PhreeZone 20 #1 December 29, 2004 First the Washington governor count was considered too close to call and it triggered an automatic recount, then the Democrats paid for a manual hand recount that had them up by 130 votes (total times the votes have been counted now is 3 times). Now the GOP wants to see the voter registration lists to see just where did the votes change from republican to democrat. The vote will be certified this Thursday unless the republicans contest and pay for yet another recount. I seem to remember democrats being told to "Let it go" and to "quit crying" over the recount in FL. If a Democrat had said "Overwhelmingly, from the grass roots of the party, the feeling is 'Don't give up. Keep fighting," like the GOP did in WA the conservitivies on here would be having a field day... http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/28/washington.governor.ap/index.htmlYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #2 December 29, 2004 It's really annoying, and more than that, voting Republican up here is pointless and silly. They don't call it "The Cascade Curtain" for nothing. The heavily-populated, overwhelmingly-Democratic King County trumps everything else. Eastern WA might as well be another state. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #3 December 29, 2004 QuoteFirst the Washington governor count was considered too close to call and it triggered an automatic recount Ok fair. Quote Democrats paid for a manual hand recount that had them up by 130 votes OK. QuoteI seem to remember democrats being told to "Let it go" and to "quit crying" over the recount in FL Yes, they were told that, but did they do it? QuoteIf a Democrat had said "Overwhelmingly, from the grass roots of the party, the feeling is 'Don't give up. Keep fighting," like the GOP did in WA the conservitivies on here would be having a field day... Ya mean just like the Dems did in 2000? Look it seems that she won. Great, but are you saying that the Republicans don't have the right to question it? Cause while it seems clear she won fair, denying the right of due process in this case seems unfair. What would the media be like if the parties were reversed?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #4 December 29, 2004 QuoteIt's really annoying, and more than that, voting Republican up here is pointless and silly ??? If that close of a count seems pointless and silly, you are doomed to whatever the election yields and you shouldn't complain about it either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #5 December 29, 2004 So they counted three times and got three different totals.... The last total is for the DNC by a few votes and the first two counts were for the GOP... Now the GOP wants to know were the extra votes came from? The DNC should have let it go the first time after the second recount.... The vote is now so messed up it can never be "FAIR"... All it takes is to punch a hole in the ballots that the person did not vote for governor.... As someone who oversee the counting of ballots in my town, Not all people vote for every race... Thats why the machine vote is the fairest way to go.... Killer.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #6 December 29, 2004 QuoteI seem to remember democrats being told to "Let it go" and to "quit crying" over the recount in FL. If a Democrat had said "Overwhelmingly, from the grass roots of the party, the feeling is 'Don't give up. Keep fighting," like the GOP did in WA the conservitivies on here would be having a field day... Agreed. edit to remove name I never had a problem with the WA recount or any of the other recounts. I don't think that could be said of all the conservatives._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #7 December 29, 2004 The thing that bothers me is that they come up with different numbers each time they recount. I mean, come one, it's not rocket science. It's freakin' counting.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 December 29, 2004 Quote...With people like... Was there a reason you wanted to turn this into a personal argument? Why not just talk about the issues, rather than open fire on other people who post here?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #9 December 29, 2004 I just don't understand why after all these years we're seeing a rash of very very close elections. Wa state had approx 3 million voters and the final (maybe) spread was approx 150 votes. The new gov (maybe) is a women. Lucky for her (and me) my wife told me who to vote for. This post has nothing to do with politic's per se but what are the odds R.I.P. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
storm1977 0 #10 December 29, 2004 It maybe that for the most part the country has always been split on many issues, but now more people are involved in politics and more people vote. In the past many people maybe didn't feel the issues were important enough to affect them, so they didn't vote. There are stats on groups of people who always vote, and groups who tend not to vote. There may have been a dynamic shift among the population to cause more fense sitters to vote, ----------------------------------------------------- Sometimes it is more important to protect LIFE than Liberty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #11 December 29, 2004 QuoteQuote...With people like... Was there a reason you wanted to turn this into a personal argument? Why not just talk about the issues, rather than open fire on other people who post here? It wasn't to start an argument but to back up what Phree was saying. EVERY time a thread about a dem or any non-republican vote recount thread pops up in this forum you get post after post after post of conservatives telling you to STFU and move on. I know you have seen it a lot over the last year. What about the issues at that point? I don't see too many liberals raising a stink that someone wanted a recount and that the group that wanted it was republican._________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #12 December 29, 2004 QuoteThe thing that bothers me is that they come up with different numbers each time they recount. I mean, come one, it's not rocket science. It's freakin' counting. I have a big bucket of pennies you can count. I'd bet you a beer if you count them three times you would get three different results. Many counties here in WA still use the punch cards, those readers are known to have a pretty sizable error rate when compared to the margin of victory. How about we just make a rules that says whenever the election falls within the statistical margin of error, we let the winner of the superbowl decide who won? Would be more fun that way.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #13 December 29, 2004 QuoteI mean, come one, it's not rocket science. It's freakin' counting. Didn't you ever watch a rocket launch? They do that whole T minus 10 thing. Counting IS rocket science At least counting backwards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #14 December 29, 2004 The only part about that whole thing up there that irks me is they "suddenly" found ballots that should have been counted, but weren't for some reason or another. Let them recount...I don't live there.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #15 December 29, 2004 The whole "found" thing is a mis statement. The ballots were there, they had just been kicked out as rejects by the computer, and had been set aside. There always a lot of rejected ballots for one reason or other. The big dispute is over a bunch that were kicked out due to a database error. The ballots were legal, but were rejected due to a mistake. The argument over whether they should be counted in the final total goes on... How about we give Rossi and Gregoire each a single shot black powder pistol and let them settle it the old fashioned way. Maybe we'd get luck and they would both "win"illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vstar2001 0 #16 December 29, 2004 I have a big bucket of pennies you can count. I'd bet you a beer if you count them three times you would get three different results. Do I get to drink the beer before or after the counting..... maybe that's the prob, they drank BEFORE counting????I just am................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #17 December 29, 2004 Quote...It wasn't to start an argument but to back up what Phree was saying. My point was that you had started using the name of someone who hadn't even posted in this thread.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #18 December 29, 2004 QuoteQuote...It wasn't to start an argument but to back up what Phree was saying. My point was that you had started using the name of someone who hadn't even posted in this thread. name removed_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites