 "If you MUST drink Australian export beer..." QED! Here in Scotland we have proper beer... Warm, dark, and graded in Shillings (60/-, 70/-, 80/- 90/- etc...) If we REALLY want to drink Pilsner (lager) beer, then Plzen & Bavaria are only 90 minutes away on the plane!! What I REALLY want to see come out of this disaster is the early warning system they've talked about for 4 years. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sinkster 0 #35 December 31, 2004 QuoteQuoteDid someone mention"french bashing"? This morning, French President Chirac pledged one additional Euro to the disaster fund for every woman 's razor sold in Paris the next 30 days. LMAO. good one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3ringheathen 0 #36 December 31, 2004 QuoteQuote1. France has pledged 136,000 Euros. Isn't that about $20mil? I think your math is off just a tad, bro... I think that was a joke about the strength of the new European economy relative to the US. -Josh If you have time to panic, you have time to do something more productive. -Me* *Ron has accused me of plagiarizing this quote. He attributes it to Douglas Adams. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #37 December 31, 2004 QuoteI think that was a joke about the strength of the new European economy relative to the US. Please remain focused: FUCK THE FRENCH! (And yes, over $20M contributed so far, and in excess of $5M collected at local shops and retail stores). Carry on... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #38 December 31, 2004 Just to close this thread off, and to no one in particular - if you now look at the link i posted originally, someone at Fox has obviously realised the original mistake and has corrected it on that webpage. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #39 December 31, 2004 QuoteJust to close this thread off, and to no one in particular - if you now look at the link i posted originally, someone at Fox has obviously realised the original mistake and has corrected it on that webpage Sorry, I won't let it die quite yet! The UK has upped the ante to $96M, France to $56M, Canada $33M... No doubt the US will be in the hundreds when all is said and done. I just don't see the point of some people's argument (not aimed at you, Newbie), other than giving some of the usual Francophobes an oportunity to get their nipples hard! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #40 December 31, 2004 Quoteother than giving some of the usual Francophobes an oportunity to get their nipples hard! You act like that's not something that matters! What better reason could you come up with? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #41 December 31, 2004 QuoteFirst of all I find it in very poor taste to use the Tsunami situation to bash the UN and the French. Over 120000 people have been killed. How about the poor taste of the UN to claim that countries are being "stingy"? Quote find it interesting that the amount of UN and Euro "bashing" from the right in the US has been in direct correlation with US mistakes/problems in Iraq. No wonder that the Administrations propaganda machine at Fox News has been leading in this effort. The worse the problems in Iraq get, the more they are bashing the UN. And what you just wrote is also bashing....What are you trying to hide?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #42 December 31, 2004 QuoteHow about the poor taste of the UN to claim that countries are being "stingy"? Could you please direct me to the official UN publication that did this? Or are you referring to a single individual who worded something poorly in a language other than that of his native country and then recanted and appologized for that statement? One guy says something, you blame the entire UN. Yet you rabidly defend Bush and Rumsfeld against criticism of things they are directly responsible for. I'm sure the double standard is not lost on anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #43 December 31, 2004 QuoteOne guy says something, you blame the entire UN. Yet you rabidly defend Bush and Rumsfeld against criticism of things they are directly responsible for. I'm sure the double standard is not lost on anyone. The funny thing is you blame Bush for things he had no control over. That is a double standard."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 December 31, 2004 QuoteThe funny thing is you blame Bush for things he had no control over. That is a double standard. First, Bush is a person, not an entire organization. And second, I'm not talking about control, I'm talking about responsibility. There's a difference. And in any case, the United Nations did not have control OR resposibiliity over the wording of this guys phrase. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #45 December 31, 2004 QuoteFirst, Bush is a person, not an entire organization You Blame Bush for anything his organization does. Quotethe United Nations did not have control OR resposibiliity over the wording of this guys phrase. If Bush is resposible for something some one under him did or said, the the UN is responsible for what someone that works for them says. Pretty simple really."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #46 December 31, 2004 QuoteYou Blame Bush for anything his organization does. Right, I blame the man in charge who is responsible when the entity that he is in charge of does the wrong thing. I don't blame an entire organization, when one individual does something wrong. See the difference yet? QuoteIf Bush is resposible for something some one under him did or said, the the UN is responsible for what someone that works for them says. I've never blamed Bush or anyone else for an opinion expressed by another person, period. And again, how do you blame an entitiy? You don't. Yo place blame where it belongs, with the person in charge. If the UN does something wrong, blame the members who voted that way, or the whoever is in charge of that committee, not the entire organization. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #47 December 31, 2004 Quote. . . if you now look at the link i posted originally, someone at Fox has obviously realised the original mistake and has corrected it on that webpage. How is it obvious FOX made any mistakes? Perhaps they just changed the numbers as France (and other countries) upped their contributions. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #48 December 31, 2004 well i assumed it had been ineffective reporting of the facts, to go from $130,000+ less than 2 days ago, to over $20 million today. Thats not money raised, that's what the government has pledged. It could always be that the French govt DID say they were only going to send $130,000 odd, and then changed their mind and upped it by more than $20 million 48 hours later, i suppose. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #49 January 3, 2005 >How about the poor taste of the UN to claim that countries are being >"stingy"? ?? We were initially stingy. Not because we didn't want to help, but because (I believe) we did not understand the magnitude of the disaster. The UN understood a little more, which makes sense since the disaster did not hit the US, but did hit UN members. Thus the UN called the US stingy. We later increased our aid by an order of magnitude. So now we're not stingy any more. Whatever the cause/effect was, it worked. Given that the very first reaction by some people here was to slam the French for being stingy, and given that a majority of right-wing posters here spend a considerable amount of time commenting about how the UN is to be ignored, I can't take any outrage over an (at the time deserved) comment very seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #50 January 3, 2005 I just do not understand why it is so popular with the right in the US to slam the UN (and the Europeans) at every given opportunity. On the occassion when I turn into Fox News, I always note how they just focus so much on this. Some kind of campaign to divert the attention away from the foreign policy failures of the Bush administration?--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
