ahegeman 0 #76 January 3, 2005 QuoteYes, I do believe we should have a national healthcare system. It can work efficiently, much more so than our current system. Compare our healthcare to Cuba's, where everybody is covered, and expenses are higher due to economic sanctions. But, their infant motality rate is significantly lower, and they live longer. Just think, if not for the embargo, we could have a vaccine for menengitis. I guess the liberal media must have missed that story. My mother fled Cuba. She's been back there since to visit her family that stayed behind. You can take all the bogus statistics the Cuban government passes off, roll 'em up real tight, and smoke 'em. Try again, bucko. By the way, she's a reporter, too.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #77 January 3, 2005 Why? They have a better system, and everyone has access. It would be great to have access to healthcare.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #78 January 3, 2005 If you think that Cuba's biggest problem isn't the economic sanctions the U.S. has forced, you must be smoking something, which would, incidentally, be perfectly legal in a free country! Edit to add: I mispoke. Americans have an at birth life expectancy of about a year longer than Cubans. As for statitistics on Cuba, check out http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/cuba_statistics.html and http://www.canadacuba.ca/education/compare.php and check out the attachmentMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ahegeman 0 #79 January 3, 2005 QuoteIf you think that Cuba's biggest problem isn't the economic sanctions the U.S. has forced, you must be smoking something, which would, incidentally, be perfectly legal in a free country! Speaking of drugs, did you forget to take your Ritalin? Are you capable of staying on topic? We were talking about healthcare, remember? Not the Cuban embargo, and not drug legalization. This is an even greater waste of time than SC usually is. Adios.--------------------------------------------------------------- There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'. --Dave Barry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #80 January 3, 2005 If we can go from Rumsfeld's ghost of Christmas present to healthcare, drug legalization isn't much of a stretch.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #81 January 3, 2005 QuoteYes, I do believe we should have a national healthcare system. It can work efficiently, much more so than our current system. Compare our healthcare to Cuba's, where everybody is covered, and expenses are higher due to economic sanctions. But, their infant motality rate is significantly lower, and they live longer. one trip to the dmv or trying to talk with the irs for info should be a wake up call. I'll give you a phone number to a sky diving dentist that repairs dental work for people from england. He says the work there is so poor he can hardly believe it. NO thanks I do not want substandard dentist and doctors, where PC hirings take place over skill and talent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #82 January 3, 2005 QuoteThis is an even greater waste of time than SC usually is. Adios. I am getting a grasp on that concept as well . . . . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tf15 0 #83 January 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteIf you think that Cuba's biggest problem isn't the economic sanctions the U.S. has forced, you must be smoking something, which would, incidentally, be perfectly legal in a free country! Speaking of drugs, did you forget to take your Ritalin? Are you capable of staying on topic? . Oooooh! Treading the edge. Three times is enemy action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #84 January 3, 2005 I was in the DMV in the past week. In and out, five minutes. And that was near the end of the month. Just because something has been done poorly by one country does not mean another country cannot do it well. Many in this country have no access to healthcare.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #85 January 3, 2005 QuoteMany in this country have no access to healthcare. They get thrown out of the emergency room? Funny, haven't seen anything like that...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #86 January 3, 2005 QuoteQuoteMany in this country have no access to healthcare. They get thrown out of the emergency room? Funny, haven't seen anything like that... No, they aren't thrown out of emergency rooms. But they can't go in a drs office and they do get thrown out of hospital beds. Did you know that when averaged over a persons lifetime, it would be cheaper for them to get preventative health care than to treat those things that aren't prevented at the emergency room? Right now we all pay for that more expensive emergency room care. It would be cheaper for us, and healthier for them to get access to a doctor before they are in critical need. Strikes me as almost humane, as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #87 January 3, 2005 Not all medical needs are emergencies. Routine healthcare is not accessible to all.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vstar2001 0 #88 January 3, 2005 I sat here and read most of these comments on health care. I hear alot of whinning about no access, and money misallocated. It seems alot of people are point at everyone but themselves. This nation is on a whole obese, lazy and chronic tobacco abusers (and some druggies as well). If they stopped smoking, excerised, and maybe WORKED (yes, even at minimum wage) then alot of the health problems they whim about wouldn't have ever occured. The two biggest health care problems are 80% preventable. Diabetes ---- 80% diet controlled. Heart disease---diet controlled with exercise. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease---STOP SMOKING!!!!!I just am................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #89 January 3, 2005 QuoteI sat here and read most of these comments on health care. I hear alot of whinning about no access, and money misallocated. It seems alot of people are point at everyone but themselves. This nation is on a whole obese, lazy and chronic tobacco abusers (and some druggies as well). If they stopped smoking, excerised, and maybe WORKED (yes, even at minimum wage) then alot of the health problems they whim about wouldn't have ever occured. The two biggest health care problems are 80% preventable. Diabetes ---- 80% diet controlled. Heart disease---diet controlled with exercise. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease---STOP SMOKING!!!!! Amen. Do something for yourself. I'll gladly help those that try. I am not into supporting those to lazy to work for anything. I don't understand how people can be fat and not care, or smoke. Hell it was drilled into me that smoking will kill you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #90 January 3, 2005 Did you ever stop to think that maybe if people saw their doctor on a regular basis they'd eat more healthy, maybe get help quitting smoking and get on an exercise regimen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 January 3, 2005 They are pathetic if it takes a doctor to tell them to eat healthy, exercise and not smoke. If so, I doubt these example cases would have the fortitude to stick with it. Now treatment for conditions, like asthma or diabetes, etc. Sure, a doctor can help with that. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #92 January 3, 2005 QuoteThey are pathetic if it takes a doctor to tell them to eat healthy, exercise and not smoke. If so, I doubt these example cases would have the fortitude to stick with it. Or maybe uneducated, unaware, and unexposed to that information. Are you saying that anyone who ever gets a doctors help with their diet, weight or addiction is pathetic? How very big of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #93 January 3, 2005 Quote I sat here and read most of these comments on health care. I hear alot of whinning about no access, and money misallocated. It seems alot of people are point at everyone but themselves. This nation is on a whole obese, lazy and chronic tobacco abusers (and some druggies as well). If they stopped smoking, excerised, and maybe WORKED (yes, even at minimum wage) then alot of the health problems they whim about wouldn't have ever occured. The two biggest health care problems are 80% preventable. Diabetes ---- 80% diet controlled. Heart disease---diet controlled with exercise. Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease---STOP SMOKING!!!!! While I agree with most of what you say, I would like to raise a few points. A minimum wage job without health benefits (or that offers health benefits at a price that is cost prohibitive to anyone making minimum wage) is not going to do much for healthcare access. Second, healthy food is, as a rule, more expensive than less healthy food. I do not use tobacco, and am, if anything, underweight (due in part to my fear of obesity, which runs in my family). I also try to exercise, with moderate success, so as to maintain a semblance of good shape. Still, I have no access to healthcare, like millions of others.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #94 January 3, 2005 > They are pathetic if it takes a doctor to tell them to eat healthy, exercise and not smoke. I have a friend who is a dieticiain at a VA hospital. She seems to help a lot of vets eat healthier. I wouldn't call them pathetic; most are just uninformed. Some dietary stuff is not that obvious, like: the omega-3 benefits from eating fish what a glycemic index means to a borderline diabetic portion control vs most people's concept of what a diet is what foods contain fiber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #95 January 3, 2005 are you saying after 30 years of warnings on the sides of tobacco products that there is someone in the us that does not know that smoking is bad???? The same with eating fast food 10 times a week? If you treated skydiver the save way they would need a 2 aad's because the skydiver might not know he needs to pull? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #96 January 3, 2005 Quoteare you saying after 30 years of warnings on the sides of tobacco products that there is someone in the us that does not know that smoking is bad???? Nope. I'm saying some people have a hard time kicking an addiction that many say is worse than heroine. Doctors can help with that. I don't consider people who seek help for an addiction to be pathetic. QuoteThe same with eating fast food 10 times a week? There are a whole lot of obese people who don't eat fast food 10 times a week. Hell, I'm a little overweight and the most fast food I eat is a chicken sandwich and salad from Wendy's maybe once a month. Some people have medical problems, others have mental health issues that contribute to their weight problems. I don't consider people that go to a doctor for treatment of those problems to be pathetic. And guess what. Some people are dumb or illiterate. That doesn't make them pathetic. QuoteIf you treated skydiver the save way they would need a 2 aad's because the skydiver might not know he needs to pull? Gee, we have training for skydiving, don't we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #97 January 3, 2005 > are you saying after 30 years of warnings on the sides of tobacco > products that there is someone in the us that does not know that > smoking is bad???? Those warnings used to mean something. Nowadays helmets, baseball bats, jumper cables and extension cords have longer (and often more dire) warnings on them. Heck, lots of people pretty much ignore the skydiving waivers; they just sign and sign as fast as they can. And that's a legal document you are required to sign! >If you treated skydiver the save way they would need a 2 aad's >because the skydiver might not know he needs to pull? If we treated skydivers the same way we'd have multi-page waivers, rules requiring specific training and equipment and people whose job it was to ground people who do stupid things. Hey! Wait a minute . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #98 January 4, 2005 QuoteThose warnings used to mean something. Nowadays helmets, baseball bats, jumper cables and extension cords have longer (and often more dire) warnings on them. Heck, lots of people pretty much ignore the skydiving waivers; they just sign and sign as fast as they can. And that's a legal document you are required to sign! really comes down to personal responsibility. The right wants to treat them as adults and hold them accountable and seems as the left want to treat them as kids and treat them as victims. The warnings are there, you choose to heed or not to heed them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #99 January 4, 2005 jcd11235, ahegeman, Consider yourselves warned. Please try to discuss the topic without resorting to bashing other posters. Quote...you must be smoking something... QuoteSpeaking of drugs, did you forget to take your Ritalin?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #100 January 4, 2005 Quote I have no access to healthcare, like millions of others. You choose not to have health care. You could drop out of school and get a full time job with healthcare. Just like A friend of mine decided not to sign up and then whined about his broken foot. I am not saying I do not understand why you are going to school just that you are not stuck. Asking me joe tax payer to cover you is not right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
